New Procedures in Entering Japan for Foreigners

I know the intentions are good, but I can't help but feel uneasy about this new policy.
 
I went through a nearly identical procedure to enter the US last year. 😊
 
Well, I don't like it either, but as Epigene has alluded to, it's not just Japan. If you're going to complain about it in Japan, you should complain about it everywhere that has this policy.
 
Something besides the controversial topic, interestingly the video clip features this one Asian looking gaijin wearing all black, who wants to refuse having his fingerprints and photo taken...

And it's funny that they make a video clip for foreigners and feature a Japanese speaker, just to snchronize her (in a pretty bad way) with an English speaker.

Let's be happy about it, it's for the safety of us! ☝
 
Yeah, I also went to New York a couple of years ago, and they had similar procedures at the airport. Fingerprints, iris photo and a "normal" photo. What I didn't like, was the hostile attitude of the American officials.

I don't mind these procedures, but it's good to know them, since you might have to queue longer to enter the country than before. And when you know it's a standard procedure for everyone, not just for you, it makes you feel less nervous :)
 
Yeah, I also went to New York a couple of years ago, and they had similar procedures at the airport. Fingerprints, iris photo and a "normal" photo. What I didn't like, was the hostile attitude of the American officials.
I don't mind these procedures, but it's good to know them, since you might have to queue longer to enter the country than before. And when you know it's a standard procedure for everyone, not just for you, it makes you feel less nervous :)

lol welcome to NY. That's how NY'ers are. 😊

I honestly don't care if im scanned. As long as im not probed or chiped, im cool with it.
 
Well, I don't like it either, but as Epigene has alluded to, it's not just Japan. If you're going to complain about it in Japan, you should complain about it everywhere that has this policy.
Because the US has, let's say, an 80-90% probability of further international terrorism within it's borders while Japan has maybe a 0-.02% chance of it happening even once on home soil. Why aren't these procedures being applied domestically ? The only attacks ever committed in that country have come from their own people. 😊
 
In terms of America, I must defer to Collin Powell.
Colin Powell: Terrorists are not greatest threat to nation - On Politics - USATODAY.com

In terms of Japan, I agree that terrorism from outside is probably not very likely in Japan, but I must commend them for being agressive in their precautions against it, even if I personally don't like some of the specifics.

-As I remember, two years ago, it was necessary to show ID in order to enter Narita airport via hotel shuttle bus.

-After 9/11, security was stepped up in major train stations.

-After the anthrax incidents in America, public institutions got a memo about it telling them what to look out for. I got one even though I was in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by mountains!

That's just what I've noticed.
 
The bottom line is that terrorists are obviously smart enough to find ways of bypassing well-advertised preventative security measures and are able to recruit members with no tracable history. Japan doesn't have a sophisticated intelligence apparatus with officers that can penetrate shadowy Arabic and Middle Eastern operatives so fingerprinting and photos are high profile public measure to create the impression that something important is actually happening, and is being effective. It's the same in the US to some degree. Politicians tend to pick security measures that are visible even if they are less effective.

Now if they are after the real targets of catching foreign crime and visa overstays, that's quite another issue...😊
 
Living in a country that's continuously knowing terrorist attacks I'd say such precautions are extremely necessary.
However, "shadowy Arabic and Middle Eastern" .... seems a very wrong generalization.☝
 
Its what left unsaid that worries me the most. No details on how this is used (Is it stored? How long? Who is ultimately in control? Who has access? What will this data be used for? etc). It also means that foreigners with Japanese spouses MUST split up and go through immigration seperately. It also means that even those, like yourself Mikawa, who until now have been allowed to go through the Japanese lines may no longer do that.
Meanwhile, I have to disagree (or else it would be a boring morning :) )
In terms of Japan, I agree that terrorism from outside is probably not very likely in Japan, but I must commend them for being agressive in their precautions against it, even if I personally don't like some of the specifics.
The Japanese reaction has been the equivilent of your neighbors being violently murdered in the night, and several years later you decide to start locking your front door at night. Too little, too late, to no effect.
Even in the UK where domestic terrorism is clear and imminent fingerprinting is still optional and being tested, even then not for just "foreigners", but for all. Actually being tested and properly implemented, not just tacked on as a political slogan to make Immigration look like its doing something for a change.
-As I remember, two years ago, it was necessary to show ID in order to enter Narita airport via hotel shuttle bus.
But anyone can walk off the train and into the station. Those carrying luggage may be required to show ID if security is about.
-After 9/11, security was stepped up in major train stations.
Which equals an officer with a riot sheild standing "guard" and telling people where platform 12 is, as well as removing or placeing see-through garbage bins - one solution being plain inconvenient, the other just plain amusing :)
-After the anthrax incidents in America, public institutions got a memo about it telling them what to look out for. I got one even though I was in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by mountains!
That's just what I've noticed.
And thats normal in Japan ;)
By far the most annoying braindead knee-jerk reaction we've had to suffer is the liquids in carryon luggage farce. Despite experts saying that the bomb plot last year was unfeasable (since it would take hours to create, creating fumes that would set off the built in smoke alarms) there is only one case of liquid explosives being used by terrorists in December 1994, Philippines Airline Flight 434, where the bomb succeeded only in killing the passenger sitting directly next to it and injuring the surrounding 5 passengers.
So despite a "successful" use of liquid explosives in 1994, it took until 2006 when an unfeasable "plot" was uncovered until we get the rediculous reaction of banning *all* liquids despite the only thing they need to be afraid of is acetone, which is a clear liquid with a distinct smell, which would have to be carried aboard in a large quantity to do any damage.
 
