Need a word or phrase translated?

Oh my bad, The messages were so piled up and I didn't realize undrentide-san's message.
OK, thanks.

きゅうしょをやられたもんだからたまらない。

I need translation of this sentence and grammatical analysis of やられたもんだ, I think it is a verb, isn't it?

Zombina said:

Thank you so very much! This is going to be mega helpful and I hope that if I meet them, they'll be impressed that I'm attemping to talk to them in their language. ^__^ I'm sure it's hard for them to tour in a country where Japanese isn't really a big language, ha.


Oh, and just in case, how do I ask for their autograph? =]
Domo arigato for your help.

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I'm sure they'll be impressed and apprecaite it.
Sorry I could not reply earlier (has been away until now) I hope my answer is still in time...

When asking for their autograph, you can say
"koko ni sain itadake masuka?" (polite)
Could you give your autograph here? (point where you want it)
"koko ni sain kudasai" (casual)
Give me your autograph here!

hkBattousai said:

きゅうしょをやられたもんだからたまらない。
I need translation of this sentence and grammatical analysis of やられたもんだ, I think it is a verb, isn't it?

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It is a clause containing a verb.
やられたもんだ＝やられたものだ
もの here is to emphasise the feeling, also to state the reason.
Without もの, the meaning does not change, only the nuance.
やられたもんだから＝やられたから
やられた・もん（もの）・だ・から
やられた past form of やられる
やられる passive form of やる
もの (see the above)
だ assertion
から because (to state the reason)
急所（きゅうしょ）をやられたもんだからたまらない。
Being attached at his Achilles heel, he could not stand it.
(Found it too much to bear, yelped, surrendered, etc.)
きゅうしょ means Achilles heel, the weakest point of one's body.
やる means "to do", can be translated into various word depending on the context. (I translated as "attack" because of the word 急所.)
たまらない means cannot bear, cannot stand, something is so extreme.
It can be used for either positive/negative meaning.

undrentide said:

I'm sure they'll be impressed and apprecaite it.
Sorry I could not reply earlier (has been away until now) I hope my answer is still in time...

When asking for their autograph, you can say
"koko ni sain itadake masuka?" (polite)
Could you give your autograph here? (point where you want it)
"koko ni sain kudasai" (casual)
Give me your autograph here!

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Arigato Gozaimasu! You did reply in time, and thankfully I remembered to look before I left.
Thanks again. =]

きゅうしょ means Achilles heel, the weakest point of one's body.

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To elaborate on undrentide's explanation, "kyusho" is certainly the most vulnerable part of the body. It is very often translated into "Achilles' heel" in dictionaries because that was so in the well-known Greek legend.

However, "kyusho" in Japanese does not necessarily refer to the anatomical Achilles' heel. In the case of males, the word is very often used to refer to the male genitalia.
:emoji_blush:

Ok

kool, I am looking for a phrase. " All works out " goes like everything was expected u know what I mean? It would be a great help if I got this.

chado72 said:

kool, I am looking for a phrase. " All works out " goes like everything was expected u know what I mean? It would be a great help if I got this.

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Without context I can give you only somewhat vague answer, and it may not be the most appropriate, but you can say, for example, "subete umaku iku" (which means everything will be OK).

What do the seperate words..

Nande
Byaku
Gan
Sharin

..mean ?

(Is it too obvious that we are Naruto fans ? )

Naruto - Wikipedia
Naruto - Wikipedia

nande = 何（なん）で
何 means "what", and で has a meaning of "by means"
So 何で may mean one of the followings :
-Why did you do that?
-Why did you said that?
-Why did it come out to be like this?

Thanks, brother. But is it just a coincidence that you made up past tense sentences using "nande", or is it particularly used in past tense sentences ?

What's more, we use "ne" for "nan" in Japanese. And "Neden" (=Why) comes from "Ne + den". And "-den" means "by means" (as well as "from") in Turkish as well. Nande and Neden resemble each other so much.

