September 11th true or false?

There are these American pilots who says 9-11 is all a scam. Another pilot.

John Lear: Well, you know, five minutes after it happened, I knew that it was a scam. ... No Boeing 757 ever crashed into the Pentagon. No Boeing 757 ever crashed at Shanksville. ... And no Arab hijacker, ever in a million years, ever flew into the World Trade Center. And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.

People ask, you know, why do I think that 9/11 was a scam. They say, "Why would the government do that?" And I said, there's three basic reasons. Number 1; they wanted to take away all our liberties and they had to pose a threat to do that. Number 2; they wanted a reason to go into Afghanistan. ... Then the third thing was we had to have a pretext for going into Iraq.



Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

First off. Pilots question how it is possible for someone with minimum flying hours to navigate the airplanes like they did. Especially the one in Pentagon.

Another pilot says.

At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757's and 767's and could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.

I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!

Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft?

Please watch this documentary.

Loose Change 2007. On September 11 2006 thousands of people marched in New York to demand a new investigation of 9-11. A growing number of people are sure that the US government has not told the truth.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-2035108967536002048&q=loose+change+final+cut&total=171&start=20&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Taliban was willing to hand over bin Laden as long as the US came with evidence. bin Laden praised the attacks but has not taken responsibility.


BIN LADEN IS NOT WANTED FOR 911 BY FBI!!!
 
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If Bin Laden is not wanted for the attacks on WTC by the FBI then why is US waging a war on terrorism?

Please watch this documentary. In 1975 Twin Towers burnt twice as long as it did on 9-11 yet there was no hint of a collapse. No steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to a fire. The tower which was hit last collapsed first. Then the second tower which was hit afterwards collapsed.

It explains the collapse of the Twin Towers or the failed engineering.

After that please watch the collapse of WTC7. A building that never was hit by a damn thing.
 
The mayor of San Fransisco got warnings about riding an aeroplane the day before 9-11.

On July 26, 2001- 47 days before the Sept 11 attacks- CBS News reported that Ashcroft was flying expensive charters rather than commercial flights because of a "threat assessment" by the FBI. CBS said, "Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term." Newsweek later reported that on Sept 10, 2001, "a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly cancelled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.

Did either Ashcroft or the Pentagon have advance information about a 9/11-style attack and, if so, why wasn't this shared with the American public?

The London Times reported that Salman Rushdie got a similar warning about not flying to New York.


US troops evacuated Taliban and Al-Qaida fighters to Pakistan from Afghanistan.

8000 Taliban and Al-Qaida fighters were flown out by US carriers to safety to Pakistan.
 
1. Many people knew not to fly on 9-11. Pentagon officials cancelled a meeting on September 10 in New York due to security reasons.

2. Osama bin Laden is not wanted for the attacks on 9-11.

3. 3 buildings collapse. 1 was not hit by an airplane.

4. Pilots say it is impossible to fly a Boing into Pentagon the way it did and not leave any trace of the wreck. The lawn was not damaged one bit.

5. USA flies 8000 Taliban and Al-Qaida fighters from Afghanistan to Pakistan to safety.

There is more. Still, there are people in this day and age who think the US government is telling the whole truth and not with holding any information.
 
6. Inside trade. People in the stock market made a fortune on short sell. They gamble that the stock market will take a nose dive. Stocks from American And United Airlines were being sold in a frantic tempo just before 9-11.

Some people still say. But do you really think the US government is THAT terrible? I have already given you many examples of false flag operations carried out by US. In Iran, Operation Gladio, Tonkin.

7. There is also OPERATION NORTHWOOD

Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to stage acts of simulated or real terrorism on US soil and against US interests and then put the blame of these acts on Cuba, so as to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro.

As part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative, the plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.



en.wikipedia.org

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia

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This never was put in motion but it is declassified information. This is not a conspiracy. US planned to hijack airplanes and blow them up and then blame it on Cuba.
 
8. Survivors of 9-11 who was in WTC witnessed an explosion in the basement before the towers were hit by an airplane. There were people who got injured from the explosion in the basement.William Rodriguez says the he helped a man to safety who was blown from an explosion in the basement.

