September 11th true or false?

They got the entire world to believe that a ragtag organization called Al Qaeda, fronted by a seriously ill guy in a cave armed with only a laptop and a phone, managed to orchestrate an unbelievably complex plan that had involved years of planning and training, much money, split-second timing and ridiculously good luck.


They got the entire world to believe that four hijackers who couldn't fly single-engine Cessnas well enough to graduate from flight school suddenly became the Blue Angels when at the controls of large, twin-engine Boeing jetliners, and this during the most stressful moments of their short lives.

So why is NATO waging war against Afghanistan and Iraq again?


They got the entire world to believe that the crime of the century was pulled off by 19 guys with box-cutters whose names (or any other Arabic names) don't appear on any passenger manifests and at least four of whom have been seen alive and well in the Middle East since 9/11/01, (this one even interviewed by the BBC).

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Better yet, they got the entire world to believe their evidence linking these 19 guys to the hijackings, using for proof a few cell phone calls that couldn't have happened with 2001 technology. Then there's the famous carry-on bag supposedly left behind by alleged ringleader Mohammed Atta containing, among other things, a copy of the Koran, a Boeing flight manual and his will (and that's surely something you'd take with you on a flight you knew was going to be vaporized). And then the kicker, a passport allegedly belonging to Atta that miraculously survived a massive explosion and temperatures we're told were high enough to soften steel and fluttered unsullied to the ground, where it was eventually found among the debris a couple of blocks away from what used to be the World Trade Center.


They got the entire world to believe that the seriously ill guy in the cave had such vast control over US armed forces that he ordered four exercise scenarios -- Vigilant Warrior, Vigilant Guardian, Northern Guardian and Northern Vigilance -- which diverted to northern Canada or Alaska many of the NORAD fighter jets that would have been scrambled per standard operating procedure in the event of a suspected hijacking in the northeast corridor.


They got the entire world to believe that this same guy in the cave was able to insert at least 11 and as many as 21 false radar blips (according to FAA administrator Jane Garvey) onto air traffic controller screens throughout the northeast corridor. As a result, controllers had no idea which blips represented planes that had been hijacked, which ones represented non-hijacked flights still in the air and which blips were phantoms. They were thus incapable of following the actual moves of the four hijacked jets and/or coordinating with the FAA to relay warnings to NORAD interceptors (most of which, again, were screwing around over the arctic wastes).


They got the entire world to believe that the remaining NORAD forces -- which had been a perfect 67 for 67 in 2001 prior to 9/11 -- managed to fail completely in their missions four separate times that morning.


They got the entire world to believe that it was only a coincidence that a fifth exercise was taking place at the same time, this one designed to test emergency response capabilities at the National Reconnaissance Office in the event that an off-course plane from nearby Dulles airport crashed into one of the NRO's four office towers.


They got the entire world to believe that two planes took down three skyscrapers, WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7, and that for the first and only time in history, fire brought down reinforced steel and concrete structures and caused them to collapse vertically rather than keel over sideways and take out a few blocks of the New York City financial district.


They got the entire world to absolve them of any complicity in "the events of 9/11," even though the above list of "coincidences" is inexplicable without the knowledge, involvement, approval and direction of people high up in the federal food chain.

And that was only the beginning . . .


http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2818.shtml

I think what speaks in Bushs favour is that this guy has proven to be so incompitent that it would be hard to believe that a guy like him would be able to pull a stunt like he did.

If it was Bin Laden a man up in the caves in Afghanistan then atleast you would have thought that he was wanted for the attacks on September 11th. But he isnt.

So basically. US got attacked on September 11 and waged war on 2 countries and have yet not been able to find out who was behind it. From echoing We want him dead or alive. They dont like freedom to well he is not any interest, to well we can not prove that he was behind the attacks after all.
 
In the "Demolitions Uncut" video it is convincing that the towers fell the way they would only by an implosion. And people who were near the towers said they heard explosions from the basement. I still need to watch the rest of that.
 
For me the thing which made me question 9-11 is because there was the third building which collapsed. And that building was not hit by an airplane. Then you question so if fire melted steel. Eventhough fire in itself can not melt steel or make steel softer. It has be to be some super fire then. If it was a super fire. There are many steel frames. Not just one or two but many and all the steel frames gave away all at the exact same time... ? Not likely.