So "Byaku" means "White".. I am currently interested in the similarities betwen Japanese and Turkish, as Prof. Oktay Sinanoglu pointed out. "Ak" and "Beyaz" both somehow sound similar to "Byaku". Although I'm sure that "Ak" is pure Turkish, I couldn't find out much about the etymology of the word "Beyaz". "Kuro" and the Turkish for it "Kara" already sound like each other. Seems I need to look around more.

Tekrar teşekkürler.

Jiyuu said:

Thanks, brother. But is it just a coincidence that you made up past tense sentences using "nande", or is it particularly used in past tense sentences ?

What's more, we use "ne" for "nan" in Japanese. And "Neden" (=Why) comes from "Ne + den". And "-den" means "by means" (as well as "from") in Turkish as well. Nande and Neden resemble each other so much.

So "Byaku" means "White".. I am currently interested in the similarities betwen Japanese and Turkish, as Prof. Oktay Sinanoglu pointed out. "Ak" and "Beyaz" both somehow sound similar to "Byaku". Although I'm sure that "Ak" is pure Turkish, I couldn't find out much about the etymology of the word "Beyaz". "Kuro" and the Turkish for it "Kara" already sound like each other. Seems I need to look around more.
Tekrar teşekkürler.

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Hi Jiyuu,

It is very interesting to make comparison of two languages and find similarities to find the relationship of them (if any). But when you are serious and want to do it academically/scientifically, you have to be very careful for chosing words to compare.

Byaku is one of the possible pronunciation for the kanji 白 which means white, but you also have to note that the sound is not originally Japanese but Chinese.
White in Japanese (original) is しろ (shiro) which is quite different from byaku.
The kanji 白 was imported from China and adapted to Japanese word しろ,
and with this letter its Chinese pronunciation (haku, byaku, paku) was also imported.

There's another kanji which can be pronounced "byaku", it is 百 hyaku (means "hundred"). When it has a preceeding kanji with certain pronunciation, its pronunciation changes from "hyaku" to "byaku".
It also is the pronunciation brought from Chinese language.

Nande means why or how, but it is not a word but a phrase, nan (what) + de (with).
Also nan is a contracted form of 何 nani.

Another two words you've listed, Gan and Sharin, I don't think they are originally Japanese.
There are many kanji with this pronunciation, 癌 雁 願 元 岸 顔 眼 just for example, and the pronunciation of gan for them are all came from Chinese language.

Sharin is most likely 車輪 (wheel) whose pronunciation also from Chinese.

I don't know how high the possibility that two languages has the same origin, but if you really want to compare them, learn more about Japanese language and use only its original words, otherwise your comparison won't make sense.

There are many interesting but definitely coincidental "similar words" between Japanese and many other languages. I'm sure you want to avoid such examples.

Sótalan (Hungarian, meaning saltless) sounds very close to
塩足らん (Japanese, lack of salt) shio taran
Name (German, meaning name) naame sounds similar to
名前 (Japanese, name) namae (a but slangish pronunciation of namae)
Ach so (German) which sounds extremely like
あ、そう (Japanese) - it means "I see" in both languages.

Jiyuu said:

Thanks, brother. But is it just a coincidence that you made up past tense sentences using "nande", or is it particularly used in past tense sentences ?

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何で is very casual, childish-sounding in certain contexts, for "why" "how" or "how come?" It isn't attached or related to the predicate in any way.

Turkish languages | Japan Forum if you're interested in a deeply linguistic earlier thread on Turkish language families.

undrentide,

You are absolutely right. I'm noone but a lingu-o-phile who can figure out which language a word is of right after hearing it, researching about the etymological and phonetic structure of words and languages. It's just an amateur interest which I am highly keen on and able to learn more.

That's at least a good point to start learning about Japanese. So can you clearly differentiate which word is genuine Japanese or Chinese? It seems so, then, what are the Japanese words to define these two different origins, if there are any ? The Turkish language used in modern Turkey is a mixture of Turkish, Arabic and Persian intensely, for example. In Turkish, we can differentiate the words if they come from "Turkce", "Arapca" or "Farsca". Arabic and Farssi (Persian) words are of the heritage from the Ottoman language. In fact we sometimes prefer a brief way to define such words as being Ottoman (=Osmanlica)

"Neden" -the word I compared to "Nande" can be told to be a phrase according to your deformation of the word. Though you'd get an answer saying "it is a word" if asked anyone, Neden comes from Ne + den, literally speaking "What + by means".

