Need a word or phrase translated?

Lotorie · 10 Dec 2007

Sorry to bother you, but really need help on this one.

1/ クレープデシンの人物プリントのシャツと、ダブルのべルト通しのついた平凡なジーンズだが、自然にしっくりと着込んでいる。

黒絹の帽子、手がきのブレスレット、白と黒のエナメルの細いべルト、その取合せの妙が憎い。

2/ フードつきの、ブルーデニムのマリニエール(セーラー型)。

マドラスチェックのバーミューダと、ビジエール(つばのある帽子)を合わせて。

フランスのジーンズは、モードの潮流と共にだんだんソフトになってきているが、リゾートには、こういったやさしいスタイルも見える。

中に着ているTシャツは、縞の水兵シャツ。

szikani · 10 Dec 2007

ajmd20 said:
Are you sure that wasn't くれてやればいい？

you're right, it was 'て', I've typed it wrongly ^^''

@Elizabeth - ありがとう now I understand it ^.^ I have to work with syntax more X___x

Elizabeth · 10 Dec 2007

Rize said:
Let's see.. this one: 僕にはアレがあるじゃないか?
is this mean something like this? : 'there is 'that' thing in (with?) me, isn't it! ' correct me if i'm wrong

アレ is used a lot to refer to sex organs so my guess is it's probably someone first learning about themselves...

Rize · 10 Dec 2007

orochi said:
>is there anyone can grasp the meaning of 戦闘不能 ?

Unable to fight. KO'd. Knocked out.

Thanks a lot ^_^

Elizabeth said:
アレ is used a lot to refer to sex organs so my guess is it's probably someone someone first learning about themselves...

ahh I see. but what if we change it into hiragana あれ, it means something else right? Just wanna know if my translation is correct or not. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Elizabeth · 10 Dec 2007

szikani said:
you're right, it was 'て', i've typed it wrongly ^^''
@elizabeth - ありがとう now i understand it ^.^ i have to work with syntax more X___x

I even set the sections off by commas to help you out. At least the order of those parts is pretty much the same as English...

Fuumei · 10 Dec 2007

山で行方がわからなくなった友人のことが心配でならない。

The "でならない。" means "cannot be worried (about my friend who has disappeared within the mountains)"

Correct? If anyone knows for sure, please let me know.

undrentide · 10 Dec 2007

Fuumei said:
山で行方がわからなくなった友人のことが心配でならない。
The "でならない。" means "cannot be worried (about my friend who has disappeared within the mountains)"
Correct? If anyone knows for sure, please let me know.

ならない has several meanings, in this case it should be translated as "cannot help ~ing".
心配でならない cannot help being worried.

Elizabeth · 10 Dec 2007

Rize said:
ahh I see. but what if we change it into hiragana あれ, it means something else right? Just wanna know if my translation is correct or not. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's the same basic meaning but I'll ask someone to make sure.

山で行方がわからなくなった友人のことが心配でならない。

The "でならない。" means "cannot be worried (about my friend who has disappeared within the mountains)"

Don't you need できない for cannot ?

Charles Barkley · 10 Dec 2007

Fuumei said:
山で行方がわからなくなった友人のことが心配でならない。

The "でならない。" means "cannot be worried (about my friend who has disappeared within the mountains)"

Correct? If anyone knows for sure, please let me know.

Although there are differences in the situations when you would use them, there are several words you put after the て form of a verb to indicate that you are overcome by feelings, sensations, emotions, etc. In this case, the person is overcome by worry about his poor missing friend.

They are

～てたまらない
～てしょうがない
～てならない

The first is more physical, think itching. The third is more emotional, psychological, think worry. しょうがない is perhaps somewhere in between?

Elizabeth · 10 Dec 2007

Charles Barkley said:
Although there are differences in the situations when you would use them, there are several words you put after the て form of a verb to indicate that you are overcome by feelings, sensations, emotions, etc. In this case, the person is overcome by worry about his poor missing friend.
They are
～てたまらない
～てしょうがない
～てならない
The first is more physical, think itching. The third is more emotional, psychological, think worry. しょうがない is perhaps somewhere in between?

They can all refer to an intolorable, overwhelming, difficult to resist or cannot help but feeling emotional state as well as a nearly physically unbearable or extreme condition (at least たまらない and ならない).

So while て堪らない is also very often used to indicate mental anguish it commonly translates with psuedo-physical metaphors, such as "itching" "dying" "aching" etc. because that is how they are brought to life in English.

