September 11th true or false?

[Mycernius]

He doesn't live in the US, he lives in Norway. I doubt very much, given the type of posts he has put up in the past, that he would even want to go to the US.

 

[Pachipro]

All i know is that if you believe 9/11 to be an inside job, and you live in the U.S., you should be leaving the country/ making serious plans to. This is not an irrational stance. If you believe the government is willing to kill thousands of its own people, and destroy hundreds of millions of dollars of property and businesses in order to garner support for a war, or what have you, then WHAT MAKES YOU SAFE? if this is the case, YOU ARE NOT SAFE, and you should not be living in this country.

The truth be told, we ARE NOT safe anymore.

The same can be said of Pearl Harbor and the US getting into WW II. They knew the Japanese would attack and goaded them into it in order to get us into the War to help England as Roosevelt ran on the campaign promise that, "If elected, I will never send your sons to war in Europe".

Like 911, the day after Pearl Harbor all Americans were willing to go to war which is what they knew would happen. Google it if you do not believe me. The writings of Roosevelt, his cabinet, the military personnel, etc are all out there for now.

If you do your research you will discover on Project for a New American Century that, in order for us to go to war with Iraq, with the full support of the American people, it was written that their must be a "Pearl Harbor type of event" where the American people would be all for invading Iraq and fighting in the Middle East. If you're really interested in the quote, you'll search the site or google it yourself. It's there, in black and white. Those that do their own research will discover the truth. For now.

 

[Mariat_San]

There is tons and tons of documentaries, books, information about the 9/11 lie in the alternative media, web pages. As people start to snap out of their coma. Its about time they do. They will realize that they have been manipulated and lied to.

I very do agree with your opinion.
I'm really conviced, that the whole thing stings up to heaven.

but... as sad it is, I don't think the most people will realize. The brainwashing endured for too long. And if they do; what are they supposed to do?

 

[centrajapan]

PNAC wrote in their blueprint that they would need a new Pearl Harbour to fullfill their plan on global domination. You have to have a sick mind to write that USA needed a New Pearl Harbour.

The people who were members of PNAC are for the most part members in the Bush Administration. People like Cheney, Rumsfeld. They all were members of PNAC. YOu can go to their web page and see who are members.

Not only US but we all are doomed. EU is following in the path of US with surveillence, censorship etc. We are losining liberties as fast as the collapse of the buildings on 9/11.

 

[centrajapan]

What is true is that the official story of 9/11 given to us by the US government is false.

 

[Haruspex]

What is true is that the official story of 9/11 given to us by the US government is false.

Yes... and did you all know that the USA is the codename of Satan?
You didn't? Well i'll tell you:
U, when cracking hypersuperubersecret codes and stuff can mean N, while S stands for TA in the dictionary of megasecretsuperconspiracies, and A means SA in Rottenspeak, the official language of Illuminati, Freemasons, Cathars, Hermetic Mages, Vampires, Werewolves etc.

Either learn to add: "in my opinion", "i think" or refrain from posting uncertain facts.

 

[centrajapan]

Or you can believe that US was one day out of the blue attacked by a group of terrorists with box cutter knives and that 3 buildings collapsed though 1 of the building was never hit by an airplane. That the air system comletely failed that day and that one of the airplanes vaporised when hitting the Pentagon.

The occult symbolism used by Illuminati and for instance the Dollar Bill or whatever is a fact.

What US is saying is not a fact.

At Least 7 of the 9/11
Hijackers are Still Alive

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html

US and its media even said that they found Mohammed Atta's passport. They wanted make people believe that the fire which was supposedly hot enough to make steel melt yet not hot enough to burn a passport.

 

[sabro]

Or you can believe that US was one day out of the blue attacked by a group of terrorists with box cutter knives and that 3 buildings collapsed though 1 of the building was never hit by an airplane. That the air system comletely failed that day and that one of the airplanes vaporised when hitting the Pentagon.
The occult symbolism used by Illuminati and for instance the Dollar Bill or whatever is a fact.

You know... the US, was one day out of the blue attacked by a group of terrorists with box cutter knives... they planned and executed an attack that was brutal, and that went around the basic assumptions that we accept about hijackers and civilized behavior. With rudimentary skills they murdered over 3000 innocent people.

3 buildings collapsed and four others were damaged. The third was at the foot of two of the tallest in the world and shared a foundation. When billions of tons of flaming wreckage falls into your basement and through your walls and roof, sometimes it doesn't leave enough support to keep your building standing.

Check the pictures and security footage... that shows the plane hitting... of the pentagon being hit. There is clearly aircraft wreckage... clearly a landing gear assembly... pieces of wings and engines outside the building. Over 80% of that plane was recovered...