For your examples at the end of your post, we have been taught in our history lessons that Hungarians and the Finnish have Turkic roots. Hungarians were heavily Slav-ized though. So, assuming that there is a connection, there's no reason for the word to have remained similar in both languages, being modified according to the throat structure and cultural exchanges made for centuries.

"Name" is a very common Indo-European word to identify the subject-specific word to call a person. We have it from Persian used as "Nam" which is used "having a well known name/fame" rather than the actual meaning of it. But the meaning is still the same in context. And I noticed that since a lot of words from English was nearly identically adopted into Japanese, the word "name"s integration is not a distinct possibility, is it ?

Anyway, I think I need to point out that the reason I'm trying to see if there are really similarities between the two languages is since Prof. Oktay Sinanoglu had made such claims depeding on academical researches published in his "Bye Bye Turkce" (ironically named "Bye Bye Turkish") book. I just would not lie to sound like one that pyramids were built up by aliens. I needed to clarify about this after reading the thread Elizabeth gave link of. One friend there from Russia extended such language-linkings' reasonings' bases to political, national or simply emotional purposes -which he's not mostly wrong about.

Elizabeth, thanks for the link, been quite a review to know what had been productively debated.

So do the Japanese have a phrase or word meaning "What for" (somehow ending up in a meaning like "why") ?

hi and thank you in advance for answering my questions:
1) what is the name for the little paper boxes that fit inside each other becoming smaller and smaller?
2) is there a significance to the number of boxes that fit together?

3) the kanji character that is my avatar means "love" I am told.
is it love between friends, love between a man and a woman, or some other definition of love?

thank you!

I'm not sure about this word.
たか。

like in this sentence,
たかが中学生、俺に勝てるわけがない。

correct me if this example is weird.

So, what does this word come from?
高、鷹、or 多寡 ?

@ yoocher
AFAIK,
愛 is used to express love in general.
恋 is love between a man and a woman. (romantic love?)

Nagato said:

I'm not sure about this word.
たか。
like in this sentence,
たかが中学生、俺に勝てるわけがない。
correct me if this example is weird.
So, what does this word come from?
高、鷹、or 多寡 ?

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たかが is one word. With kanji it is 高が but normally it is written in kana.
It means "mere(ly)", "only", "nothing but" to say someone/something is trifle.

For some reason I felt like I had asked this before, but apparently not since I had not written any notes regarding it in my book:

日本で3番目に大きいヘリポートになります。

I'm not quite sure why "de" is used here. Maybe to signify the action of "becoming a heliport"? Also, the "に" in 3番目に is used here for what exactly? If there had not been a particle there I would have though it to be normal, as in counting the number of "big heliports".

Fuumei said:

For some reason I felt like I had asked this before, but apparently not since I had not written any notes regarding it in my book:
日本で3番目に大きいヘリポートになります。
I'm not quite sure why "de" is used here. Maybe to signify the action of "becoming a heliport"? Also, the "に" in 3番目に is used here for what exactly? If there had not been a particle there I would have though it to be normal, as in counting the number of "big heliports".

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It isn't counted as the third big heliport, though, but the third largest within the country. 日本で3番目の大ヘリポートになります would make it more pleasant for me as well, but the に is just one more of those things to memorize...

I still don't understand either why 三つ目 is a mistake in this situation....

Jiyuu said:

You are absolutely right. I'm noone but a lingu-o-phile who can figure out which language a word is of right after hearing it, researching about the etymological and phonetic structure of words and languages. It's just an amateur interest which I am highly keen on and able to learn more.

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Hmm, it's not what I was talking about... it does not matter whether you are an expert or amatuer. The main point is, when you are really interested in comparison of two languages, you should know the languages to a certain level, and be very careful which words to compare, in what way.

Jiyuu said:

So can you clearly differentiate which word is genuine Japanese or Chinese? It seems so, then, what are the Japanese words to define these two different origins, if there are any ?

