"Whale Wars"

[Sarapva]

A production crew from Animal Planet (a U.S. TV network) has been aboard the Steve Irwin and documenting the whole campaign with TV cameras. They're going to call it "Whale Wars" and will air it on the Animal Planet network this fall. I don't know if it will be international or not, but I'm sure after it's out it will be on DVD.

Sea Shepherd has had an independent film crew onboard, filming on behalf of Animal Planet, since the beginning of the campaign. In a statement issued today from Silver Springs, Maryland, the network said: ﾂ"The events that have taken place were all captured by Animal Planet's producers and will be presented through the documentary series WHALE WARS, slated for U.S. broadcast this fall. Animal Planet is thankful that all parties to these conflicts over the last three months to-date are safe and unharmed. The network will showcase these events with a strong journalistic lens that spotlights this global conservation issue that has several nations at odds over the practice of whaling in oceanic territories.ﾂ"

http://www.seashepherd.org/news/media_080308_1.html

 

[Mars Man]

I think it would be very interesting to see that. I would hope, by all means, that it would be fully and completely fair and balanced...but have a bit of a small gut feeling that it might not quite be as much so as possible.

The reason I say that, is because of a paradox that has seem to have arisen in all of this...really interesting. (which I may one day open a thread on in Serious Discussions) A clue to that paradox, actually, can be seen here in Sarapva's signature quote.

I look forward to seeing the documentary. Of course, the Japanese vessels have their camera crews too.

 

[Sarapva]

I think I see what you mean, Mars Man! Yes, I guess it's a paradox, though the Steve Irwin crew hasn't hurt anyone. But yes, it would be interesting to see both sides. Maybe the Japanese crew will make a film too. It would probably be very educational to see both films together (one from the Sea Shepherd's perspective and the other from the whalers' perspective).

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

I would look forward to seeing programs/films on whaling which are really not biased, or if they are biased, are equally biased. Few people seem to be presenting facts on whaling which do not represent propaganda for their cause/point of view.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Freezer VS Japanese whaling

 

[Mars Man]

I got a bit of a laugh out of that...and appreciate the comic relief effect there...

Let's hope the documentaries give all the stats and pertinent information.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

I got a bit of a laugh out of that...and appreciate the comic relief effect there...
Let's hope the documentaries give all the stats and pertinent information.

Because I heard that it was war,
I think whether it is not such an image.

 

[caster51]

Sea Shepherd vs. Japanese whaling ship

Message to Australia (Part 3of 3 Final)

Truth about Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace

whaling:the message from animals

 

[Mars Man]

窶堋?窶堙ｩﾋ?凪?督｡窶堙 war 窶堙債静ｭ窶侏??堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶堙冷?堙や?堙戸?凪?督｡窶堙??堙坂?堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶慊ｯﾋ?凪?堋ｵ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ、窶堋ｩ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｭ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙懌?堙ｨ窶堙凪?堋ｭ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋｢窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ 窶堋ｻ窶堋､ﾅ陳ｾ窶堋､窶堙??堙ｨ窶｢ﾃｻ窶堙??堙??堙≫?堋ｽﾂ。ﾂ 窶堋ｻ窶堙娯?堙??堙ｨ窶｢ﾃｻ窶堙??堙債、窶堋ｻ窶堙姑但ﾆ男ﾆ陳≫?堙坂?堋ｿ窶堙･窶堙≫?堙??堙ｭ窶堙ｧ窶堋ｶ窶堙｡窶堙≫?堋ｽﾂ・ﾂ・ﾂ・窶堙｢窶堙≫?堙鞘?愬｡窶堋ｦ窶堙坂?堙??堙遺?堋｢ﾂ・ﾂ・ﾂ・

In one meaning, 'war' means war, but, in different meaning, it means simply not agreeing, so...it is without taking it too deeply, or heavily. In that way of understanding, the cartoon made me laugh a little...as we know, there's no clear cut answer anyway...

It was kind of funny....thanks for sharing !!

 

[caster51]

In one meaning, 'war' means war, but, in different meaning, it means simply not agreeing, so...it is without taking it too deeply, or heavily. In that way of understanding, the cartoon made me laugh a little...as we know, there's no clear cut answer anyway...
It was kind of funny....thanks for sharing !!

I think it is a kind of information war.
and emotion with violence vs logic.
also western media VS the Japanese petty bourgeois

 

[Mars Man]

That could be right, caster51 san, but then again, who knows. Let's wait and see what the documentary turns out to be. For the meantime, however, this thread is primarily about that future release.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

Freezer VS Japanese whaling

Good stuff .

Seriously though, i didn't know the Americans hunted whales- is this true?