 

[Haruspex]

You know... the US, was one day out of the blue attacked by a group of terrorists with box cutter knives... they planned and executed an attack that was brutal, and that went around the basic assumptions that we accept about hijackers and civilized behavior. With rudimentary skills they murdered over 3000 innocent people.
3 buildings collapsed and four others were damaged. The third was at the foot of two of the tallest in the world and shared a foundation. When billions of tons of flaming wreckage falls into your basement and through your walls and roof, sometimes it doesn't leave enough support to keep your building standing.
Check the pictures and security footage... that shows the plane hitting... of the pentagon being hit. There is clearly aircraft wreckage... clearly a landing gear assembly... pieces of wings and engines outside the building. Over 80% of that plane was recovered...

That makes no sense. When there is clear evidence, it is impossible for it to be true. I mean, life is like a Conan Doyle novel, you know, its like Sherlock Holmes, the thing you least expect is always the truth. There is no valid proof of any sort of nasty plan, but thats exactly why there must be one. Also, we're talking about the USA, who btw have a contract with Satan, so it should be obvious that the USA diet is to blame.
Valid facts are for sissies!

 

[sabro]

Derfel, you have exposed me for the US Government shill that I am! I am indeed a protector of the conspiracy!

Damned Occam's Razor! It is obvious that the simplest explanation is just TOO simple to be believed! The genius of the whole conspiracy astounds me!

If it wasn't for you blasted kids and that darned DOG!

 

[centrajapan]

Also, we're talking about the USA, who btw have a contract with Satan, so it should be obvious that the USA diet is to blame.

The US is a Freemasonary inspired country. Why does the US Dollar Bill even have a Egyptian Pyramid on it? USA does not have any pyramids. This comes from occult symbolism. This is not a conspiracy.

Valid facts are for sissies!

Maybe you should look into some of the facts. Such as how US found a passport among the debris. How many of the hijackers are still alive. How 3 buildings collapsed due to jet fuel fire when no building has ever collapsed before or after 9/11 due to jet fuel fire. How witnesses heard explosions in the basement of the Twin Towers before the plane crashing into the towers.

 

[sabro]

The US has many pyramids. San Francisco. Las Vegas. Long Beach... I've seen them.

How many buildings have been hit by jumbo jets since 9/11? Are you saying that jet fuel fires can't collapse buildings?

I don't know any witnesses that heard explosions in the basement. Besides, that isn't how the building collapsed any way, look at the footage of the collapse. They clearly come down beginning at the floors that were hit.

 

[Haruspex]

The US is a Freemasonary inspired country. Why does the US Dollar Bill even have a Egyptian Pyramid on it? USA does not have any pyramids. This comes from occult symbolism. This is not a conspiracy.
Maybe you should look into some of the facts. Such as how US found a passport among the debris. How many of the hijackers are still alive. How 3 buildings collapsed due to jet fuel fire when no building has ever collapsed before or after 9/11 due to jet fuel fire. How witnesses heard explosions in the basement of the Twin Towers before the plane crashing into the towers.

There is no one denying the existence of masons... however, you can't draw a line between their existence and some hocuspocus theory just because they exist. I mean imagine. Your dog gets killed yeah? You know that there are cults of satanist kids who sacrifice animals... but when say, the blue cross doctor or whoever checks the carcass, and tells you that the dog died of starvation, you don't assume that the cult killed the dog by manipulating you so you can't feed it, right? I mean, hey, are you going to accuse masons for causing natural catastrophes next?

 

[sabro]

Is that what happened to Beauregaurd? Danged Masons!!!!

 

[centrajapan]

The US has many pyramids. San Francisco. Las Vegas. Long Beach... I've seen them.

Which are inspired by Illuminati. There is one in Paris too.

How many buildings have been hit by jumbo jets since 9/11? Are you saying that jet fuel fires can't collapse buildings?

Yes. Fire is not hot enough to melt steel.

I don't know any witnesses that heard explosions in the basement.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=7762

Google William Rodriguez.

Here is the google seacrh for William Rodriguez.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Will...ox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7PCTA

 

[sabro]

There are pyramids in the US. Steel is melted with fire every day. Explosions in the "basement" of the twin towers is an unfounded myth.

 

[centrajapan]

9/11 Survivor Questions Official Story on local Fox News



Fire which melts steel dont give out lots of smoke. On 9/11 the fire gave out lots of smoke.

 

[sabro]

The discovery channel had a great program on why the towers collapsed. Nice computer graphics, too.

Now, whenever I see exposed steel beams with that spray on insulation, I always see what kind of condition it is in. That insulation is pretty important stuff in a fire. (Fire melts steel, you know.)

Burning towers filled with people, jet fuel, carpeting, wiring and other materials puts out lots of smoke. And it does get hot enough to weaken the connections that held the floors together in that type of construction, especially when the insulation has been blasted away by the impact of a plane. We saw it on 9/11.

