Need a word or phrase translated?

Elizabeth · 4 Aug 2008

becki_kanou said:
That's correct. INAI is the negative form of IRU (to be, to exist etc.) IRU is also used as you saw above, in combination with another verb to indicate the present progressive / continuous tense. The polite forms are IMASU and IMASEN (neg).
S/He is wearing glasses. MEGANE WO KAKETEIMASU (polite)
S/He is wearing glasses. MEGANE WO KAKETEIRU (plain)
S/He is NOT wearing glasses. MEGANE WO KAKETEIMASEN (polite)
S/He is NOT wearing glasses. MEGANE WO KAKETEINAI (plain)

"Megane wo kakete iru(imasu)" / kakete inai(imasen) could also be someone "wears glasses"/"doesn't wear glasses" (even if they aren't on at the time of the sentence). It's most likely "not wearing" but really context dependent.

2.ONNANOKO WA DENWA O TSUKATTE IMASEN.

Again here I am totally stumped with DENWA O TSUKATTE.

1.The girl isn't using the phone. (Meaning right now she isn't using it).

2.The girl hasn't been using/hasn't used the phone. (Usually a time phrase is included here, though, like "lately" (saikin) or for "a long time" (nagai aida) or "yet" (mada) etc.

Since there's not a context apparently in the Rosetta example, it's probably safest (and simplest) to go with the Kirakira's first translation.

Kirakira1232 · 4 Aug 2008

becki_kanou said:
Also be careful, in your third example the child is holding the cup to his/her mouth (ie: drinking) not putting the cup in his/her mouth.

どうもありがと、ベッキさん。

becki_kanou · 4 Aug 2008

Toritoribe said:
becki san, just a corrections;-)
HIJI:
elbow
*knee:
HIZA
probably the pose similar to Rodin's Thinker

Oops, my bad! Thanks for pointing that out!

SEYZJP · 5 Aug 2008

becki_kanou said:
#2 YORIMO is "more than/ to a greater degree than" NO HOU GA isolates one thing when comparing and TAKUSAN means "many / a lot"
#5 SASAETE is the TE-form (many uses, google Tae-Kim's Japanese Grammar for a good guide) of SASAERU meaning "to hold up/ to support"
#6 KATATE is actually two parts KATA "one of a pair" and TE "hand" so it means "one hand (of a possible two)", NOSETTE is again the TE form of the verb NOSERU "to put something on top of another thing" and ATETE is the TE form of ATERU "to touch/put something to something else".

Yeah it's really hard to figure that out with only Rosetta Stone and nothing else. Thanks for your help

Kirakira1232 · 5 Aug 2008

SEYZJP said:
Yeah it's really hard to figure that out with only Rosetta Stone and nothing else. Thanks for your help

What is the Rosetta stone exactly? Is it a complete language learning course?

GoldCoinLover · 5 Aug 2008

Hello,

I want to be able to say (even if it doesn't make sense) "The cat went to the store."

I'm a bit confused on how to place the particles. I think the sentence structure would be:
"Store the cat went"

Or,
店がねこにいきました.

Thanks

undrentide · 5 Aug 2008

GoldCoinLover said:
Hello,

I want to be able to say (even if it doesn't make sense) "The cat went to the store."

I'm a bit confused on how to place the particles. I think the sentence structure would be:
"Store the cat went"

Or,
店がねこにいきました.

Thanks

店がねこにいきました
means
A shop went to the cat.

If you learn basic particles, it will be clear for you.

が： particle indicating its preceding word is the subject
に： particle indicating the direction with its preceding word
The major particles - Tae Kim's Japanese grammar guide
Verb-related particles - Tae Kim's Japanese grammar guide

ねこは (The cat = subject)
店に (to a/the shop)
いきました (went)

It is also possible to say
ねこが店にいきました
Compared with
ねこは店にいきました,
more emphasis is put on the cat, like
It is the cat which went to the shop
but the nuance really depends on the context.

82riceballs · 6 Aug 2008

In Doraemon, a girl says 「落としたら、スミだよ。」 (If you lose, the penalty's ink). Why doesn't she say 「負けたら、スミだよ。」 Don't people usually use "makeru"?