Police officers, recue workers when they entered Twin Towers the windows were blown out in the first floor. This has been completely ignored in the official report.
 
The war on terror. US gets attacked by Bin Laden. Bin Laden and the Bush families have a personal relation and are business partners. US flies the Bin Laden family out of USA right after 9/11 while no other planes can fly in or out of USA. Bush then rallies we want him dead or alive. They carpet bomb Afghanistan and n the after math they found out that they missed the target. Question. How can you cluster bomb and not hit target? US to this day has still not been able to come with hard evidence that it was Bin Laden after all. 3 buildings collapsed after being crashed by 2 jets though the 2 towers were designed to take an impact from airplanes.

In the mean time US has turned into a semi Gestapo state where they go around the world kidnappng people.

Can US be that stupid?
 
I'd never seen before what was in the "Demolitions" video about how people who worked at the Trade Center and survived said that three weeks before 9/11 there was a "blackout" at the WTC for a whole weekend - all the electricity and everything was off, meaning there was no security and anyone could get in the buildings. Some workers were going in with cable, which they said was to upgrade computers and things, but some believe it could have been cable used in demolitions for steel buildings.

Then a couple of people said that about a week before 9/11 they heard thumping and moving around on floors that were empty, then saw lots of dust on the window sills. They'd heard drilling noises, and the idea is that they could have been drilling to put explosives in the walls like they would for a demolition, because when someone looked on that floor there was nothing on it. In the views of the towers collapsing there are what look like small explosions on the sides.

Not saying I think either way here yet - still just thinking about it. But there do seem to be a lot of people who were there that day who heard explosions and saw things that we don't hear in the news.
 
Not saying I think either way here yet - still just thinking about it. But there do seem to be a lot of people who were there that day who heard explosions and saw things that we don't hear in the news.
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The best way to get rid off uncertanties is to get a new investigation. This current US administratipn has been absolutely disasterous. So has the official investigation been.

While it is quite a jump to blame the US government for the respnsibilities of 911 what is quite certain by the looks of things is that there were bombs planted.

Japanese politicians in the parlament is questioning 9-11. Its time American politicians do too. Aswell as other people.



This politician is tearing the parlament and stating the implosions. Who is this guy? This guy is speaking the truth. He is talking about the bombs which went off in the Twin Towers and he is stating the fact that an another building WTC7 collapsed without getting hit by an airplane and the inside trade prior to 9-11 or the Put Options.



The FEMA report does not mention anything about WTC7.

Just the fact that there is a discussion about 9-11 in the Japanese parlament means that they are on the right track.
 
The same politician is asking. How can such a large plane only make such a small hole in the Pentagon? The flying route of the plane to Pentagon. This has been on the main stream news in Japan recently. About time.


Please watch Loose Change.

 
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This series of videos. Links above. Japanese politicians in Japan questioning their own prime minister for over 30 minutes concerning what really happened on 9/11. They ask Was Al-Qaeda the real culpit? They delve into the collapse of building 7, discuss insider trading and debate the attack on the Pentagon.



The popular name of Al Qaida is Al Ciada. This is quite a common term used in various circles.
 
Everybody's gotta learn some time about The Great Conspiracy.

So now we have Japanese politicians discussing 9-11 in the Diet. Here are a few more links I urge people to watch. To start to realize that Twin Towers were blown to pieces by dynamite and did not collapse due to fire. The various governments not only in US but UK and also Japan is creating a terrifying threat - hydra-like, secretive, evil, This is a very old trick. The Nazis spread the fear of "global conspiracy of world Jewry", while stripping their citizens of liberties. This is what is happening in especially USA but also in other parts of the world. The global terrorist conspiracy. This legitimizes US to invade Afghanistan, Iraq and now possibly Iran and this legitimizes the Japanese government to treat every non Japanese individual who sets foot in Japan as a criminal. US now has a prison system outside of criminal law. The US government can arrest anyone they like whenever they like. This in return is making more and moer Americans scared to speak out.

To be able to understand some questions which the US and the various governments never asked.