 

[centrajapan]

You could be right. sabro-san. I have seen documentaries which support your theory and I have seen documentaries not supporting your theories.

Now that we have so much access to different information I find it to be very confusing. On that youtube link that I put. Here is one of the survivors from 9/11 William Rodriguez on FOX news which is very concervative saying that the official 9/11 story is not true.

Is William Rodriguez lying or is the US government lying?

 

[centrajapan]

Member of Japanese Diet Doubts Official 9/11 Fairy Tale

He asked whether Terrorism is crime or war. Some Japanese people were killed, so he believes this was a crime, so Japanese police should investigate the real suspect even though Japanese government assumed that the suspect was Al-Queda since Bush told Koizumi so and sent the self-defense force to Iraq. Can Japanese police arrest president Bush if he was one of the suspects?

Alex Jones' Endgame

 

[sabro]

It is possible that William Rodriguez is lying. It is also possible that he is simply mistaken. Being in a building that has just been struck by a plane and witnessing the murder of over 3000 people is traumatic. Nothing in his statements explains away what millions of us saw watching live TV. We saw the second plane hit. We saw the buildings burn. We watched them collapse. It is apparent to me that both buildings were struck by planes, that they caught fire due to the impacts, and then collapsed due to the fire and impact damage. There seems to be no reliable evidence of "basement" explosions... or some controlled demolition.

The "official" version... the one most often spoken of, is the most convincing, reasonable, simplest, most direct explanation. I spoke of Occem's razor and of looking for horses when you see hoof prints. This is the kind of preponderance of evidence that would support the official version. It appears to have the physical evidence and eye witness support, along with the support of so-call experts, of the 9-11 commission, of the press at large, of engineers and scientists... and it really doesn't take all that much imagination at all to believe.

Members of the Japanese Diet can be mistaken also. People believe in UFO's, psychic powers, Uri Geller, Aliens, bigfoot... and all kinds of unsupported nonsense. It doesn't mean that these things aren't "true"... just that they are unsupported by the evidence and are unlikely to be true. It doesn't mean that there isn't some shady uber-conspiracy... it just means that the proof would be yours to provide... and you have not remotely even begun to do this. I suppose they can arrest George Bush if there is ample evidence that he has committed a crime.

 

[LongCountdown]

CentraJapan, I share your thinking. Scientists, engineers, architects and even the Democratic Party of Japan agree with you. Sadly, most people refuse to put aside their emotions and look objectively at the material you've presented.
More Japanese people were killed on 9/11 than in the Tokyo Sarin attacks, and we should be demanding answers, which is what Councilor Fujita was doing in the Japanese Diet. He questioned the basis for the "War on Terror" which has led to Japan supplying the US with fuel in the Indian Ocean, and all foreigners being fingerprinted when entering Japan.

 

[Haruspex]

Sadly, most people refuse to put aside their emotions and look objectively at the material you've presented

You shouldn't give advices that you yourself can't keep.
Your words below make it sound almost as if it was mainly a Japanese tragedy and not American. Sure, its sad that Japanese people died there, but really, who died in majority? Now you're demanding answer from those who suffered most.
When you're talking about a cool head and putting aside emotions don't go around throwing big words left and right. The below quote reeks on scarred pride and security. America is causing unrest because of war on terror, true, but terrorists are the ones to blame.
And you can put whatever you wish aside, when there is no proof of such a conspiracy, simply agreeing won't prove anything. Scraps of information can't prove anything. Information from the internet does not prove anything either. Media is unreliable as hell, but internet has even more BS.

More Japanese people were killed on 9/11 than in the Tokyo Sarin attacks, and we should be demanding answers, which is what Councilor Fujita was doing in the Japanese Diet. He questioned the basis for the "War on Terror" which has led to Japan supplying the US with fuel in the Indian Ocean, and all foreigners being fingerprinted when entering Japan.

 

[Pachipro]

.....when there is no proof of such a conspiracy, simply agreeing won't prove anything. Scraps of information can't prove anything. Information from the internet does not prove anything either. Media is unreliable as hell, but internet has even more BS.

What proof are you talking about? The media? HA! The internet may have BS, but the media has more. If you look hard enough, you'll find enough credible evidence to make the 911 commission look like a fairy tale.

 

[Haruspex]

What proof are you talking about? The media? HA! The internet may have BS, but the media has more. If you look hard enough, you'll find enough credible evidence to make the 911 commission look like a fairy tale.

Its a neither nor situation. The official explanation is accepted as true generally. As long as you can't prove it, there's no conspiracy. Since we can't trust the media, and we can't trust the internet either, and we can't trust pretty much any source its safe to assume that:
a, the official explanation is correct.
b, by the time the opposite is proven the matter will be history, so say, in 15-20 years?

Its really like this: You can't prove it, they needn't.