News Russia increasing used car imports from Japan

thomas · 4 Nov 2022

With Russia's domestic car industry crippled by Western sanctions, the sales of used cars are surging. Japan accounts for more than three-quarters of those imports.

Sales of new cars produced in Russia have slumped since Moscow sent tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine in late February, with sanctions limiting access to parts and several foreign producers suspending operations in the country. Their withdrawal, along with the stronger rouble has pushed up demand for used cars from Asia, with logistical challenges partially to blame for prices being about 10% higher in September than the start of the year, the central bank said late last month. [...] The vast majority, 76%, of used cars were imported from Japan, with Belarus distant second with a 5.3% share, the data showed. [...] The West has sanctioned the export to Russia of some materials used in car manufacturing, while production halts have further hobbled the sector. Japan has sanctioned the export of high-value cars to Russia, but used cars imported by individuals fall outside the sanctions remit. Moscow is also promoting a grey imports scheme to allow supplies of goods to continue.

Russia turns to Japan for used car imports as domestic production slumps

With Russia's domestic car industry smarting from the impact of Western sanctions, sales of used cars are leading a relative resurgence, with Japan accounting for more than three quarters of those imported, according to data shared with Reuters.

www.reuters.com

Grandpa Frank · 4 Nov 2022

I hear the Russian military may be importing slightly used tanks from Ukraine soon.

thomas · 4 Nov 2022

Uncle Frank said:
I hear the Russian military may be importing slightly used tanks from Ukraine soon.

I think it's the other way around.

Grandpa Frank · 4 Nov 2022

The poor Ukraine farmers have towed so many abandoned Russian tanks to their farms , they don't have room to plant their crops. A new coat of paint and ready for sale on Ebay , LOL.

Mansoor · 7 Nov 2022

Aside from political subjects and this issue, Russia wants to rejoin Ukraine to its territory once again with minimum engagement before NATO's outsmarting. We must not forget that Russia is the king of oil and gas in the world.

Nevertheless, the automobile industry of the vast country was affected by its traditional car industry of the destroyed soviet for decades. It had a considerable negative effect on the Russian automobile industry's development. It caused Russia cannot accord itself with the modern car manufacturing of the west or Japan and drop behind. But unlike the car industry, Russia never stopped developing its military industries, and went further than the west in some cases.

In my opinion, Japanese politicians should not participate in the western sanctions versus this giant and think wisely about the long-term consequence of such opposition against Russia.

That is what Europe should observe, too, because if Russia stops exporting its oil and gas to Europe or Japan, compensating for the shortage and improving the relationships will not be possible easily.

The European or Japanese governments should not lean on Arabia's oil, USA reserves, and the lands after them to supply their requirements for oil. They cannot saturate the world with oil for a long term, and I foresee; Europe and Japan will encounter a severe oil and gas crisis.

Grandpa Frank · 7 Nov 2022

I agree that this Ukraine business will have an effect on the whole world for many years. There is a lot of propaganda on the internet about what is going on in Russia and very hard to tell what is truth. The intelligence world makes a big deal about Putin's poor health(and even he's dying) and that all the death and destruction of Russia's military will lead to Putin being killed or overthrown. I have a feeling that all the money and weapons the US is giving Ukraine will come back to bite us on the *** in the future. I live in Maine where the winters are long and very cold. I heat my house with oil and the price has gone sky high already. They talk about running out of heating oil here and it's very scary and expensive to deal with. I had hoped to see a world someday without wars and countries hateing each other , but I don't think I will live that long.

Mansoor · 7 Nov 2022

Hello, senior Frank

Russia has a ruling system, and Putin is on top of that. Of course, I don't deny that his character and governing manner didn't affect the system, but it is not Mr. Putin who only dominates Russia. That is a collection, including government members, military generals, intelligence organizations, and Russian congress members who direct the complex government, but their representation is Mr.Putin.

As you see, despite Putin's serious and sharp-sighted character that appears in the scenes like a mighty king, he behaves like a brother with the officials and people of Russia. He always is connected with Russian officials, army generals, officers, or even soldiers.
He always consults with them for every decision and grand policy. During his long-time presidency, some of the close coadjutors and partners, whether in the government or army, have recognized his national character, ideas, governing manner, relationships with the world, and foreign policies.

If we suppose one day he leaves the Russian government for any reason, it doesn't mean a great loss because the Russian government system is in its place and will choose a president similar to Putin instead. At that time, the structure of the Russian government, the congress's decisions, and the army's strategies will be in its place.

