Notion of ALL LOOK SAME (ALLLOOKSAME.com). Is it really true?

[grapefruit]

I don't see why the beauty contest being Western in origin should have anything to do with looking Western for it.

I don’t know who decided and what the correct format should be, but the format of contests looks western. Don’t they put on dresses and swimming suits? The way they put on make-up is western.

If the beauty contests we had in the West were Eastern in origin I don't think we'd be trying to look Asian for them. When Westerns say Asians are trying to look Western, it sounds downright patronizing. And when Asians do it it sounds downright self victimizing and Pan-Asian and racist towards Westerners.

I don't’ think it has anything to do with patronizing or self-victimizing. When you see an Asian guy wearing a business suit with a tie, do you see it patronizing or self-victimzing? It appears the western fashion became the format of what people put on in the international community. I don’t necessary think it is the right way, but I need to put on a business suit and a tie for a job interview.

I do not think that Caucasian people are treated better in Japan. Just look at all the threads in this forum about racism in Japan.

They might not necessarily be treated better, but Japanese people normally regard more highly of Caucasian looking foreigners than other foreigners.

Euro_Hapa, I think YOU are racist towards white people. And from your name, you consider yourself Eurasian, and choose to use the sort of American terminology that has more "fight whitey" implications. You feel that the only way to be Eurasian is to be some sort of mixed blood or half, and act like a white hating Asian on sites like modelminority and yellowworld.com. When there are Central Asians who have not one bit of your silly brainwashing.

Gee, I would much rather be around some half Slavic Half Mongol Neo-Nazi from Russia than some Asian American brainwashed "Hapa" who thinks white people are so oppressive in an age of political correctness and that Japanese people have an inferiority complex and is offended by any similarities between Japanese people and Westerners. Stop victimizing yourselves and stop demonizing us.

He might be or might not be racist toward white people. But, if he has personal experience of being treated unfairly due to his looks, it might be inappropriate to call him ﾂ“brainwashed.ﾂ” If we have never been in his shoes, it might be too harsh to judge him victimizing himself.

 

[NegativeBeef]

Jomon Japanese
Takaaki Kato, Prime Minister of Japan

Chinese
Mao Zedong

[Please compare to alllooksame.com by dyske]

You post some very selective pictures of Japanese. Most Japanese people don't look like that. In fact, many of those people don't even look Japanese; they look Caucasian. I think you're posting pictures of ainus or people with high ainu blood.

 

[NegativeBeef]

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[bammbamm&pebbles]

3 popular NE Asian girl bands

Chinese-looking Japanese モーニング娘 ( Morning Musume ) vs Mongolian-looking S Korean Wonder Girls vs Chinese-looking Taiwanese S.H.E

 

[Ukonkivi]

You post some very selective pictures of Japanese. Most Japanese people don't look like that. In fact, many of those people don't even look Japanese; they look Caucasian. I think you're posting pictures of ainus or people with high ainu blood.

Ainu are Japanese people too....right?

If Japanese people, even some of them, look different because of Ainu, that's still difference, right? I don't remember it ever being said this was an example of what all Japanese share in common against other East Asians. The examples keep saying "Jomon" Japanese and not just Japanese as well. Obviously this person thinks this is what Japanese people looked like during the Jomon period of Japan.

And according to those Haplogroups, Japan has all sorts of different heritage in it. So maybe you can't even say "pure one Japanese" look if you're talking about all the different Haplogroups, who can say each person has all equally? Methinks some people would have more of one haplogroup in Japan and other people would have more of the other Haplogroup. I think what this person means my "Japanese" here, is something that is unique to Japan, be it haplogroups or features. Not saying every single Japanese is gonna look the differently from every single Chinese. Do other East Asians have people with those features? At all? To what degree?

Look at Haplogroup N, it's all across North Asia and even in some of Finland. That would explain some Caucasian features there right? And what about that Ainu haplogroup D? I only saw that over in Tibet, waaay outside of East Asia, that's like, on the Western side of China. And some in Central Asia, that's not China either. And Haplogroup C, that's Mongolia and North Asia as well.

 

[Color red]

Notion of All Look Same

More Jomon Japanese pictures. I posted many pictures of jomon japanese men, and I will try to find more women's pictures this year. Happy new year!

