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[Danny om]

Hezam, you seem like a nice kid, but damn boy!!

i meant UK,your country killed millions of people around the world..do you refuse that ?
if America or UK or any country Occupied my country and if i have not any other way to defind my land i will bomb my self on the soldiers.there is a price for the freedom,no one should teach people what they should do..though those innocent muslims or not, children, women, civilians will live a Miserable live under the Occupation. ( Be more realistic ).

The French Resistance would be regarded as terrorists, no doubt about that. But truck bombs outside of market places, mosques and people queueing for work?!?

I never agreed to this filthy war (along with countless others). Cruelty be-gets cruelty.

Resistance to oppression does not come from any religious doctrine, that just creates more death, pain and suffering. It is our human spirit that will set us free.

Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true.

Martin Luther King

 

[Hezam]

Thanks Danny om,

Science is a continuing effort to discover and increase human knowledge and understanding through disciplined research. Using controlled methods, scientists collect observable evidence of natural or social phenomena, record measurable data relating to the observations, and analyse this information to construct theoretical explanations of how things work.

Yes,and this is what Quran orders us to do,Quran explained some facts witch proofed by Science this dyas.
Dont misunderstand Islam,it's not some belives,but also it's not a Science book but it includs Science and facts and belives and social life..etc.

Religion does not do this (notice how I did`nt point my finger at just Islam, they are all tools of social control)

I admire your polite debate and i understand your point,but in some religions the science is Forbidden but in Islam we ordered to search in the space/earth and recognize it.
I dont claim that Islam is a scientific religion but it support the science to find the truth,like NASA and Medical Labs,Inventions..etc.

But truck bombs outside of market places, mosques and people queueing for work?!?

There are crimes and people who do that should be killed or go to Prisons..
If some people missed the real goal of their religion or belives we should not called them in the name of their religion/belives.and we should not blame the whole country for few bad people.

Resistance to oppression does not come from any religious doctrine, that just creates more death, pain and suffering. It is our human spirit that will set us free.

That's true,and i want to add "Islam forbids killing women,children,and innocent people even in war"
Some idiots use their religions to reach their selfish goals.

Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true.

I agree with him,but we should hate the evil acts,crimes,all bad things,but we cant judge what is good and what is bad,so this is the hard part.

Thanks Danny om.

 

[Danny om]

.Your responses has proved my point. Completely in-the-box and unable to let go of the need to rely on your religious doctrine.

 

[Tsuyoiko]

.Your responses has proved my point. Completely in-the-box and unable to let go of the need to rely on your religious doctrine.

I don't think that's entirely fair. As a committed Muslim, Hezam is bound to view things from the standpoint of his religion, and to filter all his responses through those doctrines. But he's always willing to listen to other points of view and to explain why he thinks as he does.

Your responses (and mine!) show you are unable to let go of the need to rely on science and reason ;-)

 

[Danny om]

I don't think that's entirely fair. As a committed Muslim, Hezam is bound to view things from the standpoint of his religion, and to filter all his responses through those doctrines. But he's always willing to listen to other points of view and to explain why he thinks as he does.

Too true! I was a little combative. We do all stand on a island of perspective. If you follow my drift. Thanks

 

[Hezam]

Hezam, you seem like a nice kid, but damn boy!!

I did not noticed that in your last reply !!!!! too bad of you !

Your responses has proved my point. Completely in-the-box and unable to let go of the need to rely on your religious doctrine.

I don't think that's entirely fair. As a committed Muslim, Hezam is bound to view things from the standpoint of his religion, and to filter all his responses through those doctrines. But he's always willing to listen to other points of view and to explain why he thinks as he does.

Like Tsuyoiko said,we have to listen to the other points of vew because if we think we are the right side or our point of view is right,this will not help,people is different and people have different points of view...
by the way Tsuyoiko-san,listenning to the other ponit of view is not against my religion so it's okay ^^.