September 11th Revisited is perhaps the most riveting film ever made about the destruction of the World Trade Center. This is a powerful ... all » documentary which features eyewitness accounts and archived news footage that was shot on September 11

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4194796183168750014&q=september+11th+revisited

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4026073566596731782&q=improbable+collapse

Using their own video and words, "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" aims to point out ... all » not only the bad science used in the film, but also the several accounts of lying, quote mining, tricky editing and strawman arguments.
NOTE: There may be some grammatical errors in this video. Everything was spell-checked but I can't promise anything

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6243624912447824934&q=SCREW+9/11+MYSTERIES&hl=en

What's The Truth? We should'nt need to ask these questions, we should know the truth. This film highlights the strong possibility that the Twin Towers and ... all » Building 7 might have been brought down, not by fire, but by controlled demolition

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8076200333701191665&q=what's+the+truth

The greatest fear is fear itself.
 
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Video: Controversial TV Interview in which Benazir Bhutto states that Osama bin Laden was assassinated.



Benazir suspected various terrorist groups of planning to assasinate her. She also stated that what was important was to identiify who supporting these groups. Are these groups associated with the government? Benazir stated that at least one of these groups is are associated with the Pakistani military government.

Bhutto as you know has been assasinated and no one knows who assasinated her. But she was the light of democracy and freedom in Pakistan unlike the US Allie and the millitary dictator Mushraf.
 
A large part of the Pakistani population and many of them believe Usama Bin laden is a CIA agent. He is a creation of the CIA to justify USA's war on terror. He is there to put Islam in a bad light.

Good Morning America learns that Bin Laden is a CIA agent.

 
The "ZEITGEIST" movie is informative and well-done (I still haven't finished watching it yet). I didn't know about the Federal Reserve being a central bank and lending money to the government. That would explain how the U.S. government is "beholden" to all these money lenders, and therefore not firstly concerned with its citizens.
 
Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job

Man who set up Operation Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad

Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio Francesco Cossiga has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Cossiga was elected President of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992.

Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

Osama-Berlusconi? «Trappola giornalistica». Corriere della Sera

Alex Jones' Endgame

The "ZEITGEIST" movie is informative and well-done (I still haven't finished watching it yet). I didn't know about the Federal Reserve being a central bank and lending money to the government. That would explain how the U.S. government is "beholden" to all these money lenders, and therefore not firstly concerned with its citizens.
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Yes. Exactly. Zeitgeist is an eye opener. Everyone should see it to be able to understand how and who is running this world.
 
Now that we agree that Twin Towers were blown to pieces by dynamite and did not collapse due to fire. Who do you think planted these bombs in the various buildings in New York?

Its quite ironic that people can be so stupid in believing that 3 buildings collased because of fire due to 2 jets ramming into WTC like a stack of cards.

Have we woken up from the coma yet? Sheeple?
 
Former Air Force fighter pilot Russ Wittenberg, who flew over 100 combat missions in Vietnam, sat in the cockpit for Pan Am and United for ... all » over 30 years

RUSS WITTENBERG: "I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11... Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for... a so-called terrorist to train on a 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns,.. pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's... I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3606159506368831731
 
WTC7 collapsed due to debris and jet fuel fire from the Twin Towers? This is a difficult question because it is hard to prove but equally as difficult to disprove.

I just want more answers than I am getting.
 
Well since we know that people were on the planes, and witnesses spoke to people on the planes on cell phones and passengers said that they saw the hijackers... and since we have witnesses that saw the planes hit three buildings, and others that heard the one go down in Pennsylvania... and since all this fits the physical evidence... the fuel, the video of the plane strikes, the wreckage, airport footage of the hostages... and since none of the planes or their hundreds of passengers ever showed up anywhere else... and engineers have simulated and recreated the collapses of the buildings due to the impacts and fires....it seems clear to me that the "Official" version of 9/11 is probably the most reasonable.
 