Jomon Japanese
Higa from Okinawa

 

[Color red]

Notion of All Look Same (Alllooksame)

Jomon Japanese
Kenji Honnami from Osaka

 

[terry agni]

Hi, sorry to make that topic back from the net limbo, but there is an 80's Japanese actress who looked so different from all japan actresses I know that I'm asking the question: is she Jomon Japanese? here the pictures (the one with the guy is recent):




Thank you!

 

[terry agni]

Oh, I forgot : she was born in Saitama Prefecture.

 

[Trollhattan]

lol @ this " for amusement purpose " thread

 

[akaitsume1]

There's definitely a tendency of the Japanese to assume that all people who look Asian are Japanese (all of my ryuugakusei friends who looked Asian, regardless of their home country/ethnicity, were constantly bombarded with high-paced, slang Japanese, and any Japanese friends of mine who visited the States proceeded to wonder if each Asian they saw was Japanese). I know that a lot of people claim that they can tell the differences, but honestly, when I was in Japan, I saw very few people who looked alike. I admit that certain features tend to end up in certain people, but I noticed that those same features were pretty common in Japanese faces as well.

I also have a rather entertaining story to tell about two Koreans in Japan who, when introduced through a ryuugakusei, both thought that the other was Japanese, and they spoke in Japanese until they were informed that they were both, in fact, Korean.

So, if they can't tell...

 

[JichaelMordon]

Color Red is creating a fallacy with this topic. He is selectively choosing biased pictures to suit his hidden agenda.

Some of his examples are not even accurate. He uses Shirota Yuu as a representative of Japan. Even though Mr Yuu is half Caucasian, he only brings up pictures of supposed Jomon nationals even though the Yaoyi makes up 99% of the Japanese population. Meanwhile, he completely ignores the diversity of peoples within China, Korea and Vietnam. He believes those three countries do not possess variation, and only Japan does. And to prove his point, he again selectively chooses pictures to suit his agenda.

It would be no different than selectively choosing pictures of +7 foot tall Japanese basketball players and comparing them to 3 foot tall Dutch primordial dwarfs. Then making the argument that the Japanese are the tallest people in the world. At the same time, the Dutch are the shortest. And that there is no variation in height amongst the dutch. Never mind the fact that the examples used do not represent the average person in either country. To make matters worse, every single tall Dutch person secretly has Japanese genes within them.

This is pretty much Color Red's entire message within a nutshell. Just replace height with appearance.

He also mentions that 3% of the Korean population possesses Jomon genes which he equates to Koreans marrying the Japanese during the occupation. A total lie. Completely unfounded and unsupported. He mistakenly assumes that the Jomon and Ainu were exclusive to the Japanese islands only. Failing to recognize a large number of Ainu who lived on the mainland centuries ago.

 

[Trollhattan]

In local Korean restaurants, I have seen Korean waitresses often mistaken some southern Chinese for Japanese.

 

[JichaelMordon]

Just look at ColorRed. Color Red intentionally chooses the most caucasian looking celebrities to represent Japan. At the same time, he chooses the most slanty-eyed Asians to represent Koreans and the Chinese. And the darkest and most primitive-looking people to represent Vietnam. Despite a large number of his examples being only half Japanese or loaded with plastic surgery.

This wonderful Japanese guy is doing the same thing Color Red was doing. He's intentionally selecting pictures of Korean beggars, lepers and thatched mud huts. And comparing them to Japanese tiled roof wood houses and the nobility. Korea had tiled roof wooden houses during that time period as well. So why did he selectively choose the living quarters of the poor?

To make matters worse, he's comparing pre-industrial Korea to Japan during its modernization phase.
That would be like a Korean comparing Korea today to Japan in 1945.

 

[akaitsume1]

I agree that video despite claiming to merely be about "differences" in Japanese and Korean culture for the sake of avoiding martial arts fraud, was clearly trying to show the inferiority of Korean culture to Japanese culture. If it weren't, he wouldn't have chosen pictures that would make Korea look backwards with quotes about how much better Japan was, especially since almost none of them had anything to do with martial arts.

As for why, well, from my experiences in Japan, many Japanese (especially those who have never gone overseas) are still very xenophobic, Westerners don't know the rules and break the natural wa of the area so that we might be treated with caution. I have had several Japanese friends express dismay or warn my ryuugakusei friends or me to be careful because there were many foreigners in a certain area (despite knowing that we were also foreigners). When asked for specifics, the "dangerous foreigners" in question were Chinese, Koreans, or Brazilians (most of whom came during a large-scale work movement).