There are existing threads out there somewhere on all these words...

Fuumei · 10 Dec 2007

undrentide said:
ならない has several meanings, in this case it should be translated as "cannot help ~ing".
心配でならない cannot help being worried.

Ah thank you for replying to my post so quickly Undrentide-san! I've already noted my textbook for future reference. I'm currently studying and translating the Kanji that I don't know from my JLPT Level 2 book, and I'm slowly making progress. Thanks again.

Thanks also to Charles Barkley-san and Elizabeth-san for their input as well.

Elizabeth · 10 Dec 2007

Fuumei said:
Ah thank you for replying to my post so quickly Undrentide-san! I've already noted my textbook for future reference. I'm currently studying and translating the Kanji that I don't know from my JLPT Level 2 book, and I'm slowly making progress. Thanks again.
Thanks also to Charles Barkley-san and Elizabeth-san for their input as well.

Oh, no problem. But if you meant it in the sense of "must not/under no conditions can/am forbidden from" which is also highly unusual unless it's a very formal religious dictate or something than I guess you'd want to say "心配してはなりません。" ですね。。。

Rize · 11 Dec 2007

anyone can grasp the meaning of these:

各自必要な物か?
特効薬は多めに
持っていたほうが
良さろうだな。。。

and

Paul-さんに相談してみないと。。

and

見まちがうはずもないわ。。

That;s all for now. Sorry for the many questions.
Thanks

Lotorie · 12 Dec 2007

Lotorie said:
Sorry to bother you, but really need help on this one.
1/ クレープデシンの人物プリントのシャツと、ダブルのべルト通しのついた平凡なジーンズだが、自然にしっくりと着込んでいる。
黒絹の帽子、手がきのブレスレット、白と黒のエナメルの細いべルト、その取合せの妙が憎い。
2/ フードつきの、ブルーデニムのマリニエール(セーラー型)。
マドラスチェックのバーミューダと、ビジエール(つばのある帽子)を合わせて。
フランスのジーンズは、モードの潮流と共にだんだんソフトになってきているが、リゾートには、こういったやさしいスタイルも見える。
中に着ているTシャツは、縞の水兵シャツ。

So I was asking for this one, but it's okay.
My teacher helped me translate it.

undrentide · 12 Dec 2007

Lotorie said:
So I was asking for this one, but it's okay.
My teacher helped me translate it.

From next time, please try to write your own attempt, even not complete, then people will offer help more readily.

Rize · 12 Dec 2007

Rize said:
Anyone can grasp the meaning of these:

各自必要な物か?
特効薬は多めに
持っていたほうが
良さろうだな。。。

- only necessary thing, huh?
Is it good if I carry specific medicine more than usual?

and

Paul-さんに相談してみないと。。
- please consult Paul-san...

and

見まちがうはずもないわ。。
-there is no way it could be mistaken...

That;s all for now. Sorry for the many questions.
Thanks

Sorry for forgetting to include my own translation. Hope you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.
Or any better translation is appreciated too thank you

Lotorie · 12 Dec 2007

undrentide said:
From next time, please try to write your own attempt, even not complete, then people will offer help more readily.

Oh, ok.
I didn't know.
I will do it next time.

Elizabeth · 13 Dec 2007

Rize said:
anyone can grasp the meaning of these:

（それは）各自必要な物か?

Is it necessary for each of them ?

Paul-さんに相談してみないと。。

You had better consult with Paul...

and

見まちがうはずもないわ。。

You can't mistake seeing them.

持っていたほうが
良さろうだな。。。

On the second, 良さろうだな。。。isn't a Japanese expression so I wasn't quite sure what you wanted to say. It seems to be a typo for 良さそうだな ??
In which case the translation should be more like "I wonder if you should have more of that wonder drug than usual ?"...

That;s all for now. Sorry for the many questions.
Thanks

No problem. I don't mind at all if they're short. If you're really going to ask a lot, though, including your own translation makes it more challenging for you and less stressful for the tutor.

Rize · 14 Dec 2007

Elizabeth said:
On the second, 良さろうだな。。。isn't a Japanese expression so I wasn't quite sure what you wanted to say. It seems to be a typo for 良さそうだな ??
In which case the translation should be more like "I wonder if you should have more of that wonder drug than usual ?"...

No problem. I don't mind at all if they're short. If you're really going to ask a lot, though, including your own translation makes it more challenging for you and less stressful for the tutor.