The thing with conspiracy theories is that they are hard to prove and hard to disaprove. The reason why there has been so much conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 is because of the secrecy of the US government and there have been alot of false statements and statements which makes one go hmmmm.

how could wtc7 collapse. were there really bombs planted in the buildings?

there are countless witnesses who said they heard explosions in the basement of twin towers first. then you have to ask is what they say or the web sites you get their information from credible?

the bush administration has been caught lying so many times. so, many people ask since they have lied about so many things why would they not lie about 9/11 too?

then other people ask. how can some people do such things to their own people? there has been cases where western countries have committed an act of terrorism against its own people. like for instance operation gladio. where western intelligence planted a bomb in a train station and killed about 100 people in italy in the 80s. at that time the terrorist attack was framed in such way for the public to believe it was leftist extremists who had planted the bombs there but in the after math it was found out that it was people in the italian government who was responsible for the train bombings. they did this to make people afraid in return that would strengthen their own position in italy.

cia has in the past blown up commercial airliners and in the 60s it planned an operation called operation northwoods. where the us government was thinking about committing terrorism such as hijacking of planes and planting bombs in various places and kill its own people and they would blame it on cuba so that us could mobalise the americqan public and legitimise an invasion of cuba. this plan was never put in motion but opereation northwood has been declassified.

bin laden the shadow boogey man is supposedly the master mind behind 9/11 but after all these years the us government still has no evidence linking bin laden to 9/11. bin laden is not wanted for the attacks on 9/11 by the us government.

the 5 frames which the pentagon released does not show an airplane. instead it gives more questions than answers.
 
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BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell



This is one of my favourite clips. BBC reported that WTC7 collapsed actually before the collapse itself. There is BBC reporting about just a new collapse when the building is still standing.
 
i think wtc7 was a controlled demolishion.



for me this makes more sense than building collappsing onto itself like a stack of cards due to fire. i dont think that is very likely.
 
Again, when you see how the whole complex was constructed and understand the type of damage that WTC 7 suffered from the collapse of Tower 2 then the "official explanation" makes more sense than a controlled demolition. Controlled demolitions take weeks to set up... removing supports, interior walls, setting timed charges...

The buildings sat in a big hole called "the bathtub" which managed to contain much of the flaming debris from the collapse. Building 7 had substantial damage, especially to the exterior and underground support structure. Collapse was inevitable.

Then there is that little matter that not only did hundreds, possibly thousands see the planes hit three buildings, millions of us saw it on video. Weeks later, we even got to see tape of the first plane hitting taken by a French film crew. Millions of us watched in horror and shock when the towers came down.

And to believe that Dubya is actually competent enough to carry out a conspiracy like this? Did you see how he has handled Iraq, Afganistan and the Katrina disaster? Is there any thing in his past performance over seven years that tells you he could competently carry this out? I really don't think so. They couldn't keep the Plame thing under wraps... the whole WMD thing unravelled... a conspiracy this big, with no leaks or loose ends. Not Dubya. No way.

And the biggest evidence against Bin Laden is provided by his organization taking credit for the attack... the tracing of money to the hijackers... the evidence the hijackers left... they say they did it. He admits to doing it. I believe them.

This seems pretty silly to me.
 
The video doesn't seem to show anything conclusive about the nature of the 9/11 attacks... only that the British government lied about the invasion of Iraq. It talks about the incriminating "Downing Street Memo" which meant that Bush and Blair were lying and weren't simply mistaken, and the treatment of a wistleblower and the possible cover up in the 7/7 train bombings. The video clearly shows both planes hitting the towers... All of which could be true and still have the official version of 9/11 be entirely correct.

It does not support your conclusion.
 
You saw the video? Its a very good documentary. It tells how our governments or to be more precise the English and also the American governments have lied to its own people. As for 9/11. The Bush administration has been caught lying so many times that whatever they say about 9/11 is as credibile as some of the Holocaust deniers.

It is odd to see the buildings collapse like they did. It also is odd that there are witnesses who heard explosions in the basements have been ignored by the 9/11 investigation. I think if there was a fire one of the beams would get soft so the building would have tilted then collapsed and not collapsed onto itself.

You do come with some good points about the magnitude of this operation so it must have leaked some place. However secrets on this scale has been kept a secret before. THe Manhattan Project during WW2. Operation Gladio, Northwoods had been kept a secret for many years.

What US needs is a new investigation. An independent one.
 
All i know is that if you believe 9/11 to be an inside job, and you live in the U.S., you should be leaving the country/ making serious plans to. This is not an irrational stance. If you believe the government is willing to kill thousands of its own people, and destroy hundreds of millions of dollars of property and businesses in order to garner support for a war, or what have you, then WHAT MAKES YOU SAFE? if this is the case, YOU ARE NOT SAFE, and you should not be living in this country.
 

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