Why does she use "otosu"? 「落とす」と「負ける」との違いは何ですか？

Thanks in advance!

Elizabeth · 6 Aug 2008

82riceballs said:
In Doraemon, a girl says 「落としたら、スミだよ。」 (If you lose, the penalty's ink). Why doesn't she say 「負けたら、スミだよ。」 Don't people usually use "makeru"?

Why does she use "otosu"? 「落とす」と「負ける」との違いは何ですか？

Thanks in advance!

The first question has to be, what is the object of losing ? Otosu is transitive which means someone performs an action which causes something to be lost that the subject already owns, that is under their possession (very simply put).

Makeru is intransitive which means to lose at, be defeated at something, game, election, competition in general (among other definitions).

So more context, as always....

SEYZJP · 6 Aug 2008

Kirakira1232 said:
What is the Rosetta stone exactly? Is it a complete language learning course?

Yeah it's like an immersion thing. Look it on wikipedia

They basically give you a picture with the word. Like a dog and "inu", cat and "neko" and you are supposed to remember the words. Then they incorporate other words as well. Like "aoi shatsu" "shiroi sakana" ect. It works good except for dealing with verbs.

I have a few more translations if you all don't mind.
1.OTOKONOHITO GA UMA NO MIMI O SAWATTE IMASU
2.ITTOO NO UMA ISSHO NO KAUBOOI
3.NAGAKUTE KAARUGA KAKKATTA KUROI KAMIN0OKE O SHITE IRU NOWA DARE DESU KA?
can you please break down #3 phrase for phrase cause I am stumped.
arigato

LukeSettle · 6 Aug 2008

SEYZJP said:
Yeah it's like an immersion thing. Look it on wikipedia
They basically give you a picture with the word. Like a dog and "inu", cat and "neko" and you are supposed to remember the words. Then they incorporate other words as well. Like "aoi shatsu" "shiroi sakana" ect. It works good except for dealing with verbs.

I have a few more translations if you all don't mind.
1.OTOKONOHITO GA UMA NO MIMI O SAWATTE IMASU
2.ITTOO NO UMA ISSHO NO KAUBOOI
3.NAGAKUTE KAARUGA KAKKATTA KUROI KAMIN0OKE O SHITE IRU NOWA DARE DESU KA?
can you please break down #3 phrase for phrase cause I am stumped.
arigato

1. Otokonohito [man] ga uma [horse] no mimi [ear/s] sawatte imasu [is touching]
The man is touching the horses ear/s

as for the others, i have no idea o.o

is kaaruga
curls 'ga'?

Kirakira1232 said:
What is the Rosetta stone exactly? Is it a complete language learning course?

I used it at my public library and it wasnt very good.
It had a good way of teaching you vocabulary[pictures associated with words], but it doesnt explain anything.

I have a questionnn
This is from tae kims guide, and i dont really get how its put together

先生だと、きっと年上なんじゃないですか？
If he's a teacher, he must be older for sure, right?

This is how i look at it seperating

sensei da to, kitto toshiue na njanai desuka?
I dont really get why theres a janai and a desu...
isnt janai the negative of desu :?
I think i hurried through the guide a little too fast...

82riceballs · 6 Aug 2008

Elizabeth said:
The first question has to be, what is the object of losing ? Otosu is transitive which means someone performs an action which causes something to be lost that the subject already owns, that is under their possession (very simply put).
Makeru is intransitive which means to lose at, be defeated at something, game, election, competition in general (among other definitions).
So more context, as always....

Sorry, left out the context...
The girl, Jaiko, challenges Nobita to a game of badminton. The winner gets to paint the loser's face with ink.

Elizabeth · 6 Aug 2008

82riceballs said:
Sorry, left out the context...
The girl, Jaiko, challenges Nobita to a game of badminton. The winner gets to paint the loser's face with ink.

OK, good luck ! That sounds fun. Usually I hear 敗れる or 負ける on the news. 落とす as "to lose" is probably an extension of "to drop" a game/match/point, etc the same slangy way it is in English.