Oh my mistake~ yeah it is a typo so the meaning will be like that? i see.. thanks a lot for the correction Elizabeth-san~

I might post more and I hope you guys won't mind. I'll provide my own translation too if I don't forget. Hehe (was in hurry last time)
thanks again~

Niedy · 14 Dec 2007

久しぶり！

I was wondering: What would you say in Japanese if a customer asks something and you ask him to wait, while you ask someone who knows?

少々お待ちください。知ってます方に聞いてきます。 ??? Maybe also apologize for not knowing? 申し訳ございませんが存じません。少々お待ちくださったら、知ってます方に聞いてきます。 (the last part just sounds soooooooooo wrong ^^;;; )

and does またどうぞお越し下さいませ mean "Please come again" or something like that?

Thx for the help

Edit:

One more thing: How do you answer if someone asks you if they should give you a tip? (It's common in Austria, but not in Japan, so in restaurants they sometimes ask.) Would いただきます be rude?

undrentide · 14 Dec 2007

Niedy said:
久しぶり！
I was wondering: What would you say in Japanese if a customer asks something and you ask him to wait, while you ask someone who knows?
少々お待ちください。知ってます方に聞いてきます。 ??? Maybe also apologize for not knowing? 申し訳ございませんが存じません。少々お待ちくださったら、知ってます方に聞いてきます。 (the last part just sounds soooooooooo wrong ^^;;; )

方（かた） is 尊敬語, so you should say 者（もの） instead, as the one you're going to ask is on your part, not on customer's.
少々お待ちください。知っている者に聞いてきます。
but in this case I think わかる is more natural than 知っている.
少々お待ちください。わかる者に聞いてきます。
This is polite enough, but if you want to be even politer than this,
少々お待ちいただけますでしょうか。わかる者に聞いてまいりますので。

Niedy;537544 said:
and does またどうぞお越し下さいませ mean "Please come again" or something like that?

Yes. お越しください is similar to お出でください, a polite form of 来てください.
ませ makes it sounds very polite and courteous.

Niedy;537544 said:
One more thing: How do you answer if someone asks you if they should give you a tip? (It's common in Austria, but not in Japan, so in restaurants they sometimes ask.) Would いただきます be rude?

いただきます is not really rude but to me it somehow does not sound right.
I think the best way is to say どうもありがとうございます (with a bow if the place is rather a formal one.)
You can say ありがとうございます even when you're going to decline, then you can add
うれしいのですが、ここではチップはいただかないことになっておりますので、
お気持ちだけありがたく頂戴いたします
or something like that.

orochi · 14 Dec 2007

>少々お待ちいただけますでしょうか。わかる者に聞いてまいりますので。

This sounds a lot like a direct translation to me. Personally, I'd replace the second half with 確認（かくにん）いたしますので。

undrentide · 14 Dec 2007

orochi said:
>少々お待ちいただけますでしょうか。わかる者に聞いてまいりますので。
This sounds a lot like a direct translation to me. Personally, I'd replace the second half with 確認（かくにん）いたしますので。

I agree that 確認いたします is more common and maybe sounds more natural.
But to my Japanese ears 聞いてまいります is also valid.

Rize · 14 Dec 2007

Hi again,
I was wondering if anyone can notice the first kanji in this picture.
Not really sure what it is though... I know it's blurry but maybe you guys can expect what it is?
And for the translation, tell me if it's correct or wrong. Is it something like: "Nick.. I might get threaten...." ?

And the second one is this pic also, I kind didn't get the kanji word, hope you can help.

And the last one for now, also from a pic.
Does is it mean makka? red? Not sure if if it's the same as aka or akai.

Elizabeth · 15 Dec 2007

K-Young said:
A very small difference I feel...
会社にでる is "show oneself in the office." It sometimes implies the situation where he/she wants not to do so, or he/she is forced to do so.
日曜なのに、会社に出るよ嫌だな
出社する is almost the same meaning, but it is often used with a word or phrase of TIME.
今日は十時に出社します。
In a sentence using this phrase, WHEN is focused.

Well, not surprisingly this has come up ONCE AGAIN -- with a woman this time. Here is her take on the whole controversy:

普段余り会社に行かない人が行くとか、社長さんとか偉いさんが言いそうな感じですね。。
私は自分が会社に出るって言ったことありません。
男性的な言い方ともいえます。
普通に会話で言うときは「会社に行く」が一番無難でしょうね。
会議に参加する場合は、「会議に出る」とかは言います。

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