I asked a few teachers why this was the case, and one main theory is that while Europeans or Americans might be strange, they are viewed as "rich" because of the countries they come from, and they'll be treated accordingly better. Other Asian countries are not doing well (except, perhaps, for this recent economic change) as Japan, so the people coming from those countries are "poor."

It's the classic tourist vs migrant worker syndrome. The tourist spends money. The migrant worker "takes" money. Even if the Korean or Chinese individuals are tourists or were born in Japan themselves, they still give off the impression that many Japanese are from a "poor" country, which leads to the assumption that they would cheat, steal, etc. Absolutely untrue, of course, but there it is. There's no trust there, and a LOT of bad history.

I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not saying that all Japanese feel this way about their neighbours. Nor, for that matter, am I saying that they're the only ones. Here in the US, any Hispanics in the South will know exactly how that feels, because people will assume that they're illegal immigrants and treat them accordingly. And as for the "poor thieves" idea, well, I've filled out job applications that asked if my family has ever needed government assistance. Not to potentially help us out of a bad situation, but because if you're poor, you must be willing or planning to steal from the company.

I think people like that idiot on youtube are perfectly comfortable in the idea that since Japan has been the economic cornerstone of East Asia, they choose to follow a lot of western customs (although not all Japanese are happy about that), that they are superior. They modernized faster, loan out the money, and after so many centuries of being weaker than their neighbours (China especially), they are finally on top. I've read articles about Japan debating whether it was more a part of the West or the East.

Elitists are everywhere, but there is still a vast majority of people in Japan who will welcome anyone who comes with a smile on their faces. Please don't judge everyone by the prejudiced few—just my two cents on the matter.

 

[Color red]

Color Red is creating a fallacy with this topic. He is selectively choosing biased pictures to suit his hidden agenda.

Some of his examples are not even accurate. He uses Shirota Yuu as a representative of Japan.

Your accusation of including Shirota Yuu (but not his images) was correct, but his images were deleted a long, long time ago. Unfortunately, my inactivity in Photobucket made all images not shown, and Shirota Yuu which should have been deleted looks similarly treated as other correct images. Now you see all the other images except "Mr Shirota" (You were wrong calling Mr Yuu, his first name). Are you satisfied?

Regarding the Japanese occupation of Korea, of course, I can rightly assume that the supposed occupancy of Japanese males lasted 50 years, and isn't that all logical if Japanese males were more prone to produce more offsprings?

 

[Trollhattan]

You're one badass troll

Why do you ( someone who is a whitey ) care so much about these East Asians' phenotype variations, they're basically the same Mongoloid race. The northern Europeans typically have a fair complexion and light eyes and southern brethren mostly swarthy, nonetheless they belong to the same Caucasoid race.

 

[JichaelMordon]

Your accusation of including Shirota Yuu (but not his images) was correct, but his images were deleted long long time ago. Unfortunately, my inactivity in photobucket made all images not shown, and Shirota Yuu which should have been deleted, looks similarly treated as other correct images. Now you see all the other images except "Mr. Shirota" (You were wrong calling Mr. Yuu, which is his first name). Are you satisfied

And that pretty much exposes your faulty argument. You selectively used the most caucasian looking examples to represent Japan. And was caught red-handed(ironic considering your username) using half Caucasians or plastic surgery loaded models as examples of Japanese people.

Regarding the Japanese occupation of Korea, of course, I can rightly assume that the supposed occupancy of Japanese males lasted 50 years, and isn't that all logical if Japanese males were more prone to produce more offsprings?

35 years, not 50 years. And most Koreans did not marry Japanese. Those who did move to Japan after the war.

The Jomon/Ainuwere not exclusive to the Japanese islands. They also lived on the mainland. It's even written on a famous Korean kings Stele that he conquered and absorbed the Ainu tribe into the kingdom of Goguryeo(Northern Korean) centuries ago. Its preposterous of you to claim that Koreans got their genes from Japan less than 100 years ago.

