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GreenCat

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1)
"jiggled and steamed into a better mood" in

"jiggled" hinting that Douglas was transported by Bill Forrester's car

But, "steamed into a better mood"?
Does this simply mean:
Something, such as the air of anticipation in the car or Douglas's expectation of the extraordinary ice-cream, rather dramatically improved his mood?
or
steamed Douglas into a place which improves his mood?

2)
during the service in
No. I told them, If you want a picture of me, use the one taken back in 1853. Let them remember me that way. Keep the lid down,in the name of the good Lord, during the service.
Does this simply means while she is alive?

3)
That's no way to talk, is it?
"No,this is a special letter. Look at it" She showed him the blue envelope,which she now sealed and pressed flat. "Remember how it looks." When you receive this in the mail, you'll know I'm dead."
"That's no way to talk, is it?"
What is his intention for adding "is it?" ?

For emphasising his disapproval?
or
to soften the tone?

4)
Moved on in the context below

There was a mention of something more to talk about for them earlier in the page.

"move on" simply means:
she continued to talk?
but
the last ellipsis and repetition of "and then", gives me an impression as though her voice echoing on and on, ever increasingly more inaudible, even after she has left the place.

What is the thing the author actually is trying to convey here?
Anyway to tell it?

5)
They turned in at the drug-store and sat at the marble fountain.
Summer was back full, boiling the clouds and scouring the metal sky. They turned in at the drug-store and sat at the marble fountain. William Forrester took the letter out and laid it before him and still did not open it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/turn+in


"turned in" is used to say they arrived at somewhere and now inside?
How natural does this sound to you?

6)
I was reading a Manga scanlation the other day and found this sentence.
"if saying goodbye will make you feel sad"

Is this "will" used like the definition below, to express that speaker regards the tendency as a quirk?

will(modal verb)
9) used to describe someone's habits, especially when you find them strange or annoying/
(From Longman dictionary)
or
as a conditional like "if"?
or
just to make the sentence sounds weird?


Thank you for reading.
Maybe my questions sound silly but I really can't understand these things, so if you do not mind, please help.
 
OK, I'll tackle 1) & 2).

1)
"Jiggled and steamed", as used here, most likely is a reference to the sights and sounds found in old fashioned drug store soda fountains.
Think of the way they used to prepare carbonated beverages. They'd pour some syrup into a glass, then, add some ice and carbonated water to the mixture. Just like making a mixed drink, they would now mix ( or "jiggle" ) the mixture with a stirrer. Back then, the compressors used in making carbonated water was largely powered by "steam".
So, what Bradbury is trying to say here is that Douglas, who had been in a lousy mood, was cheered up by the lively atmosphere of the drug store soda fountain.

Here's a YouTube video that shows an old fashioned soda fountain.

2)
It means "service" as in momerial service / funeral.
 
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Hi GreenCat san, you're reading "Dandelion Wine" by Ray Bradbury, aren't you?
The parts you quoted are from my favourite episode...

(2) during the service
Does this simply means while she is alive?

The service means the funeral as ASHIKAGA san posted.
And my answer to your question is "no".
I believe she (the old woman - cannot recall her name - the one Bill Forrester got to know) is talking about her own funeral.

If I remember correctly, she thinks that what she looks ilke now (aged, not beautiful anymore) is not her real self, and she feels as if she's a bird or something that is caught in an ancient something (like a swan inside a dragon or some such), so she wants she does not want to show her old body at her funeral, and if photo is necessary, the one taken when she was young should be used, and the lid of her coffin must be kept closed so that people won't see the aged body.


(3) That's no way to talk, is it?
What is his intention for adding "is it?" ?

For emphasising his disapproval?
or
to soften the tone?

I think it is more like a light confirmation on what she said, like "ne?" in Japanese.
"There's no talking, this is what you mean, right?" but no sense of disapproval.

4) Moved on in the context below

It's just what I feel... that the author is describing her voice as if it is something visible.
So it moves around, going farther, into the garden, etc.
But it could be just me. ;-)

5) They turned in at the drug-store and sat at the marble fountain.
"turned in" is used to say they arrived at somewhere and now inside?
How natural does this sound to you?

Might be they turned up inside the drug-store?
It's a wild guess and I can be completely wrong!

6) I was reading a Manga scanlation the other day and found this sentence.
"if saying goodbye will make you feel sad"
Is this "will" used like the definition below, to express that speaker regards the tendency as a quirk?
or
as a conditional like "if"?
or
just to make the sentence sounds weird?

Could it be simply (1) talking about future thus used "will" (2) which is grammatically incorrect - a mistake?


I'm interested in what other members will say.
 
1)

5)
They turned in at the drug-store and sat at the marble fountain.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/turn+in



"turned in" is used to say they arrived at somewhere and now inside?
How natural does this sound to you?
Slightly more natural would have to be "turned in at the driveway/store lot etc." (turned in to, pulled into) but the perhaps attentional change in preposition is somehow refreshing. And a barely noticeable shift, really. Akin in Japanese to (車は)薬局へ向きを変えて入った?

"Turned in to the store" I don't have a problem with either, although no doubt it's technically dubious for the double sense of "turn over to the store" (hand in/hand something over to the store personnel).
Turn in with the meaning of "提出, 出す。"
 
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6) I was reading a Manga scanlation the other day and found this sentence.


Could it be simply (1) talking about future thus used "will" (2) which is grammatically incorrect - a mistake?


I'm interested in what other members will say.