Toritoribe · 6 Aug 2008

82riceballs said:
In Doraemon, a girl says 「落としたら、スミだよ。」 (If you lose, the penalty's ink). Why doesn't she say 「負けたら、スミだよ。」 Don't people usually use "makeru"?

Why does she use "otosu"? 「落とす」と「負ける」との違いは何ですか？

Thanks in advance!

In this case, 落とす literally means "to drop (the shuttlecock)". So, while 落としたら means "every time you fail to return the shuttlecock", 負けたら could mean "if you lose the game". It's the difference of frequency.

正月の羽根突きのシーンの描写では？;-)

Elizabeth · 6 Aug 2008

Toritoribe said:
In this case, 落とす literally means "to drop (the shuttlecock)". So, while 落としたら means "every time you fail to return the shuttlecock", 負けたら could mean "if you lose the game". It's the difference of frequency.
正月の羽根突きのシーンの描写では？;-)

But you can also say very normally like 戦を落とす or 試合を落とす？(more rare), right ? So it wouldn't be an expression limited to shuttlecock based games...

undrentide · 6 Aug 2008

Elizabeth said:
But you can also say very normally like 戦を落とす or 試合を落とす？(more rare), right ? So it wouldn't be an expression limited to shuttlecock based games...

Hmm, I've never heard of such phrases with 落とす...
Perhaps it is possible to use the word 落とす as a figurative way of expression, but at least it is not a normal expression at all.

Toritoribe · 6 Aug 2008

Elizabeth said:
But you can also say very normally like 戦を落とす or 試合を落とす？(more rare), right ? So it wouldn't be an expression limited to shuttlecock based games...

Yes, you're right. But IN THIS CASE, no. As the general rule in 羽根突き, you have to pay the penalty for every fails. Furthermore, the verb 落とす as the meaning of 負ける is hardly used for the "play" like this, not the games in the pro baseball league nor tennis tournament tour etc.

undrentideさん、大相撲の「星を落とす (取り組みに負ける)」と同じで(少なくとも僕は)結構使いますよ。「昨日の巨人戦落としたのは痛かった」とかね。;-)

undrentide · 6 Aug 2008

Toritoribe said:
Yes, you're right. But IN THIS CASE, no. As the general rule in 羽根突き, you have to pay the penalty for every fails. Furthermore, the verb 落とす as the meaning of 負ける is hardly used for the "play" like this, not the games in the pro baseball league nor tennis tournament tour etc.

undrentideさん、大相撲の「星を落とす (取り組みに負ける)」と同じで(少なくとも僕は)結構使いますよ。「昨日の巨人戦落としたのは痛かった」とかね。;-)

ああ、戦（いくさ）じゃなくて～戦（せん）ですね。
スポーツには疎いもので･･･

ご指摘ありがとうございました。

ということで、エリザベスさん、スポーツについては「落とす」を「負ける」の意味でよく使うようですので私のコメントはちょっと的外れでした。ごめんなさい。

And I agree with Toritobe san about the particular example - when I read the sentence, I also thought it is about hanetsuki because of the word "sumi", and thought 落とす literally means "drop" (the shuttle) while playing it.

Glenn · 6 Aug 2008

SEYZJP said:
Yeah it's like an immersion thing. Look it on wikipedia

What I never got was how you were supposed to learn abstract concepts, like conditionals or tense just from looking at pictures. Is there a more advanced one that has video? Or maybe before and after pictures, or something like that?

becki_kanou · 6 Aug 2008

SEYZJP said:
I have a few more translations if you all don't mind.
1.OTOKONOHITO GA UMA NO MIMI O SAWATTE IMASU
2.ITTOO NO UMA ISSHO NO KAUBOOI
3.NAGAKUTE KAARUGA KAKKATTA KUROI KAMIN0OKE O SHITE IRU NOWA DARE DESU KA?
can you please break down #3 phrase for phrase cause I am stumped.
arigato

#3
NAGAKUTE: This is the TE-form mentioned earlier but this time of an adjective (adjectives as well as verbs are conjugated in Japanese)

NAGAI= long, NAGAKUTE= long and...