William Rodriguez – WTC survivor. An American Building Maintenance employee for twenty years, responsible for inspection and maintenance at the World Trade Center, who held the master key for the stairs. He was the last person to leave the building on September 11 and has been credited with saving many lives.

They first heard an explosion in the basement first. Then a second explosion up in the building which was when the tower was hit by airplane.

Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above,

Another witness who was in WTC on 9-11 in the basement.

Mr. Johannemann was in the basement of the North Tower when the first plane impacted. "I was right there. I was down in the basement. Came down. All of a sudden the elevator blew up. Smoke. I dragged a guy out


There are survivors who witnessed a freakin explosion in the basement before the plane hit the towers.
 
So you have survivors who heard explasions and who were injured by explosions in the basement. You have pilots who say that they would never be able to fly like the pilots did on 9-11.

9. Then you also have architects.

It is impossible for the lightest 'upper' part of a building to plow through the strongest 'lower' section through the force of gravity alone."

This was a set up. One the greatest scams of this century. There should be a new investigation right now! Why are not more people in US demanding it? One more event in US will turn US into a police dictatorship. Itll be like DDR or Pinoche Chile. Where there is a massive secret police who infiltrate the civilian population either by tapping their phones or mingeling among people. People will get kidnapped one day out of the blue.

Im not American so I dont care that much but Americans should. US is passing all these vicious laws which is giving more and more power to the authority and they are losing liberty and freedom. People are in a sheeple mind set. Well, yes! I love my country so I dont care what the government does. I can give out finger prints because I have nothing to hide. Before you know it youll have a micro chip up your bum and the secret police monitoring every single move.
 
Now that we have expert comments aswell as survivors. US did not invade Afghanistan because of 9-11. US already had plans to invade Afghanistan BEFORE 9-11.

By the BBC's George Arney
A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

The wider objective, according to Mr Naik, would be to topple the Taleban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place -possibly under the leadership of the former Afghan King Zahir Shah.



 
What has changed in the US since 9-11? Well apart from spending billions and billions of dollars on the war. A few hundreds of thousands of deaths both Americans and non-Americans.

The US has come with some new laws. Here are just a few.

The government can authorize secret arrests in terrorism investigations, which can overturn a court order requiring the release of names of their detainees.

Not even an attorney or family need to be informed until the person is formally charged, if that ever happens. The government can kidnap whoever they please whenever they please.

The government can wiretap US citizens' phones and e-mails without proper warrants.


The FBI is now currently making a database of every single American. Even Americans who have never committed any crime. The government can force private information about their clients, relatives, or employees.


The United Police State of America.
 
What do I think of USA? I think the population has been dumbed down by stupid no brainer entertainment and the government has managed to spread fear. Hence the American public is scared and apathetic.
 
True. I have been talking to myself. I have either been completely ignored or I have completely outdebated other people. Not quite sure which. The 9-11 conspiracy is how people actually believed Osama Bin Laden was behind the attacks. News Flash! He is not wanted for the attacks on New York. It is all a big set up. WTC7 is the best evidence there is. A building collapses without getting hit by an airplane? It was a standard controlled demolishion.

The Twin Towers were built to take impact from Boeings. The planes in itself could not have made the towers collapse.
 
You really haven't added much to this debate I am afraid. You could have come with reasons. You have not come with one reason apart from my reasons being ridiculous without stating why.
 
That goes for you as well, you've simply added a hell load of letters with nothing but hatred and resentment behind them.
We're not living in the medieval era, pride and patriotism doesn't prove much now.
 
The fact that you hate and detest the USA with all your heart makes all your stuff questionable by default, now take the dodgy sources you cite, and there you go, you're holding a 3rd grade, z category overhyped book that is aimed at people who not only believe in superstitions, but even in ones that contradict each other.
You say we should not believe everything we are told... cool. A little bit of healthy suspicion never killed anyone, but its exactly you who blindly believes anything that would stain America.
Honestly, If I made a website saying that Bush is raping newborn Iraqi girls, you'd be citing it in two days no doubt.
 