 

[Color red]

Trollhattan,

you're one badass troll

Why do you ( someone who is a whitey ) care so much about phenotype variations of these East Asians,they're basically the same Mongoloid race.The northern Europeans typically have fair complexion and light eyes and southern brethen mostly swarthy,nonentheless they belong to the same Caucasoid race.

Let's not forget that Northern European can distinguish themselves from Southern European, or Jews, Turks, Armenian, Iranian, who are in most cases qualified for the Caucasoid races.

Michael Mordon,

While you make accusations, I noticed that you make points or express rather less mainstream claims without evidence.

And that pretty much exposes your faulty argument. You selectively used the most caucasian looking examples to represent Japan. And was caught red handed(ironic considering your username) using half caucasians or plastic surgery loaded models as examples of Japanese people.

I included the birthplaces of the selected Japanese. That is really the criteria I chose in these studies.

But can you really give the names of anyone who are known to have plastic surgery and half caucasian backgrounds in my selections? I am very interested if I can delete anyone who is not Jomon Japanese.

They also lived on the mainland. Its even written on a famous Korean kings Stele that he conquered and absorbed the Ainu tribe into the kingdom of Goguryeo(Northern Korean) centuries ago. Its preposterous of you to claim that Koreans got their genes from Japan less than 100 years ago.

Care to cite sources?

35 years, not 50 years.

Rightly pointed out. That tells me that I am fortunate for not choosing to be a historian.

And most Koreans did not marry Japanese. Those who did, moved to Japan after the war.

Care to cite the sources?

 

[Color red]

Jomon Japanese

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

Jomon Japanese from Okinawa

 

[Trollhattan]

Let's not forget that Northern European can distinguish themselves from Southern European, or Jews, Turks, Armenian, Iranian, who are in most cases qualified for the Caucasoid races.

There are phenotype variations ( Nordid - East Baltid - Baltid ) amongst the Northern European people.


Scandinavia peninsula now has a percentage of Eurasians ( Siberian-Mongol admix ) within the general populations, some have " pseudo-Mongoloid " looks, and others have obvious " Asiatic eyes " exactly like that of East Asian people

Lars Erik Ansgar is one example Lars Leijonborg - Wikipedia



" slanty-eyed " blonde-haired Pekka-Eric Auvinen

Jokela school shooting - Wikipedia

 

[Trollhattan]

An excerpt from The Japan Times: http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20020120a4.html

This was made apparent through "An Interdisciplinary Study of the Origins of the Japanese Peoples and Cultures," a 65 million yen research project carried out with government cooperation, culminating in 2001 with an NHK documentary and book series entitled, "The Japanese: The Long Journey."

Researchers appearing on the program conducted a morphological study of 1,047 randomly selected Japanese facial features. Of them, 35.1 per cent were found to fit the northern Asian type, commonly found in northern China; 22 per cent were categorized as Korean Peninsula; 28.3 per cent, southern China; 13.3 per cent Indochina; and 5.1 per cent fitted the facial features typical of the southern Pacific region.

Akira Tagaya, a researcher quoted in the NHK book series, observed that "Japan, which stretches a great distance from north to south, probably has the largest variety of faces in Asia."

Genetic and archaeological analysis indicates that Japan has been a grand melting pot of peoples from Siberia via the Ice Age landbridge through Sakhalin; from northern and southern Asia via the Korean Peninsula; and by boat from Indochina and Polynesia via the Ryukyu archipelago.

Sunday, Jan. 20, 2002
Japan's homogeneous diversity

By TONY LASZLO
Special to The Japan Times

More than one in 100 people residing in Japan is a foreign national -- but not all immigrants or expatriates from overseas. Koreans are the largest foreign ethnic group in Japan, numbering some 635,269 persons (or 37.7 per cent) of a foreign population put at around 1.7 million. Many are the Japanese-born second-, third- or fourth-generation descendants of those brought here as forced labourers during the 1910-45 Japanese annexation of the Korean Peninsula.

In many cases native speakers of Japanese, these zainichi (living in Japan) Koreans comprise 80 per cent of those holding permanent-residence status in this country. The presence of these Koreans as foreign nationals is a product of Japan's policy of conferring citizenship on the grounds of bloodline (jus sanguinis), and not simply to those born on the state's soil (jus solis).

