I apologize for my sloppy Japanese. However, I disagree with Glenn that it is nonsensical. Not everything has to be PERFECT, basically, you can use 上手 as being skilled if you want to, you don't have to use 正しい
It was nonsensical in the strictest sense of the word; it didn't make sense. It certainly couldn't be read to mean any of the things you said it could mean. Just because
you intended it to mean a certain thing doesn't mean
others are going to be able to figure out what you were talking about when the grammar is so far off and you use 上手 to mean "correct".
Not only do you not have to use 正しい to mean "skilled", you
can't use 正しい to mean "skilled". 正しい and 上手 are nowhere near being the same thing. That makes as much sense as saying, "You don't have to use 'cat' to mean 'apple' if you don't want to."
Basically, in a real life situation, where two people are talking, you don't STOP what you're talking about and say "oh you meant to say this and this."
When things are so garbled as to be incomprehensible you most certainly DO stop and try to figure out where the conversational train jumped the tracks.
No, you keep talking because you both get what you're talking about. Stop being grammar fanatics and start using Japanese like a language.
I started using Japanese like a language when I was nineteen years old. I'm forty-six now. My Japanese is not perfect, but it feeds, clothes, and shelters a family of four. I make my living in a 100 percent Japanese-only work environment. My children are monolingual Japanese speakers.
Not to sound like a total snot here, but the day I need somebody to tell me about using Japanese like a language I will be sure to let you know so you can give me some useful pointers on the topic.
For example, we're conversating in English, you don't just discontinue the conversation and say "Oh I think you meant to say TO WHOM" unless you want to sound like a complete bafoon.
It is true that one should not be uptight about getting every little thing perfect. People who do that tend never to make any progress, in no small part due to being too paralyzed with fear to speak and get any meaningful practice. The way we get better is by first screwing up
a lot.
But neither should one go to the opposite extreme which seems to characterize your output: complete disregard for getting the grammar right. You can't just string Japanese words together and assume that everybody can understand what you're talking about. Grammar is the set of rules by which we all know how the elements of sentences relate to each other and by which we convey and interpret information. Throwing words together without regard to grammar is one step above caveman grunts. Grammatical elements have their own functions and convey different information. When you use them in some way other than how everybody else understands them the result is that your meaning gets misconstrued or what you say is simply unintelligible.
You remind me of a couple of Japanese guys I taught English years ago. They were both very fluent (in that their speech flowed effortlessly) but they were also of the opinion that grammar wasn't important. One guy used the present progressive verb tense for
everything. The other guy just didn't care about verb tenses at all. Neither gave a damn about prepositions. Despite the smooth flow of speech, it was hard as hell to follow what they were talking about much of the time.
英語見たいなの？ 本当言う事もう簡単けど、 英語の説明もう混乱だよう。 何で言うから英語を話せるなの、 このフレーズが無理じゃないよ、
I had to spend much of a whole day trying to figure out what you were trying to say there. I ended up trying to deconstruct it based on a knowledge of English, personal experience with learning Japanese, and just plain old blind guessing.
"Isn't it like English? To tell the truth, it's easy. English explanations just confuse things. The reason I phrase things like this is because I speak English."
That's my guess.
What it
actually sounds like, though, is:
"Is it like English? Telling the truth is easy, English explanations are mixed up. Because why I say I can speak English, this phrase isn't impossible."
The people who have to struggle to figure out what a person who doesn't give a crap about putting their sentences together in an intelligible manner is trying to say. The people who would rather not sound like
buffoons when
conversing in a foreign language.
If I worried about how I sounded all of the time, worrying about sounding like "You, me, good, yes!?" then I would never learn anything.
Unfortunately, your disregard for the importance of grammar and its function in facilitating communication means that everything you've posted on JREF in Japanese so far
DOES sound like "You, me, good, yes!?" It is questionable if you have indeed learned anything or not yet. You've certainly
mislearned a lot. The impression is of someone who has been learning exclusively from comic books and a dictionary.
Always study, but if you don't get a grammar concept, don't pull your hair out, it'll click eventually. Just continue reading supplemental materials until you feel more familiar with the grammar concepts before reviewing.
There's no non-nasty way to ask this, but could you tell us some of the grammar concepts which have "clicked" for you so far? I can't spot a single one that you've used correctly here.
You misuse は and が. You seem to think よ and よう are the same thing. You totally misuse verb+事. I get the idea you don't know that から comes
after a reason, and not before as in English. For some reason 上手 and 正しい are interchangeable in your mind. In another thread, despite being a female you refer to yourself as both 僕 and わし.
You're all over the map to the point that nobody can figure out what you're trying to say. Glenn has been a serious student of Japanese for many years and is quite knowledgeable and he couldn't understand you. I'm about as immersed in Japanese as you can get without actually being Japanese....have been for a couple of decades....I couldn't figure out what you were saying. Toritoribe is a native Japanese speaker and
he couldn't figure out what you were saying.
You might want to give some consideration to the possibility that the problem doesn't lie with the people who can't understand what you're trying to say, but with your devil-may-care attitude toward the nuts-n-bolts grammar of constructing intelligible sentences. You've ignored or left for later so much of the basic material out of an eagerness to rush forward that you have totally hobbled your ability to communicate. You need to get some good primary learning materials (textbooks and drill material) and go back and do the grunt work of learning it and at least semi-mastering it before dashing on to the next and sexier thing. Any effort you put into learning more new stuff with your inadequate grasp of the basics is going to be nothing but wasted effort. The biggest favor you can do yourself would be to go back to square one and start over again.
At the very least you could do us the courtesy of not coming into a thread where someone is specifically asking for help understanding a grammatical concept and telling us that grammar doesn't matter. Your unintelligible examples served as a perfect example of why it
does matter.
Just one point. You need to use が instead of を in the second sentence.