For example, if we suppose Mr. Putin becomes retired someday, we probably will see from hundreds of Russian candidates that someone like this person is elected as president. Afterward, Putin will spend the rest of his life in a cottage in the woods beside a blue lake while is riding, swimming, and fishing carefree. LOL

Of course, I mixed the end of the comment with humor, but I don't think it is far from reality anymore.

Lothor · 7 Nov 2022

Mansoor said:
Hello, senior Frank

Russia has a ruling system, and Putin is on top of that. Of course, I don't deny that his character and governing manner didn't affect the system, but it is not Mr. Putin who only dominates Russia. That is a collection, including government members, military generals, intelligence organizations, and Russian congress members who direct the complex government, but their representation is Mr.Putin.

As you see, despite Putin's serious and sharp-sighted character that appears in the scenes like a mighty king, he behaves like a brother with the officials and people of Russia. He always is connected with Russian officials, army generals, officers, or even soldiers.
He always consults with them for every decision and grand policy. During his long-time presidency, some of the close coadjutors and partners, whether in the government or army, have recognized his national character, ideas, governing manner, relationships with the world, and foreign policies.

If we suppose one day he leaves the Russian government for any reason, it doesn't mean a great loss because the Russian government system is in its place and will choose a president similar to Putin instead. At that time, the structure of the Russian government, the congress's decisions, and the army's strategies will be in its place.

For example, if we suppose Mr. Putin becomes retired someday, we probably will see from hundreds of Russian candidates that someone like this person is elected as president. Afterward, Putin will spend the rest of his life in a cottage in the woods beside a blue lake while is riding, swimming, and fishing carefree. LOL

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Of course, I mixed the end of the comment with humor, but I don't think it is far from reality anymore.

Mansoor - how do you feel about your country supplying drones to Russia, which are being used against Ukrainian targets?

This is a genuine question rather than a criticism - I know my country (the UK) has a terrible record in supplying arms to awful regimes.

Mansoor · 8 Nov 2022

Hi, Lothor

You probably know that Iran has had a vast foreign trade with Russia and China from decades before, including military industries ( mutually), and this is not a new thing relative to the presence of Russia in Ukraine state.

We bought the number of the developed S-300 missiles from Russia (12 years ago) through an agreement and commercial contract between the two governments.

Also, the contract of delivering the Iranian drones to Russia was a military trade before Russia tried to prevent Ukraine to join NATO and Vladimir Zelenskyy wanted to open the gates for NATO to come into Ukraine and establish military bases.

Moreover, the number of drones was limited, and Russia used them to eliminate the small military equipment that the armed opposition groups used against Russian units.

Lothor · 8 Nov 2022

Hi Mansoor,

Thanks for the explanation. I read some recent news stories on the drones in Ukraine and found one example of an apartment block being hit by a drone, killing a pregnant woman and three others. I'll put that down to a faulty drone and accept your assertion that they are only used against military targets.

It's interesting that Iran denied that their drones were being used in Ukraine for over two months. I wonder why that was?

I also read that there's a lot of controversy in Iran itself about the use of the drones with a both a newspaper editor and a cleric publicly speaking out against it.

Row brews in Iran over use of its drones in Ukraine war by Russia

Conservative cleric and a newspaper editor openly critical of government’s stance on weapons it supplied to Moscow

www.theguardian.com

Grandpa Frank · 8 Nov 2022

I follow a lot of military pages on Facebook. It reminds me of the "Terminator" movies where wars are fought with robots against humans. The war in Ukraine seems to be one where much of the destruction is done by computer hackers targeting the enemies computer systems that control water , power , hospitals etc. . The war also seems to use satellites up in space alot. The US has often used drones in a distant battlefield country that are controlled by a person inside the US. All the militaries are now developing large surface ships , submarines , and large bombers that have no humans on board , I guess with the idea less military members will get killed. The sad part is they all don't seem to worry about innocent civilians caught in the crossfire of such war machines. I see many comments about our military & government saying that they are watching the war in Ukraine and it's changing the way future wars will be fought. The US military has been studying how a war with China over a Taiwan takeover may take place and changing their war plans based on what they are seeing in the Ukraine. I bet all this new type warfare is giving the older military leadership around the world a headache on how to adapt to a type of warfare that changes almost daily. I wonder if the day will ever come when we don't spend time and a fortune in money on how to best kill each other.

mdchachi · 8 Nov 2022

Uncle Frank said:
I wonder if the day will ever come when we don't spend time and a fortune in money on how to best kill each other.