Your responses (and mine!) show you are unable to let go of the need to rely on science and reason

We must depend on science and reason to find the truth not some stories or realigious Theory.
We have been ordered to look at the space/earth/our selves/everythings depending on science and reasons,that's what Quran ordered us,so since the first time Islam started,Muslims beggan that work.

If we made a mistake we should Admit that we did a mistake,not to refuse or Justify it.

Tsuyoiko,you are a very good example in your country...thank you.

 

[Danny om]

I was refering to this statement;

i meant UK,your country killed millions of people around the world..do you refuse that ?
if America or UK or any country Occupied my country and if i have not any other way to defind my land i will bomb my self on the soldiers.there is a price for the freedom,no one should teach people what they should do..though those innocent muslims or not, children, women, civilians will live a Miserable live under the Occupation. ( Be more realistic ).

So why are these people planting truck/car/suicide bombs in places so obviously used by ordinary people going about their daily business? As you stated;

"Islam forbids killing women,children,and innocent people even in war"

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Like Tsuyoiko said,we have to listen to the other points of vew because if we think we are the right side or our point of view is right,this will not help,people is different and people have different points of view...
by the way Tsuyoiko-san,listenning to the other ponit of view is not against my religion so it's okay ^^.

I have listened to your point of view and I am just giving you mine.

Also;

We must depend on science and reason to find the truth not some stories or realigious Theory.
We have been ordered to look at the space/earth/our selves/everythings depending on science and reasons,that's what Quran ordered us,so since the first time Islam started,Muslims beggan that work.

makes no sense. Civilisation and human discovery has been around for thousands of years, WAY before any of these `modern` religions existed (do some research, if you have any doubts). Curiosity can`t be commanded, it is part of the human psyche. The questions; "How does that work?" or "what is that?" is our natural response to something new (just ask any parent or have a conversation with a child).

I don't mean or want to offend anybody with my views/belief/doctrine.....anyway PEACE

 

[Tsuyoiko]

Tsuyoiko,you are a very good example in your country...thank you.

I must say the same about you

 

[Mycernius]

you can say that for people who know who Allah is,not to Budhism or Hindo because they dont know what you are talking about ! though you confuse them instead !!!
Also,you must give proof witch people understand it not just what you belive in !
you posted this thread and disappeared without any proof and without any discussion method !!
This way you Offend Islam or anything you want to tell the others.
Actually you deserve a big ban for that.

He got his ban, for posting more BS up and preaching. A religious troll not interesting in dialogue, just to spread the word through lies and deception.

sceice is not all facts,some sceice is outlook or expectation,and Quran told us many facts proofed by Science. ( Do you need some examples ? ^^ )

Science in based on facts. Our understanding and research is based on peer reviewed papers. Unlike religion science has no agenda or bias, it just is. Religion, on the other hand, is full of half truths, interpretation, assertions and blantant lying (see Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, Harun Yahya, et al). In no way, ever, is religion or its scripture, science.
All the examples you are going to give me are from apologist sites and liars like Harun Yahya. They are just desperate attempts for the fundies to try and make their books of myths seem credible to the modern world. They fail, big time, because when properly examined from a objective way you will eralise how much BS they make up trying to fit science into scripture. Just to shop how much the Quran is not a scince book I will give you links to christian sites saying making exactly the same claim for the bible, and remember the bible predates the Quran.
Science and the Bible
The Bible Is a Textbook of Science (This site just make me sick. Liars for christ)
But the Bible's not a science textbook, is it?' - creation.com

i know Prophets were send to their people only,but Prophet Mohammed has been sent to All people,Muslim means ( Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.)

Even if Allah did reveal itself I would never submit to such a twisted, bi-polar, whimiscal tyrant. I would much rather spend eternity in hell than kow-two to a vainglorious mad god.

so All prophets were like this !! it doesnt mean that they have a sharia like Islam but they share the submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.