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How hot does jet fuel fire get? Please talk about various fires. Do you think if the steel collapsed due to jet fire that the frames are more solid at the bottom than up high? Advisors were warning Rumsfeld for close up to an hour. The plane got closer and closer to the Penatgaon. All what was needed was an emergency alarm. Why did not Rumsfeld push the button? Why was bush reading my peg goat in a kindergarten even after the first tower getting hit. How come WTC 7 collapsed? How come USA has not provded with a butt føck evidence that it was UBL?

If you got good answers I want to listen to them if not you should clap it.
 
I've got a nice question, why are you only concerned with the evil doings of the USA?

If you were talking about North Korea, I'd probably believe in stuff you say, or at least i'd try to understand your point, but in this case I cannot, you are not objective at all, how could we believe someone who not only stated facts about the USA but also hate filled narrations about not only the USA, but the whole Saxon world in general.
If you want people to believe you, present your beliefs and opinion in an edible manner.
 
I don't care if it was the USA but why don't you answer my questions? Due to 9-11 ca 1 million people have died. North Korea has not killed 1 million people. Get this shallow anti-pro American out of your head. You are starting to bore. You KGB American? What's up?

Watch Loose Change Final Cut - November 200...It's American.
 
Yes centrajapan you have out debated everyone.. and this time yes I am taking sides...
you did a great job...
and others can do little to ridicule it out of jealousy.
 
centrajapan - Your posts have not been ignored - there are a few pages of posts on this thread. Just be patient. I've been watching the "Demolitions Recut" video bit by bit, and it is very interesting and brings up good points about how the towers collapsed. It's also very informative - I didn't know all those things about steel and how the towers were built. I'm going to watch the rest of it, and there are probably others watching it, too. Just don't expect immediate responses to this. 9/11 is something that has affected all Americans in almost a personal way, and no one wants to believe that our own government had a hand in it. But overall we're open to that possibility.

Just be patient and don't start insulting people just because no one has responded to your most recent post.
 
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es centrajapan you have out debated every one..and this time yes i am taking sides...
you did a great job...
and others can do little to ridicule it out of jealousy
Click to expand...

Cheers!! Hard fought battle. 911 was an inside job. I mean it.
 
At first people get really offended when I say. 9-11 was an inside job but then if you look at the incident it becomes so obvious. Right before the Twin Towers collapsed it looked in good shape. Granted there was a fire and then all of a sudden it just collapses symmetrically. Freefall. And then another building which was not hit by anything then also collapses. WTC what?

It is very logical thinking!! It's the deniers who are not thinking logically.

Please watch this.

Now I am assuming that it will not take a long time before the mainstream media starts to pick up on this theory. There is tons and tons of documentaries, books, information about the 9/11 lie in the alternative media, web pages. As people start to snap out of their coma. Its about time they do. They will realize that they have been manipulated and lied to. It's one of the greatest scams of this century.

Then after that watch this.

Loose Change is also a very good documentary.
 
If there were bombs planted in buildings which it looks like looking at they way the buildings collapsed then why does not the US government say there were bombs? After all, they could have said the Terrorists planted them in the buildings and not the US government.

Why has the main stream media been so quiet about this when on the internet there are literally 1000s of web pages and 100s of books documentaries etc.

Thats the part I dont understand. I think Charlie Sheen is one of the few celebreties who has openly supported the theory that the buildings collapsed due to implosions rather than it being hit by airplanes.

There are many government offcials, millitary leaders, engineers who has supported the theory that it was a controlled demolishion too and when according to a poll more people believe that the US government is hiding something than telling the truth there should be more talk about this topic on the main stream media.
 
If a building is burning. There are many many steel frames. Not only 1 or 2 frames but a whole bunch. It is like a grid. The theory is that all the frames melted at the same time therefore the buildings collapsed. This is not likely. Any structure is more soild at the bottom than the top. So a building should not give in like it did.

When you have a controlled demolishion they blow up from the bottom first. If you are going to knock a stack of something you knock the bottom part and not the top right? And if you see WTC7 it looks exactly like a controlled demolishion.

Silversteind then said on TV that we pulled it. Pulled it. Pull it means a controlled demolishion but he then later stated that he meant that he pulled the fire fighters. Then why did he say IT? And not them?

Why are we not getting more answers and why are not more people asking questions?

:(:(

People should not be afraid to speak out.
 

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