Not sure what you mean by that.Are you using a text injustice looking stuff up in a dictionary?
Not sure what you mean by that.
Well, I googled for most of the phrases and verbs and applied (what I thought was) the right conjugations.Auto-correct error. Should be "or just"
Expressing "must" or "have to" | Learn JapaneseWhere did you get "the negative + ば + ならない" means "must"?
I'm not doubting the credibility of the information. I'm confused as to which method to use and whether to use だめ/いけない/ならない.Look more carefully the explanation and examples in the site. Tae Kim said "Negative verb + 「ば」 conditional + だめ/いけない/ならない". He is correct, you misread it.
I thought that was the conjugated verb. Isn't 走らない the negative version of 走る?You can use either methods and either of those three words, but you need to CONJUGATE 走らない in either way, as the site says.
Well that makes so much sense now. Thanks! I'm trying to teach myself which is proving to be a bit difficult right now so thank you for bearing with me. I have seen some of those forms.Yes, and 走らない also conjugates as an i-adjective. Haven't you ever learned this rudimentary fact yet? Just one more thing, have you ever seen the forms something like ~ないばだめ/いけない/ならない or ~ないてだめ/いけない/ならない in the site you are referring to?
Well that makes so much sense now. Thanks! I'm trying to teach myself which is proving to be a bit difficult right now so thank you for bearing with me. I have seen some of those forms.
Probably you misunderstood me. I pointed out ないばだめ/いけない/ならない is wrong. You never see it anywhere. Again, please read more carefully the explanation in the site.I have seen some of those forms.
Note that since the verb is always negative, for the 「ば」 conditional, we will always be removing the last 「い」 and adding 「ければ」.
- 毎日学校に行かなければいけません。
Must go to school everyday.- 宿題をしなければだめだった。
Had to do homework.
Thank you for the clarificationProbably you misunderstood me. I pointed out ないばだめ/いけない/ならない is wrong. You never see it anywhere. Again, please read more carefully the explanation in the site.
Whether I use online blogs or textbooks, I am sure I will run into these problems. When learning certain parts of Japanese, I often need clarification to help me better understand the material. In a classroom, for instance, kids can not learn straight out of the textbook. They often need a teacher to answer their questions and/or provide assistance in understanding what is written in the textbook. I am the same way. That is why I came here to see if anybody could assist me on my journey to understanding Japanese and I am very grateful for everybody that has posted here so far.Have you checked for used textbooks from Amazon? The Genki series can be had used for very reasonable prices. Unscrupulous people sometimes even post pdf files of it online.
Again and again, you need to read MORE CAREFULLY the explanation.So, then one correct way to write 'must run' is 走らなばならない?
we will always be removing the last 「い」 and adding 「ければ」.
- 毎日学校に行かなければいけません。
Must go to school everyday.- 宿題をしなければだめだった。
Had to do homework.
Totally irrelevant, but the English here should be 'you need to read the explanation more carefully'.Again and again, you need to read MORE CAREFULLY the explanation.
Ooops, my bad! Yeah, I myself don't know why I wrote it in that word order...
Totally irrelevant, but the English here should be 'you need to read the explanation more carefully'.
(I'm not sure why... you can say 'I need to run quickly to the store' or 'I need to run to the store quickly', but it's always 'read the explanation carefully' and never 'read carefully the explanation'. That last phrase feel harshly unnatural even though the parts of speech are the same as the run to the store example. Maybe someone knows why. Perhaps it has to do with there being only word position and no prepositions involved.)
You need to more carefully read the explanation
Totally irrelevant, but the English here should be 'you need to read the explanation more carefully'.
(I'm not sure why... you can say 'I need to run quickly to the store' or 'I need to run to the store quickly', but it's always 'read the explanation carefully' and never 'read carefully the explanation'. That last phrase feel harshly unnatural even though the parts of speech are the same as the run to the store example. Maybe someone knows why. Perhaps it has to do with there being only word position and no prepositions involved.)
To the OP, you should commit the なければならない to memory as a phrase meaning 'must'. It is in fact a standard negative-conditional conjugation followed by a negative conjugation, and many similar patterns share the same meaning (Japanese is full of double negatives!) However that particular phrase is a very standard one, and if you know it by heart you also will be familiar with the conjugations used to build it.
That said, I feel that the whole topic has diverged from the original question. You wouldn't use a generic
'must' (なければならない・なければいけない・などなど) to translate a -conditional must- from English.
I don't think you can use 仕上がり for finishing a race either, but I'm not quite sure about that. If you did, I'm don't think that 最初 would the right meaning of first. Maybe in the right sentence it could be used for finish a race first. But I think you were looking more for a meaning like 一位. Always be sure to check unknown words in a dictionary with examples - you can use EDICT dictionaries (jisho.org / wwwjdic / the 'kotoba' cell phone app / the rikai-chan browser app, , etc. etc., although I prefer Yahoo!辞書 - 国語・英和・和英および専門辞書の検索サービス However, you mustn't rely on the basic gloss from those dictionaries but check the example sentences included in those apps, or example sentences from tatoeba.org / 英語学習・TOEIC対策・英辞郎 on the WEB | アルク , or other such sentence databases. A good example sentence is worth ten paragraphs of definition.)
Anyway, on the original proposal, I'd suggest that you you would use something like '早く走らなければ勝利しない'. (If I don't run quickly I won't win -> I must run quickly to win). Of course I am only a student of the language myself and may be mistaken here. If my sentence is in error hopefully someone will correct it, but a point that I do have confidence in is that this pattern is common in translation - that is, the English 'I must A in order to B' becomes a double negative in Japanese 'AしなければBない'.
It is such a bundle of misunderstood, improperly learned, and simply guessed at bits that the solution is to GET A PEDAGOGICALLY SOUND TEXTBOOK, start with Lesson One, and work through the basics in a sensible manner, doing plenty of drills along the way.