The prophets didn't know any different. their world was of superstition, signs and spirits. If someone had a deformed child they would think it was an omen of some kind. I am not about to follow the words written by people who were scared of their own shadow if it fell in a wrong way or sneezed on the wrong day.

No need for that,but though i always read and search in the other religions & Science...etc.

Good, then compare and learn, do not read through the filter of islamic doctrine.

And Maybe you need some search in Islam and Sharia and Quran,you need to meet some Muslims to know more about Islam,not from the western websites...

The UK has muslims in it and I know a few. They do not always hold the same view of islam than you do. Do you know why? Because they have a greater freedom of religious expression than you do. It isn't your fault, but the country you live in. Saudi isn't famous for its freedoms, especially when it comes to other religions and more soto religions not of the Book.

But you should go to where Islam started from ( Makkah ),

I can't. I'm not a Muslim and cannot get near the Kaaba. BTW did you know that when Mohammad first started Islam they used to pray towards Jerusalem? He changed it after being kicked out of Makkah and started his war against them.

we have one book.

So what? So do other religions.

Bahais is Bahais not Islam,they have their man,and Muhammed is Islam Prophet.
Bahais are not Muslims at all.

Bahai is an off shoot of Islam. you might not like it, but facts are facts despite what the imans say. Islam was once considered a heretical sect of christianity. In Dantes' Inferno Mohammad is in hell as a false prophet.
Islam is Bahis parent religion, same as christianity and judaism are Islams and judaism is christianitys.

You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.[Surat Al-Baqarah (Ayah 190 )]
the first Ayah was in the past,in the beggining of Islam when Muslims were weak,but now we work on the second Ayah...
He did not say ( O Muslims )...
does it seem more clear now ?

I am not about to get into a "quote from the Quran to show the good/bad bits" because I know it will be a waste of time. you will continually erfuse to see the bad bits and any really nasty bits yiou will explain away with what the islamic teachers tell y9ou to do. I have seen it too many times with evangelical christians and other muslims on other sites to get into it. The only person who is capable of seeing its bad points is you, and not until you are willing to accept them.

you conside anyone who doesnt agree with you a Terrorist and this is wrong.

You don't agree with me on religion, yet I do not regard you as a terrorist.

It's indeed wrong if it damage the girl or hurt her (sorry for my bad english).
In Islam it's not Halal ( not allowed ) to do anything could hurt someone or something,though we dont marry young girls...Can you make a seach please.

Ask and thou shalt receive.
The Forced Child Marriages Of Islam
Muhammad, Aisha, Islam, and Child Brides
counter jihad

Yes No dating,but you are mistaken women are not treated like second class citizens,it's culture matter called ( Sharaf ),you can see the women who you want to marry and she can see you !! dont you know that ?
Women are not Goods,there are no bars here or women for sex,you know what...we respect women more than you do.

Bollocks. Suadi has one of the worst records for treatment of women.
This is a list of what they really have under islam
What are women's rights in Islam? - A comprehensive list!
and compare to how they are treated
First from our dear friends the Taliban via wiki
Treatment of women by the Taliban - Wikipedia
And Saudis traetment
Women's rights in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia
Your home country, Yemen
Human rights in Yemen - Wikipedia
And Iran
Women's rights in Iran - Wikipedia
It strikes me that these countries are not good muslims. It seems that as soon as Mohammad died that muslims went back to how women were treated before the reforms of Mohammad, in other words like property.

Unfortunately,you did not read his Biography,if you did,you won't say that,you depend on what some jewish and jewChristians said about him (صلى الله عليه وسلم ).

I have read serveral books and articles about him, including Islamic sources, some from ex-muslims. The conclusions can be easily drawn.

you mean from NASA ?

No, from peer reviewed sources.

Did you read the website ?

Yes, and it made me laugh and cry. It was bull of apologist BS. facts are one thing it doesn't have.

where did you read about his life from ? link please ..

Several books and articles online. The main one rom Karen Armstrongs Muhammad, and she is quite nice about him.