All I can imagine is that he may have seen one of your chat translation posts and mistook it for your own ? Or maybe when you ask how to use rude and nasty expressions in Japanese ? I worry about it ( 気になるのは ) sometimes in English, but not so far in Japanese....GoldCoinLover said:Thank you, I recently got a merry christmas message from a japanese friend. He told me I (or him) wouldn't stay in touch. He said my japanese has improved ,but he also mentioned violence? I see this word, being used a lot. Do you have any idea he means?
気になるのは、乱暴な日本語になっていることですね。
Genki nina runo wa(ha), (violent??) na nihongo ninna, teirugotodesune.
hebiichigo said:I think they are worried that your Japanese is becoming 'rude', by the kind of words you are using.
GoldCoinLover said:When some of the japanese told me to go to heck (I won't say the word), yeah I was rude, but only to those who are that way to me.
mikecash said:This is an example of what I was talking about when I said a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
You can be rude (or perceived as rude) without even meaning to in a foreign language/culture. For example, let's take a look at one of your recent comments to Nangi: 日本語をべんきょうしろよ
Care to guess what's rude about it?
You were trying to say "need to study Japanese" or " need to study Japanese more" ? :? For more you need もっと。GoldCoinLover said:I have no clue. Someone on a chatroom told me to "Study japanese more!" and then said it in japanese. I thought that was the same comment to me, so what i was trying to say is, "I need to study japanese" more to NANGI.
mikecash said:Start to get the picture, Kevin?
Elizabeth said:You were trying to say "need to study Japanese" or " need to study Japanese more" ? :? For more you need もっと。
In this case 勉強しろよ is a rather rude command "Study more !" so what you ended up telling NANGI was to "study Japanese!". "I need to (have to, must) study Japanese more" is 日本語をもっとべんきょうしなければなりません。 This may not come until the middle or end of your first book, though, so don't worry about it too much now. Hehe, a language works in strange and mysterious ways sometimes....(especially Japanese). ;--)
It isn't hard, I just thought it was kind of a funny mistake. The subject is understand to be you, although you might want to make it clear next time you send NANGI something off a chat line.GoldCoinLover said:It really doesn't seem that hard. Although I'm not sure why you used 'wo' ast he object marker as Nihongo seems to be the topic, or subject, unless it was understood to be.
なければなりません = must do
motsuto = not sure
It should be arimasen (not/don't have) -- but it wasn't used here....and I don't think it is a copula like desu, just a regular verb. Narimasen is the negative form of the verb "naru" (to become). If I don't do it, it won't become (in other words, I must). Just remember it as a complete phrase.rimasen = the copula, verb. See this particular one a lot it a lot, not sure what it means. Although I should.
I think so to. Sometimes it is えっ？？？What does え？？！ mean? I assume, like "WHAT??" I just saw it in an advertisement.
Do you have something arranged for certain with him ? I still think your library can get one (from another library) if you have all the information on what you're looking for. Getting a job might be good work too and even supply some money for a class...GoldCoinLover said:Yes, japanese is a hard language, I knew that already. I still hope Cacawata will send me that book, ☝
Elizabeth said:Do you have something arranged for certain with him ? I still think your library can get one (from another library) if you have all the information on what you're looking for. Getting a job might be good work too and even supply some money for a class...ﾂ
GoldCoinLover said:Sorry if I misinterupteted this, but lately mikecash it seems like you are trying to DISCOURAGE me from studying the language.
Elizabeth said:GCL -- I just checked the online catalog of the Glendale Public Library and there are several Japanese textbooks for beginners, including multiple copies of Japanese for Busy People, listed there. You may have gone to a branch location and not found anything, but even there Iwould be surprised. Isn't Glendale a fairly major metropolitan suberb ?
So working in a library myself, naturally that is my first recommendation. Please show some initiative by talking again to a librarian about obtaining relevant book or AV materials and worry about a class or making friends in a chatroom or whatever after you've gotten some experience under your belt.
I always appreciate your contributions, gcl, and think you definately have something to add hereMaybe I will post here agin once I learn the language better, as in, understand it MUCH better, since I'm truly not appreciated here.
Understanding, written and orally, basic sentences, paragraphs and dialogues. Being able to create simple sentences and express basic ideas from memory. Knowing 'emergency' or 'survival' Japanese -- enough phrases to ask directions and get yourself out of an unexpected situation. Would all be topics covered in a good introductory book or class.Since everyone here tends to think I know NOTHING, which simply is not true, I do know 'the basics':
1) I know some kanji
2) I know hiragana
3) I know katakana
4) I know how to prounouce japanese orally
5) I know many of the basic particles
Elizabeth said:Understanding, written and orally, basic sentences, paragraphs and dialogues. Being able to create simple sentences and express basic ideas from memory. Knowing 'emergency' or 'survival' Japanese -- enough phrases to ask directions and get yourself out of an unexpected situation. Would all be topics covered in a good introductory book or class.
Uhm your struggles with particles are from not studying and practicing. You have a general idea of particles but I think your choosing some bad words. Just stick to simple things like you said.GoldCoinLover said:Ahhh, okay. I'm glad you care, elizabeth-san, this makes me feel wanted here
I do some 'emergency phrases', "Where is it?" "Doko desu ka?" , etc
But I can't put simple sentences together. Why? Because I can't seem to findt he right particles to use
By the way, I just called the japan american society where I live. A man called me back, and said they are going to japan soon. They said I'm welcome to come. But I can't afford, it hehe.
He's been there 20 times, and he can speak it, and read it fluently! I think he's american, he seemed happy I was interested in it, and said for me to call him back at 7:00 PM today and we can talk some japanese.
He also said he is a master of the katana, and japanese swordsmanship. He teaches karate (Ive taken it before, when i was 7, this is how i began interestd in japanese). He said a naitve japanese person is going to teach japanese in a few days, and I'm welcome to come. I will have to get a job, though, because my parents can't pay for it, nor can I.
All you need to do is say what you want in English, as much of the Japanese as you know and we will fill in the rest. Particles are hard because they rely more on intention, feeling and context than in English. Like what we use intonation or articles like "a" and "the" to emphasize or a part of the sentence or introduce a topic or subject, Japanese uses particles. I'm sure any problem you've had someone else has had the exact same issue. Everyone here struggles with it on a daily basis in fact.GoldCoinLover said:Ahhh, okay. I'm glad you care, elizabeth-san, this makes me feel wanted here
I do some 'emergency phrases', "Where is it?" "Doko desu ka?" , etc
But I can't put simple sentences together. Why? Because I can't seem to findt he right particles to use.