Elizabeth said:In a sentence like this, communicating a request or relaying a message,
you ni is used as an indirect command to paraphrase the direct quotation.
Glenn said:That to is the "and" to, and the de is the "by means of" de. So it's more like "the conversation advances by the speaker's story and the listener's aizuchi." Not a good translation, but you get the point, right?
Thank you in advance!Even when we don't see eye to eye
we ' re always heart to heart
たとえ、意見が一致しないときでも(しないとも?) 私達の心は、常に一緒です。(?)Kennin said:Can somebody help me with a translation of this quote please:
Thank you in advance!
See eye to eye in English and as an extension the Japanese translation are nearly always metaphorical for agreement or harmony of opinions, do you mean more like "even if we are not face to face" ? I'm sure there are more literal translations, how much sense it will make I can't vouch for in advance.Kennin said:Thank you already.
Yet: "agreeing" is not what is meant, I guess. "Even when we don't see eye to eye" means more like "even when we are far apart", "even if we are not together", I think.
Furthermore, I sense "heart to heart" and "eye to eye" as being the strength of the quote. Isn't there a way to translate "heart to heart" and "eye to eye" more literally?
Kennin said:Thank you already.
Yet: "agreeing" is not what is meant, I guess. "Even when we don't see eye to eye" means more like "even when we are far apart", "even if we are not together", I think.
If that is the core meaning, I still can't be sure this is what the OP wants to hear....but how do these sound to everyone as possibilities ? Not as elegant as the first try in my opinion.KrazyKat said:I am afraid that, as Elizabeth has said, seeing eye to eye means to agree on an issue.
I interpreted your quote as meaning "even if we don't agree on every issue, we are both working together for the same thing" (although I wasn't quite sure exactly what heart to heart means) It sounds like you wanted to say "Even when we are far apart, it feels as if you are here beside me"?
Yeah, the latter I was sort of making up as I went along so any problems there won't be awfully surprisingGlenn said:I think that たとえ一緒いなくても is better than たとえ、一緒にいないときでも. Also, たとえ私達は遠く離れていても is better than たとえ、私達は、遠 く離れているとも, but I'm not sure that either is really right. Of course, I could be wrong, too...
Yes, I don't pretend to appreciate the distinction with "ni mo" butGlenn said:The whole phrase (たとえ一緒にいない時でも) came from a response that NANGI posted? If so, then I concede. I guess it's my non-native intuition getting in the way (and I don't recall having ever seen that before).
私の心はエリのものkanji for "my heart belongs to Eri"
Also, is there a Japanese saying or proverb, or a common historical reference related to when two people want to be together, but circumstances beyond their control prevent that from being a possibility? Is there a phrase or character that conveys "a love not possible" or something along those lines? Sorry, I know this is a bit vague... imagine two people head over heels for each other, but one of them has already been promised to another and therefore they cannot be together kind of thing...