The second-largest foreign population in Japan is of Chinese -- at 19.9 per cent, or 335,575 individuals -- and Chinatowns have been long established in Yokohama, Kobe and Nagasaki. Although some prominent officials may proclaim the threat posed by Chinese organized crime, it is a study that brings many Chinese here: There are roughly 77,000 Chinese students and 2,000 professors and scholars at universities in this country.

The third-largest group of foreigners is composed not of those whose ancestors were forcibly brought to Japan, but those who left it searching for a better life: Brazilians (15.1 per cent, 254,394 persons). Japanese emigration to Brazil was in three waves: 1908-24, 1925-41 and then from 1953 to the mid-1960s. In all, around 200,000 people relocated to the southern hemisphere to work on coffee plantations or carve out lives as independent farmers.
As Japan's prosperity was peaking in the mid-1980s, the flow of labour reversed. Today, Brazilian nissei and sansei (those of second-and third-generation Japanese descent) principally work in areas such as Aichi, Gunma and Shizuoka prefectures as manual labourers in manufacturing industries.
Japanese immigration policy debars entry for workers engaged in this area of employment. Still, an exception was made for Brazilians and other South Americans of Japanese descent (such as Peruvians: 2.7 per cent, 46,171 persons), because they would be familiar with Japanese customs and the language.

In the event, however, most arrive with little or no knowledge of Japanese. The U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination in March last year warned the Japanese government of its concern that children of Brazilian and other migrant workers were not receiving adequate education in this country.

In Japan, elementary and lower secondary-level schooling is not compulsory for children of foreign descent. In its March 2001 recommendations, CERD voiced its concern that "different standards of treatment in this respect may lead to racial segregation and the unequal enjoyment of the right to education, training and employment."

Another group of concern to international NGOs are "entertainment" workers, of whom some 53,847 are granted visas each year. Some women in this category from countries such as the Philippines (Filipinos number 144,871, some 8.6 per cent of the foreign population) being trapped into hostessing or sex-business work may be a risk.

However, those most vulnerable are smuggled in, or who come on tourist visas and then overstay.
Meanwhile, as the country's population ages and sends workers' ratio to nonworkers into sharp imbalance, the number of foreigners here looks sure to skyrocket.

One U.N. projection suggests that imported labour will swell the foreign population to between a quarter and a third of the total by 2050. Although other estimates put this figure at around a tenth, it seems certain that improved legal provisions and greater tolerance will be called for.
One significant step forward came with the Emperor's statement, on his 68th birthday last December, that he felt "a personal kinship with Korea." The remark was seen as an acknowledgement of Korean ancestry in the imperial line. It is considered likely that the mother of the eighth-century Emperor Kanmu was a Korean princess.

However, the Emperor would not be the only Japanese with "foreign" blood.

This was made apparent through "An Interdisciplinary Study of the Origins of the Japanese Peoples and Cultures," a 65 million yen research project carried out with government cooperation, culminating in 2001 with an NHK documentary and book series entitled, "The Japanese: The Long Journey."
Researchers appearing on the program conducted a morphological study of the facial features of 1,047 randomly selected Japanese. Of them, 35.1 per cent were found to fit the northern Asian type, commonly found in northern China; 22 per cent were categorized as Korean Peninsula; 28.3 per cent, southern China; 13.3 per cent Indochina; and 5.1 per cent fitted the facial features typical of the southern Pacific region.

Akira Tagaya, a researcher quoted in the NHK book series, observed that "Japan, which stretches a great distance from north to south, probably has the largest variety of faces in Asia."

Genetic and archaeological analysis indicates that Japan has been a grand melting pot of peoples from Siberia via the Ice Age landbridge through Sakhalin; from northern and southern Asia via the Korean Peninsula; and by boat from Indochina and Polynesia via the Ryukyu archipelago.

The high percentage of "northern Asian" faces is mostly a legacy of the large-scale immigration from the mainland through Korea and the subsequent population explosion that began some 2,300 years ago in the early Yayoi period.

Of late, though, Japan has begun to accept the existence of foreigners within. The Ainu, indigenous peoples of the northern islands whose numbers are estimated at between 50,000 and 240,000, gained domestic legal recognition as a distinct ethnic minority in 1997. It has been suggested that the million or so Okinawans should likewise be acknowledged as ethnically distinct.

Hopefully, further recognition of the complexity of the past human interrelationships in the region will make it easier for Japanese society to accept new arrivals and increase diversity.