"If saying goodbye will make you feel sad"

To me as a native speaker it is conditional. It is an incomplete sentence and one would expect the condition to be fulfilled later on in the sentence. The basic context of a sentence like this is, "If this action is going to cause this, then ~~~." So for example in this sentence it could be, "If saying goodbye will make you feel sad, then don't say goodbye."
 

Yes, that is what I thought as the author's (or translator's?) intention. The reason I thought it might be a mistake is because I was taught that in a conditional clause, "will" should not be used.
Or is it OK...?
 
Yes, that is what I thought as the author's (or translator's?) intention. The reason I thought it might be a mistake is because I was taught that in a conditional clause, "will" should not be used.
Or is it OK...?
I wouldn't use "will" to express conjectural statements. The condition should be very possible or likely, not an imaginary situation, and rooted in prior knowledge of the actor's reaction or behavior towards an event.

And keep in mind there may be other stipulations I just don't have the time to deal with now.
 
I would have to agree with both of you, although I've never heard of not using "will" in a conditional clause. The only distinction I can think of for using "will" would be for specific moments in time in the future. For example, if you said, "If saying goodbye makes you feel sad," it is almost being implied that in any instance, the person will be sad by saying goodbye no matter the circumstances. However, if you said, "If saying goodbye will make you feel sad," to me it is referring to a specific event that will happen in the future, whether it's the feeling of sadness or the act of saying goodbye itself and the person might not always be sad when they say goodbye, just this particular instance.

It's all nit picky I know, and colloquially I would most likely use "If saying goodbye makes you feel sad," or, "If saying goodbye is going to make you feel sad." I think it should be noted that all three options would work conversationally in my opinion and the person would understand the idea you are trying to convey. Also, I don't think I have ever repeated an English phrase out loud this much before
 
I think "will" can be in regard to a one time event but can also be used towards ongoing situations that consistently trigger sadness and are familar to the speaker. In fact, something that can't be quantified grammatically, the phrasing to me carries a slightly disapproving or patronizing ring (I'm going out of my way to accomodate you AGAIN ??). It could be the formality over "going to" or "makes" ? :?
 
Thank you, ASHIKAGA-san, undrentide-san, Elizabeth, and Half-n-Half-san for posting and answering my questions

1)
Wow, that is hard to guess... No wonder I couldn't figure it out!!
"steam" is treated as an intransitive verb when it means come or go or move. So you answer must the only possibility.
Anyway, I wonder how many people would still remember how-old-fashioned-drug-store-soda-fountains was like...
I am so impressed that you figured out so easily

2)
I see, thanks.
So "keep the lid down" literary meant "keep the lid of a coffin down".

If I remember correctly, she thinks that what she looks ilke now (aged, not beautiful anymore) is not her real self, and she feels as if she's a bird or something that is caught in an ancient something (like a swan inside a dragon or some such),
Ya, she calls her body a dragon and younger self a swan who has been devoured by the dragon, yet alive and safe inside the scales.


3)
(3) That's no way to talk, is it?
I think it is more like a light confirmation on what she said, like "ne?" in Japanese.
"There's no talking, this is what you mean, right?" but no sense of disapproval.
I see, so "is it" hits Bill's feelings and wish (for her to deny what she said) .

4)
It's just what I feel... that the author is describing her voice as if it is something visible.
So it moves around, going farther, into the garden, etc.
But it could be just me. ;-)
Hmm, "Time" moved on" makes sense because it changes but "Voice" normally does not go through much changes... Which means probably it cannot progress or develop in the given context at least.

So her voice as an imaginary and ghastly entity carrying on with their tale of journey together and wondering around in the garden...
or
the state of voice itself abandoned them and moving about in the garden.

Since it does not say "carried on" but "moved on", it must mean "voice moving about" as a metaphor to describe some sort of emotional quality...but what is the quality? Their wish to continue what they have been doing?
Um, I am making this a rather convoluted mystery for myself...

5)
Thank you, Elizabeth-san
I am sorry that I did not include some important bits. It probably is not "turning in" of a car.
Or
The author used it to describe the action of Bill and Douglas like that of a car?

There is a line like this prior to the sentence of the question I posted:

Or possibly they turning on rotating stools in(side) at the Drug store? (But the order of action wise it looks like they turned in at Drug store and then they sat at the marble fountain.)

As to an equivalent expression in Japanese, they might be
薬局に車を回してください/薬局へ車を回せ/薬局へ車を回します(only used for a request or slightly haughty instruction or when driving for someone else)。

But all have emphasis on "come" or "go" rather than the action of "turning the road into a parking space at target location". Actually I would just say 入った or 寄った to translate turned into.

Also we can say 薬局へ人を回せ to say " allocate people for a drug store to run the business"
or
to tell someone "to send a person on messages"

Also 回す can mean to get a business going.
このくらいのお客さんの数ならい一人でも回せる。
店を回す

Very versatile word like "turn"...

6)



Thank you people.
Considering the context, it probably meant
"if your saying goodbye to me is going to cause (with a patronising tone or of disapproval at such might be happening) you to feel sad, then do not say goodbye"

Maybe the translator chose "will" over "going to" or present tense because both of the below conditions were met.
1)the speaker is referring to a specific instance and providing a solution only applicable only to the instance.
2)The speaker regards the person who claims to feel sad for saying "goodbye" a little silly or strange.

Or maybe only for 1), since some people don't recognise 2).
It seems very subtle, if 2) is obvious then it would be useful for acidic remarks though.
 
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