What gets me is that people have to do this every time they enter or leave the country. Aren't they supposedly storing this information somewhere? I'd march down to my local town hall, offer up my ten digits and flash my pearly whites tomorrow if it meant avoiding long lines at the airport.

I do agree with Ewok's and similar opinions. Here are two debito entries on the matter:
Nov 07 Immig Law: New Biometric machines only at Narita. Every other airport fingerprints NJ every time. | debito.org
MOJ Website on fingerprinting/photos at Immigration from Nov 2007 (UPDATED) | debito.org
 
UK is an EU country, but the stricter immigration policy is conducted.
And I've never seen workaholic immigration staffs who starts immigration procedures for non-EU passport holders after they finish EU-passport holders. Sorry, if the things changed.
I highly doubt a Japanese wife could go to the EU lane unless she gets the UK passport.

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Have heard that they will keep the fingerprints and photo information for about 15 years!

And, this is not as nice and safe as you might like to think. No terrorist act in Japan has ever been caused by foreigners. So, why print and photo just us? This is not like what you get in the USA!
 
I know the intentions are good

I don't think creating a ludicrous, discriminatory, degrading, dangerous law to fingerprint foreigners just to pretend to Japanese voters that you're getting tough on those nasty gaijins is indicative of 'good intentions.'

Please don't confuse this xenophobic measure with any sort of sincere attempt to combat terrorism.
 
If they were in any way serious or had good intentions, all incoming passengers would be fingerprinted and photographed (whats to stop a foreigner with asian features entering the country with a stolen/fake passport?), at ALL airports that accept international flights. Remember - this is ONLY at Narita.
 
Okay, they get your fingerprints and photo which takes time and is kind of annoying. But.... isn't that all?

What's dangerous about it? Can they make mistakes with fingerprints? etc?
 
Okay, they get your fingerprints and photo which takes time and is kind of annoying. But.... isn't that all?

What's dangerous about it? Can they make mistakes with fingerprints? etc?

Imagine a robbery at a conbini. The police will take fingerprints and try to find matches. Since their database will only hold the prints of a) Japanese criminals and b) foreigners, the likelihood is that any foreigner who'd been unfortunate to purchase anything at that conbini that day and who wasn't wearing gloves would be hauled in and perhaps treated to a 26 day interrogation. A little paranoid? Perhaps... but please consider the modus operandi of the Japanese police.

And then there's the tendency for police data to go missing... who knows what sort of id fraud could be possible if criminals get hold of your prints.

And fingerprint mismatches *can* occur... I'm not happy at the prospect of my prints being compared to prints collected from major crime scenes.
 
Any news items, that proves Fingerprints can mismatch or other stuff regarding to fingerprints that is important inside this thread?
 
Imagine a robbery at a conbini. The police will take fingerprints and try to find matches. Since their database will only hold the prints of a) Japanese criminals and b) foreigners, the likelihood is that any foreigner who'd been unfortunate to purchase anything at that conbini that day and who wasn't wearing gloves would be hauled in and perhaps treated to a 26 day interrogation. A little paranoid? Perhaps... but please consider the modus operandi of the Japanese police.
This a very good example of one of the likely effects of the new procedure.

My main problem is, that I do like beeing seen as a posible/likely criminal merely because i am foreigner. I my own country I have been appointed as civil judge because people in my community regard me as a trustworthy and honest. When I go to Japan I will be treated as a suspect person.
:mad:
 
The measure is based upon the UN resolution, so I don't think it is xenophobic one. The liberal heads in Japan tends to love the UN, so it is the win-win for both sides.
 
The measure is based upon the UN resolution, so I don't think it is xenophobic one. The liberal heads in Japan tends to love the UN, so it is the win-win for both sides.

Come on pipokun, do you really believe that this is really just a counter-terrorism measure? If so, it's a half-baked, pointless and ill-advised measure cooked up by politicians who have no grasp of reality.

And what's more, it was only narrowly passed in the Diet, suggesting that most liberal politicians were against it. And the Japanese Bar Association vigorously opposes it. That's in addition to the severe criticism from the UN.
 
Remember - this is ONLY at Narita.
Why do you say that, Ewok? All the news I've seen says "immigration checkpoints" (plural). No individual city has been mentioned, that I know of. Narita isn't the only site of entry into Japan.
 
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