Question about the meaning of a word?

[BigBossIchi]

What does this Japanese phrase or slang word "kida" mean? Does it mean anything at all?

 

[lexico]

My dictionary says....

I don't know the context of your "kida," but....does this make sense in your sentence?

き-だ [ki:da] 犠打 (lit. "sacrificial hit") a baseball term, "a sacrifice fly," short for き-せいだ [ki:seida] 犠牲打.

 

[epigene]

I think there is something missing in "kida"...

@lexico -san
犠打 is pronounced "gida" and not "kida"
犠牲打 is also "giseida.

 

[lexico]

Yes, Epigene-san, you may be right.
I checked the page, and the place where the takuon mark should have been had a smudge right there which I disregarded earlier. May very well be the voicing diacritic. So I went to a "Nihongo Kanji (reading) Dictionary" and it had interesting things to say on the kanji 犧.

犧 [kundoku: ikenie; ondoku: G. ki; K. ki; 慣 gi] "sacrifice"
犧牲 [ぎせい gisei] "sacrifice"

So that would mean nobody nowadays reads 犧 as /ki/ but always /gi/ except in a historical reading.

Thanks for pointing that out, Epigene-san. I would not have noticed that on my own for a long, long, long time! Maybe never!

 

[lexico]

Before I try again, I'd like to ask you; was the "kida" used in isolation or was it part of a compund?
My dictionary lists so many compounds, I don't where to look! :?

kidai 3
kidaore 1
kidasuke 1
kidachi 1
kidate 2
kidahashi 1
kidan 4

If it wasn't a compound, was there a particle after it? Actually can you quote the phrase or sentence?

 

[Glenn]

I checked the dictionary at goo, and this was what I found:


きだ 【▽段/▽常】

〔「きた」とも〕
（名）
(1)布の長さを測る単位。一常は一丈三尺。
「布一―/日本書紀 （天武下訓）」
(2)田畑の面積を測る単位。たん（段）。
「おほよそ田は長さ三十歩、広さ十二歩を―とせよ/日本書紀（孝徳訓）」
（接尾）
助数詞。切れめを数えるのに用いる。
「軻遇突智(かぐつち)を斬り三―になす/日本書紀（神代上訓）」

I
1) A unit used to measure the length of cloth. One kida equals one take and three shaku. (I think. The example is from the Nihon Shoki, an old account of Japanese history {AD 720s, I believe}.)

2) A unit of area to measure farms and fields. (Another old use; exapmle again from the Nihon Shoki)

II
A counter. Used to count pauses. (Again, old usage; again from the Nihon Shoki)

 

[epigene]

All of the definitions are "normal" (一般的な) usage. I think that @BigBossIchi is asking for Japanese phrase in slang usage.

A possiblity that came to mind:
お前、何する気だ！(Hey, what are you doing?)
Something along this line...

 

[Glenn]

I was wondering if that was what he was asking, but I don't consider that a word in the sense of a single lexical unit. To me, it's two words. It all goes back to context; i.e., we need it.

 

[BigBossIchi]

Well, the reason I ask which I should have gone into more detail at first is simply because the word "KIDA" was used in an interview I was reading with Japanese director Takashi Miike. Here is the line from the interview in which he uses it, of course this is the English translation so something might have be lost.

"Miike: It could be my own opinion but I think there is a certain mixture between the traditional Japanese horror films called "Kida" and newer horror films from America or Europe. This mix is what makes up the modern Japanese horror films.

 

[epigene]

Isn't it a misprint of "kaidan"? Kaidan (怪談） is a traditional horror story.

 

[BigBossIchi]

Yes, I believe that is exactly what it is and thanks for pointing that out!

 

[lexico]

this is the English translation so something might have be lost.
"Miike: It could be my own opinion but I think there is a certain mixture between the traditional Japanese horror films called "Kida" and newer horror films from America or Europe. This mix is what makes up the modern Japanese horror films.

AFAIK, there is no such thing as /kida/ in Japanese film nomen. My simple guess is that it is a case of corrupt Americanism of the two Japanese words /kidan/ and /kaidan/. Goo says

きだん 奇談 a strange story
かいだん 怪談 a ghost story

In fact there was a movie entitled かいだん 怪談, 1964, Kobayashi Masaki('Kaidan,' aka 'Kwaidan' or 'Ghost Stories'), a classic Japanese horror film. But the term 怪談 , or less frequently 奇談, was a popular folk oral genre that flourished in the Edo period . The horror film category was a natural adaptation of the oral, traditional "ghost stories" or "wierd stories" to the film medium.

Quoting one blogger:
"A highly stylized supernatural film (I hesitate to call it a horror film) from the mid-60s, with stunning visuals and lovely sets, directed by master director Masaki Kobayashi"

Quoting NORIKO T. REIDER, in The Appeal of Kaidan Tales of the Strange.
Asian Folklore Studies; 2000;

"Kaidan are tales of the strange and mysterious, often considered by contemporary Japanese to be frightening ghost stories. During the Edo period (1600-1867), kaidan enjoyed great popularity. Gatherings called hyakumonogatari kaidankai (Gatherings for One Hundred Kaidan Tales), in which people told one hundred stories to induce a supernatural phenomenon, were common among all classes of people. The popularity of oral-derived literature, which reflected the popularity of kaidan, reached a peak in the middle of the eighteenth century."

Quoting NORIKO T. REIDER, in The Emergence of Kaidan-shu: The Collection of Tales of the Strange and Mysterious in the Edo Period, 2001

"Kaidan are tales of the strange and mysterious, supernatural stories often depicting the horrific and gruesome. Many contemporary Japanese regard stories of the kaidan genre as frightening ghost stories. Written Stories that fit the kaidan mold have been part of Japanese literature since ancient times, but they were not identified apart from the rest. It was only during the Edo period that these stories were collected, compiled, and published under the rubric of kaidan as kaidan-shu (collections of kaidan)."

This article mentions a third form, obake, as the traditional ghost story underlying modern Japanese horror. AsianWeek.com: A&E: Nippon By Nightmares Of course, no direct bearing on the word "kida"[sic.] I hope that helps.

 

[NYG 2020]

My baby girl's name(my dog) is Kidada Loca Luisa, "Kida Jonez" for short. Kidada (Jones) happens to be the daughter of Quincy Jones and this is actually the only other person or animal I've heard of with the name Kida/Kidada, although I'm sure there must be some out there. Not sure if this has anything to do with the discussion here, but hope it helps. Full disclosure- Kida passed on May 29, 2020 of Immune Mediated Thrombocytopenia. I miss her terribly, day and night.

 

[Toritoribe]

Kida (木田) is not so uncommon family name in Japan. It's said that there are approximately 28,000 people of Kida now.

Kida (surname) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The discussion was done 16 years ago, by the way...