 

[MadamePapillon]

Freezer VS Japanese whaling

Lol, that was waaay over the top. Sadly one sided, though.

 

[Sarapva]

Good stuff .
Seriously though, i didn't know the Americans hunted whales- is this true?

Only the native Eskimos in Alaska hunt whales in the U.S. under subsistence hunting, like the aborigines in Australia.

 

[hanachan]

Only the native Eskimos in Alaska hunt whales in the U.S. under subsistence hunting, like the aborigines in Australia.

The native Eskimos are also American citizens, right?
The answer is true, Tokis-Phoenix. Yes, Americans hunt whales.

Sarapva,
Why do you use "hunt whales" instead of "kill whales"? You always say "Japanese kill whales".
You know Americans hunt whales.
Why aren't you Crying Out "Don't kill Whales", In the Center of the US?

 

[Mars Man]

I suggest we keep to the topic of the OP, without going off on other angles at the moment. You might want to ask the question privately, hanachan, if it's something you'd really like information on.

Mars Man

 

[MadamePapillon]

@hanachan

While traditional Eskimos are "technically" American citizens they aren't actually American American. If you get the meaning.
They are American in the same way that forest tribes in South America are considered 'Brazilian', the name is really only given because they happen to live on the same land. It's hard to explain but they don't really play by the same rules as the rest of the country and because they do everything on a very small scale, being few in numbers and usually using traditional methods, nobody protests.

 

[pipokun]

The hypocrisy of Sea Shepherd is that it does not say anything on the whaling in oil-producing Alaskan whaling, but it condemns J whaling, native Canadian's seal hunting, or non-Alaskan native American request of whaling as immoral activities.

If the program covered the hypocrisy, I would love to buy the DVD.

 

[kame]

@Hanachan
While traditional Eskimos are "technically" American citizens they aren't actually American American. If you get the meaning.
They are American in the same way that forest tribes in South America are considered 'Brazilian', the name is really only given because they happen to live on the same land. It's hard to explain but they don't really play by the same rules as the rest of the country and because they do everything on a very small scale, being few in numbers and usually using traditional methods, nobody protests.

I wonder how people who base their opposition against whaling on "inhumane" or "cruel" methods to kill whales look at "traditional" whaling. Surely, "traditional" methods to kill whales can't be any less cruel than the modern methods. That would make a better documentary than filming a bunch of juvinille pseudo-environmentalists throwing glass bottles.

Anyway, the presence of a film crew further illustrates the commercialism of the eco-terrorist group. If not compensated directly by the TV production, they will collect a lot of donations based on the media exposure. That's their business model.

 

[Sarapva]

The native Eskimos are also American citizens, right?
The answer is true, Tokis-Phoenix. Yes, Americans hunt whales.

Sarapva,
Why do you use "hunt whales" instead of "kill whales"? You always say "Japanese kill whales".
You know Americans hunt whales.
Why aren't you Crying Out "Don't kill Whales", In the Center of the US?

MadamePapillon described the situation pretty well. I doubt that the native Eskimos even think of themselves as American, and they certainly don't live the way the main population of Americans do. Although I don't agree with anyone killing whales, I wouldn't protest a group's hunting to stay alive. Traditional methods of hunting whales probably are less humane than the more modern methods. But the Eskimos only hunt around 50 whales a year for survival. That's different from hundreds of whales for science or to sell.

Sorry about going off topic here. Maybe the documentary will cover some of these issues. It will be interesting to see if it gives different perspectives.

 

[mynumerologist]

numerology for Whale Wars

edpetersonnumerology.com/2010/08/14/numerology-for-whale-wars-comprehensive/

22,315 words and growing...

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

"While traditional Eskimos are "technically" American citizens they aren't actually American American. If you get the meaning."

They vote, serve on juries, fly in airplanes, drive in autos, send and receive US mail, watch TV, and even post on internet forums. Their villages and towns have mayors and city councils. They lobby the Alaska legislature and US Congress.

They may have dual self-identities (Eskimo and American), but you can't call their citizenship just a technicality.

 

[Nuala]

Eskimos don't build gigantic slaughter ships, sail to an international whale sanctuary, lie about performing scientific research, slaughter hundreds of whales a year, and then sell the meat on the market.

I think there's a difference between Eskimos and the wholesale slaughter the Japanese whaling fleet performs. Then again, will anyone who doesn't mind whales being killed/eaten acknowledge the difference? No accountability, so this discussion is tediously never-ending.

 

[FrustratedDave]

The whole world is ****** up, who is right?

 

[Nuala]

The whole world is ****** up, who is right?

The people not committing wholesale slaughter under the pretense of scientific research in an international whale sanctuary.