Doubtful. I believe this is embedded within human nature. If there were any peaceloving human societies, they were long ago killed off by the warlike ones.

johnnyG · 8 Nov 2022

mdchachi said:
Doubtful. I believe this is embedded within human nature. If there were any peaceloving human societies, they were long ago killed off by the warlike ones.

Maybe Denisovans and Neanderthals were too nice?!? Just good for compliant wives?

Paint_Black · 8 Nov 2022

Oi! Come on! We don't have any respectable models of new cars anymore. Just mainstream copies of western junk.

But the old cars of USSR....Look at this beauty!
That's the Masterpiece!
Have you ever sit inside? It's like your personal palace!
And if anybody gonna have accident with ya....well.....you won't feel a lot. The opponents usually got fatal damage....but....nowdays this kind of reworked and recrafted cars prefered by those, who know, how to drive.

Annnd my dude got a fancy garage for her favorite kind of labor) *proudly*

Well. We gonna see some new remastered Jap cars soon, i suppose

Paint_Black · 8 Nov 2022

Mansoor said:
Hello, senior Frank

Russia has a ruling system, and Putin is on top of that. Of course, I don't deny that his character and governing manner didn't affect the system, but it is not Mr. Putin who only dominates Russia. That is a collection, including government members, military generals, intelligence organizations, and Russian congress members who direct the complex government, but their representation is Mr.Putin.

As you see, despite Putin's serious and sharp-sighted character that appears in the scenes like a mighty king, he behaves like a brother with the officials and people of Russia. He always is connected with Russian officials, army generals, officers, or even soldiers.
He always consults with them for every decision and grand policy. During his long-time presidency, some of the close coadjutors and partners, whether in the government or army, have recognized his national character, ideas, governing manner, relationships with the world, and foreign policies.

If we suppose one day he leaves the Russian government for any reason, it doesn't mean a great loss because the Russian government system is in its place and will choose a president similar to Putin instead. At that time, the structure of the Russian government, the congress's decisions, and the army's strategies will be in its place.

For example, if we suppose Mr. Putin becomes retired someday, we probably will see from hundreds of Russian candidates that someone like this person is elected as president. Afterward, Putin will spend the rest of his life in a cottage in the woods beside a blue lake while is riding, swimming, and fishing carefree. LOL

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Of course, I mixed the end of the comment with humor, but I don't think it is far from reality anymore.

We don't need new. And no need to choose.
Well qualified strategist, respected by current Commander, should be the best solution, when old good Mr. Crabs gona retire.

Mansoor · 9 Nov 2022

Lothor said:
Hi Mansoor,

Thanks for the explanation. I read some recent news stories on the drones in Ukraine and found one example of an apartment block being hit by a drone, killing a pregnant woman and three others. I'll put that down to a faulty drone and accept your assertion that they are only used against military targets.

It's interesting that Iran denied that their drones were being used in Ukraine for over two months. I wonder why that was?

I also read that there's a lot of controversy in Iran itself about the use of the drones with a both a newspaper editor and a cleric publicly speaking out against it.

Row brews in Iran over use of its drones in Ukraine war by Russia

Conservative cleric and a newspaper editor openly critical of government’s stance on weapons it supplied to Moscow

www.theguardian.com

Don't listen to some news that tries to provoke public emotions with fake videos, pictures, or one-sided articles.

You may know, in some situations, buying or selling military weapons between two allied countries are among the classified confidential documents, and revealing them to the public is not allowed strictly due to some national security reasons.

I pointed out that selling the Iranian drones to Russia was before Russia encircles Ukraine to break up the connection between Zelenskyy and his party with NATO. So, the Iranian officials were not obligated to declare their secret trade for public while it was before the Ukraine issue.

Also, as I told you already, the intention of the Russian government is not to hurt Ukrainian civilians and always help them to migrate from the areas that are the zone of engagement between the armed groups and Russian corpses. Russia even doesn't target public facilities such as power plants or other necessary factories that supply the requirements of people as much as possible. Russia even has nothing to do with the Ukrainian armies who give up fighting with Russian units. Russia only tries to end the resistance of Zelensky army that target the Russian military units with the sub or heavy weapons.

However, the limited number of drones that Russia bought from Iran was relative to the date before Russian corpses to arrive in Ukraine state.