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Most kanji compound words are of Chinese origin. Original Japanese words are called Yamato kotoba.
Some of the features of yamatokotoba:
- does not begin with d- g- z- b- p-
- does not begin with r-
- when two more words are combined to make another word, conjugation occurs.

Jiyuu said:

For your examples at the end of your post, we have been taught in our history lessons that Hungarians and the Finnish have Turkic roots. Hungarians were heavily Slav-ized though. So, assuming that there is a connection, there's no reason for the word to have remained similar in both languages, being modified according to the throat structure and cultural exchanges made for centuries.

"Name" is a very common Indo-European word to identify the subject-specific word to call a person. We have it from Persian used as "Nam" which is used "having a well known name/fame" rather than the actual meaning of it. But the meaning is still the same in context. And I noticed that since a lot of words from English was nearly identically adopted into Japanese, the word "name"s integration is not a distinct possibility, is it ?

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I'm afraid that you missed my points.
The examples I mentioned are nothing but coincidence.
If you try to find something where there's none, then it will prove nothing.
It will make your attempt pointless.
That's why I'm saying that you have to be careful chosing the words.

Fuumei said:

For some reason I felt like I had asked this before, but apparently not since I had not written any notes regarding it in my book:

日本で3番目に大きいヘリポートになります。

I'm not quite sure why "de" is used here. Maybe to signify the action of "becoming a heliport"? Also, the "に" in 3番目に is used here for what exactly? If there had not been a particle there I would have though it to be normal, as in counting the number of "big heliports".

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I think Elizabeth already answered your questions, so I'm just adding a sort of side note:

で of 日本で indicate the place. Normally "in" Japan, but in this context "within" Japan. And it does not modify the verb なります but the clause ３番目に大きい. (So it does not matter whether the verb is static or dynbamic.)

に of ３番目に is a particle to make ３番目 into adverb.
３番目 means the third, it's a noun.
By adding の, you can make it into (a kid of) adjective
e.g.
左から３番目のエレベーターに乗ってください。
And by adding に, you can make it into adverb.
e.g.
最後から３番目に到着した。
この町で３番目に小さい家

インタビューで聞いた話しか書かれていない。
I'm stuck at the "ka"... I thought maybe its something along the lines of: "There was more said than actually written down." But I really don't know what the "ka" means...
this sentence comes from an exercise... there's an article and you have to tick off if those (like the one above) sentences characterise the article...
if it helps, those are the other 3 sentences (which I understand):
文体が統一されている。
話し言葉が使われている部分がある。
インタビューした場所について書かれている部分がある。


and independent from the above

自分で自分のことができるようになってはじめて、人のことも考えられるようになるのではないだろうか。

You should at least be able to do your stuff on your own before you think about others. <-- my guess

Thanks.

インタビューで聞いた話しか書かれていない。

しか means "only".
Only what heard at the interview is written.
(i.e. nothing from other sources.)


自分で自分のことができるようになってはじめて、人の ことも考えられるようになるのではないだろうか。

～てはじめて・・・・ It's only after ~ that ...
It is only after one becomes take care of oneself that one can consider others.
(While one cannot deal with his own business, he cannot think about others.)

Not really good English, I hope I can convey you the basic idea...?

undrentide said:

インタビューで聞いた話しか書かれていない。

しか means "only".
Only what heard at the interview is written.
(i.e. nothing from other sources.)

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ok... you can call me blind XD I put the "shi" with hanashi... stupid me... shika actually makes sense thanks

自分で自分のことができるようになってはじめて、人の ことも考えられるようになるのではないだろうか。

～てはじめて・・・・ It's only after ~ that ...
It is only after one becomes take care of oneself that one can consider others.
(While one cannot deal with his own business, he cannot think about others.)

Not really good English, I hope I can convey you the basic idea...?

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I was close... I think... thanks a lot

Niedy said:

ok... you can call me blind XD I put the "shi" with hanashi... stupid me...

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You are most certainly not stupid.
hanashi is sometimes written 話 and sometimes 話し
The way to know which one it was in your sentence is context. (Just another way that Japanese can be confusing at times!)