Memorizing Kanji

Survey of who? People who has done RTK or people who has never even heard of it? There are pretty of people who has learnt 2000+ kanjis within 6 months on Koohii. (3000 is when you also do RTK3 btw)

Congratulations for hijacking this thread and insulting me for no apparent reason other than your own ignorance.

When you are learning Japanese as L2, you don't have the luxuries of 5+13+4 years of education.

I think it's time for you to stop reply to thread about RTK, you study kanji 5 years ago, you never study RTK and you have no idea what you're talking about, I think you should retire. It's like I'm talking to a rock. And after my previous posts, you still do not know the purpose of RTK. I'm done talking to you.

As someone who teaches language, and someone who has studied, my informed opinion is that it's stupid to expect someone to learn 2000 kanji in six months, if you want to actually know and understand them in a meaningful way.

As an anecdote, at the breakfast table I told my wife about the angry man on the Japanese forum who thinks you should learn 2000 kanji in six months, and that you're dumb if you don't, and as she laughed out loud, she concisely described it, "バカ."

FWさん、荒らしとかやめてくださいませんか？ これ、覚えてますか？

FinancialWar said:

sh1t, I failed, I'm gonna troll less and study more from now on.

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The concept of RTK seems to work quite well for some people but it is not for everybody, and I've seen people take a lot longer than three months. There's a lot of this idea that knowing all the joyo kanji is necessary to "read Japanese", often coupled with bad use of statistics (the idea that there's so many kanji in a text == you must know all of them to read that text).

There are "RTK Lite" lists which I think are a much better idea. All you really need to is to get yourself over the hump, somewhere between 500 to 1000ish (if your vocab/grammar are also up to scratch) to the point where you can actually start reading. You should keep studying kanji after that, of course, but this idea that you must know all the joyo is, I think, only putting roadblocks in front of learners who then get intimidated by all these large numbers and the idea that they must learn them in the next three months or they're somehow "slow".

The joyo is a list produced by the Ministry of Education (there are similar lists of Hanzi in many Chinese-speaking countries), for the purpose of deciding what kids will be tested on in school. It is not legally binding in general life (a few governmental/official situations excluded). It is not produced for the sake of foreign learners and is actually not that useful for them, since it contains a lot of kanji which aren't actually that "general" (for example, all the kanji used in the Japanese constitution have to be on there).

Newspapers --> mostly based on the joyo with some modifications. The publishers have their own guidelines (for example most don't use 又 for また and many do include 炒める with kanji).
Other publishers --> some stick to it (or to the age-appropriate kanji), but not all - depends on the genre and intended audience. (Of course, non-joyo with furigana are also common)
Games --> kids games might stick to some subset of the joyo but a lot of stuff contains at least some non-joyo (especially on the indie/amateur side of things)
Internet in general --> なにそれｗｗｗｗｗｗ知らんｗｗｗｗ

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Mike Cash said:

Just how is the OP being served by having her thread used to air long-standing personality conflicts?

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You could very well ask yourself that here, as once again it is YOU engaging in the exact same behavior.

Actually, I was mainly speaking about a realistic pace for studying kanji, while being belittled for my supposed intellectual limitations.