Mansoor · 9 Nov 2022

Paint_Black said:
We don't need new. And no need to choose.
Well qualified strategist, respected by current Commander, should be the best solution, when old good Mr. Crabs gona retire.

I am not aware of the choice of the Russian nation and am not in a position to opine what would be in the future. That is the nation of Russia that decides who will be the next president of their great land, but as far as I can foresee, I don't think Mr. Putin to leave you anytime soon LOL

Lothor · 9 Nov 2022

Mansoor said:
Don't listen to some news that tries to provoke public emotions with fake videos, pictures, or one-sided articles.

You may know, in some situations, buying or selling military weapons between two allied countries are among the classified confidential documents, and revealing them to the public is not allowed strictly due to some national security reasons.

I pointed out that selling the Iranian drones to Russia was before Russia encircles Ukraine to break up the connection between Zelenskyy and his party with NATO. So, the Iranian officials were not obligated to declare their secret trade for public while it was before the Ukraine issue.

Also, as I told you already, the intention of the Russian government is not to hurt Ukrainian civilians and always help them to migrate from the areas that are the zone of engagement between the armed groups and Russian corpses. Russia even doesn't target public facilities such as power plants or other necessary factories that supply the requirements of people as much as possible. Russia even has nothing to do with the Ukrainian armies who give up fighting with Russian units. Russia only tries to end the resistance of Zelensky army that target the Russian military units with the sub or heavy weapons.

However, the limited number of drones that Russia bought from Iran was relative to the date before Russian corpses to arrive in Ukraine state.

Mansoor - I realise that the situation isn't black and white and that we have different opinions on the war, but I started the conversation with you because I wanted to discuss the war with someone who had a different opinion from me and maybe come to some common ground. Judging from your last post, this won't be possible.

In your first sentence, you basically did a "Fake news!" at me - how the Republicans dealt with facts they didn't like during the Trump era. I do try to limit my reading to credible journalistic sources, so I found that rather insulting. It's also a lazy response.

I do wonder where you get your news from though - your interpretation of the events was so pro-Russian that it could have been written by the Kremlin. A few very basic facts: Russia invaded and instigated violence against another sovereign nation. There have been a huge number of attacks against civilians as evidenced by the mass graves found when the Russians retreated from Kyiv. Many women have reported being raped. Attacks against power plants are ongoing and power cuts are frequent. All this has been widely reported worldwide. Yet, to you, any reports like this seem to be Western propaganda. For that reason, there's no point in continuing with this conversation.

thomas · 9 Nov 2022

Sadly, I have to agree with @Lothor's post.

What I learned from this thread - which, as a reminder, deals with Russian imports of Japanese cars - is that the Iranian leadership isn't as monolithic as we might assume. Apart from the fact that Iranian society is on the brink of collapse due to generational conflict and widespread discontent with an ossified and unpopular clerical regime, we shouldn't forget that there is an intense institutional rivalry between different branches of the military (the all-powerful Revolutionary Guards and the cash-strapped regular army) and other institutions (ministries, etc.). So if the Iranian Foreign Ministry stated that they were unaware of drone exports to Russia, this could, in fact, be true. The Pasdaran are a state within the state.

Paint_Black said:
But the old cars of USSR....Look at this beauty!
That's the Masterpiece!

Yes, I agree. When we lived in Iran (in the pre-revolutionary days), we saw many of these. What were they called? Volga?

Mansoor · 10 Nov 2022

Hello, senior thomas

Your viewpoint is respectable for me though it is not true

Paint_Black · 10 Nov 2022

thomas said:
Sadly, I have to agree with @Lothor's post.

What I learned from this thread - which, as a reminder, deals with Russian imports of Japanese cars - is that the Iranian leadership isn't as monolithic as we might assume. Apart from the fact that Iranian society is on the brink of collapse due to generational conflict and widespread discontent with an ossified and unpopular clerical regime, we shouldn't forget that there is an intense institutional rivalry between different branches of the military (the all-powerful Revolutionary Guards and the cash-strapped regular army) and other institutions (ministries, etc.). So if the Iranian Foreign Ministry stated that they were unaware of drone exports to Russia, this could, in fact, be true. The Pasdaran are a state within the state.

Yes, I agree. When we lived in Iran (in the pre-revolutionary days), we saw many of these. What were they called? Volga?

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GAZ-24 aka Volga 2400
Classy model
Made for comfort

Demoniac · 11 Nov 2022

JDM cars are popular all over the world. My favorite: Honda NSX.

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