KAARU GA KAKKATTA= curly

KUROI = black

KAMINOKE =hair

O =object marker

SHITEIRU= does /doing or in this case has/having

NO = nominalizer; turns the preceding description into one noun phrase
ie: The one with the long, curly, black hair

WA= topic marker

DARE =who

So...Who is the one (person) with the long, curly, black hair?

SEYZJP · 6 Aug 2008

becki_kanou, thanks again for your help. You are a really good teacher

Glenn, yeah I feel the same way. Rosetta Stone is great at learning vocab. I probably picked up about 200-300 vocab words and adjectives/adverbs, several ordinal numbers, and 20-30 verbs from just 3 or so weeks of having it. However, if it explained the concept of verbs, what they mean and how they are conjugated and such it could really accelerate the learning process. I feel the fact that I have to come on here and look through the internet for help with verb translations is a big road block in my learning process =/. Pimsleur is another good method but it comes much slower and is more time consuming.

Can anyone help me with these two sentences:

1.teeburu ni TSUITE imasu

(what does ni tsuite mean)

2.kodomo tachi wa NAWATOBI oshite ASONDE imasu

(nawatobi and asonde is where i am having trouble)

Thanks

Kirakira1232 · 6 Aug 2008

SEYZJP said:
becki_kanou, thanks again for your help. You are a really good teacher
Glenn, yeah I feel the same way. Rosetta Stone is great at learning vocab. I probably picked up about 200-300 vocab words and adjectives/adverbs, several ordinal numbers, and 20-30 verbs from just 3 or so weeks of having it. However, if it explained the concept of verbs, what they mean and how they are conjugated and such it could really accelerate the learning process. I feel the fact that I have to come on here and look through the internet for help with verb translations is a big road block in my learning process =/. Pimsleur is another good method but it comes much slower and is more time consuming.
Can anyone help me with these two sentences:
1.teeburu ni TSUITE imasu
(what does ni tsuite mean)
2.kodomo tachi wa NAWATOBI oshite ASONDE imasu
(nawatobi and asonde is where i am having trouble)
Thanks

tsuiteimasu - Progressive positive form of "Tsuku"
To sit at, to arrive.

Teeburu ni tsuiteimasu
Sitting at the table

Nawatobi - Skipping rope (both the item and the actual game)
Asondeimasu - playing (progressive positive form of "Asobu")

Toritoribe · 6 Aug 2008

LukeSettle said:
I have a questionnn
This is from tae kims guide, and i dont really get how its put together

先生だと、きっと年上なんじゃないですか？
If he's a teacher, he must be older for sure, right?

This is how i look at it seperating

sensei da to, kitto toshiue na njanai desuka?
I don't really get why there's a janai and a desu...
isnt janai the negative of desu :?
I think I hurried through the guide a little too fast...

You're right. じゃないです is the negative form of です. That sentence is not the interrogative but the indirect interrogative one. 年上なんじゃないですか？ literally means "He is older, isn't he?" So the translation ends with "right?"

hope this helps

AJBryant · 6 Aug 2008

Toritoribe said:
You're right. じゃないです is the negative form of です. That sentence is not the interrogative but the indirect interrogative one. 年上なんじゃないですか？ literally means "he is older, isn't he?" So the translation ends with "right?"

Actually, "じゃない" is the negative of "です."

じゃないです is something that was generally considered a mistake, but one hears it a lot as someone says じゃない, then realizes at the last minute that it's not as polite as they should be speaking, so they tack a ですon the end. What they SHOULD say, instead of じゃないです, is じゃありません.

Tony

Elizabeth · 7 Aug 2008

AJBryant said:
Actually, "じゃない" is the negative of "です."
じゃないです is something that was generally considered a mistake, but one hears it a lot as someone says じゃない, then realizes at the last minute that it's not as polite as they should be speaking, so they tack a ですon the end. What they SHOULD say, instead of じゃないです, is じゃありません.
Tony

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