- 20 Aug 2003
- 4,910
- 416
I was quite a long time ago, perhaps 10 years or more, and it was a government site in English. I will try to find it, but I can't promise it will still be there. But it was very clear about this resetting of the clock.
I was quite a long time ago, perhaps 10 years or more, and it was a government site in English. I will try to find it, but I can't promise it will still be there. But it was very clear about this resetting of the clock.Where did you read about it?
Where did you read about it?
I was quite a long time ago, perhaps 10 years or more, and it was a government site in English. I will try to find it, but I can't promise it will still be there. But it was very clear about this resetting of the clock.
As for the minimum contribution period being reduced from 25 years to 10 years, the government did this because prior to the change any foreigner coming to Japan who was over 40 years of age, could use their age as a reason not to join because they would not have gained the minimum number of years by retirement age.
So they made this huge change affecting millions of Japanese people and allowing God knows how many of them to start drawing money out of the system they previously were ineligible for...all so they could collect chump change from a tiny handful of foreigners who move here when they're middle-aged?
The amount anyone can receive from a pension after 10 years is also chump change as you put it.
That wasn't the question. Are you saying they changed the system for the purpose of getting foreigners who moved here when they're middle-aged? That's what it sounded like you were saying.
The government is looking to expand care workers, do you think these will be young workers or middle aged?
I think the government is looking at anyway it can to increase tax/pension receipts.
Would there be any point asking the same simple question for a third time? Or would you just dodge it again?
Were you under the impression the 25 years to 10 years reduction only applied to foreigners?
It would apply to everybody.
And they made that sweeping change just to rope a very few foreigners who came here in middle-age into signing up?
Please explain why you think they changed it?
Can we please leave behind the era in which gaijins just pull misinformation out of their aśśes and spread it around to one another expressed as statements of fact? We're in the Information Age; let's start acting like it.
I would counter that and say do you believe everything government tell you?
You're right. They decided to change national policy and make 640,000 more people eligible to draw money out of the system just so they could screw middle-aged expats, the bulk of whom wouldn't sign up due to mutual arrangements between Japan and their home countries, or who would leave after a few years and claim a payback, or who just wouldn't sign up because of the general gaijin tendency toward self-exemption.
You have some source for your contention other than the depths of your own rectum? Since this isn't your first example of tinfoil hattery I really don't expect a rational reply.
Some related information from 2006. Not sure if anything has changed since then.
What was it about "related info" that you didn't understand? Yes, it may very well be outdated by now, but that's why I also wrote "Not sure if anything has changed since then" (which you copied!).I think you should read that article properly, it only affects those foreigners who gain PR and then work outside Japan. PR makes no difference to the pension of those foreigners who never work outside Japan after gaining PR.
What was it about "related info" that you didn't understand? Yes, it may very well be outdated by now, but that's why I also wrote "Not sure if anything has changed since then" (which you copied!).
It also sounds as if you are unwilling to go see someone official about any of this. Fine. Be stubborn and just go by your instincts and what you might have randomly picked up here and there. Seeing any official office which deals with these matters makes far more sense than trying to talk to random people on an internet forum. Go, or suffer if there are any negative consequences. I'm done here.
That's because you never had a job that got you on the Kousei Nenkin and you obviously didn't pay into the Kokumin Nenkin very long. That and/or you were on reduced contributions due to having no income because you didn't hit a lick at a snake the whole time you've been here. The averages paid out are 147,000 for the former and 55,000 for the latter. Those figures are per month, not every two months.
It is possible to receive up to a maximum of 65,000 per month on the Kokumin Nenkin and up to a maximum of 100,000 per month on the Kousei Nenkin. So from a theoretical maximum possible of 165,000 per month you're getting about 10% of that....1/4 of the Kokumin and nothing from the Kousei.
One should not use your case as a basis on which to get some idea about Japanese government pension plans.