I'm guessing if your wife didn't speak to you in Japanese all these years that would have been the case. So you can blame her.Hello,
My wife told me during the heat of an argument that she and her family had expected my Japanese to be a lot better by now. I used Google Translate. I have lived in Japan for a long time and my proficiency level is low.
私たちはあなたの日本語が今までにずっと良くなることを期待していました
PatPaul
"I expected you to be better at this by now" is a pretty rude and unhelpful assertion, no matter how supportive she may have been in the past. There's certainly more than one side to this story, but if that's verbatim what he was told, it is what it is.By no means am I saying PatPaul is absolutely to blame, but saying that his wife is being "rude" or "the joke's on her" seems a bit harsh and presumptuous without more knowledge of what discussions they've had about the matter in the time they've been together.
I was just joking around. And I was also relating it to my own situation. Years ago, I deliberately avoided dating girls who spoke good English. It was a deliberate strategy to work on my Japanese. And now decades later I don't speak in my native language with my wife even though we live in the U.S. So joke's on me. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the original draws in the relationship was the fact that he spoke English.By no means am I saying PatPaul is absolutely to blame, but saying that his wife is being "rude" or "the joke's on her" seems a bit harsh and presumptuous without more knowledge of what discussions they've had about the matter in the time they've been together.
I know what you're saying (and can relate to everything I bolded in the quote above, which is exactly the same as my situation except that we live in Japan). Anyhow, I didn't mean to be dour or humorless about the situation (though I was reluctant to make a joke, as the tone of the OP sounded somewhat grave).I was just joking around. And I was also relating it to my own situation. Years ago, I deliberately avoided dating girls who spoke good English. It was a deliberate strategy to work on my Japanese. And now decades later I don't speak in my native language with my wife even though we live in the U.S. So joke's on me. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the original draws in the relationship was the fact that he spoke English.
Just to clarify, I'm not really "in academia". I did a graduate degree in Japanese literature back in my twenties, but for the past fifteen years or so I've been a "worker bee" in Japan as well (first with the government, then in a corporate position, now as a freelancer/consultant).bentenmusume sounds like he is in academia and is very high level, I know little about that world, those are more rare than the worker bees.
You can change that if you turn on the TV.actually my living environment is 100% English
mdchachi said:You can change that if you turn on the TV.
Sadly I wish my wife would speak Japanese to me. But I'm on this forum because I need translations and actually my living environment is 100% English.
And I mean absolutely no Japanese has spoken to me by my wife.
But yes, like salyavin said, finding people who share your interests (be it music, fishing, whatever) who you can shoot the breeze with in Japanese could probably go a long way to helping you pick stuff up, once you have the basics down.salyavin said:Once you get through the basics my suggestion is always find some group, club or something you like to do and do it with japanese people so they speak Japanese with you. Even talking to the guys while fishing or something. I think you will find it rewarding. I know why you are there and I think that is very honourable.
I agree with this. Having a number of friends who couldn't speak English and really had no particular interest in speaking English helped me a lot. First group was a bar I hanged out at. One of those tiny places with a counter and no more than 12 seats. Eventually I was such a part of the group that I joined the master/mama along with several regulars on an onsen/ryokan weekend. Another group was a tennis circle that I joined, initially as a friend of a friend kind of thing. And then, stemming from that group, I joined a group of motorcyclists and we took occasional day and weekend trips. They on their big oogata bikes and me on my little 400cc chuu-gata. I think the longest bike trip with them was perhaps from Tokyo to Sado Island (Niigata). Also some scuba diving trips etc. The advantage to meeting with a variety of people in a variety of situations you invariably learn a lot more vocabulary.But yes, like salyavin said, finding people who share your interests (be it music, fishing, whatever) who you can shoot the breeze with in Japanese could probably go a long way to helping you pick stuff up, once you have the basics down.
actually to tell you the truth my wife doesn't have the patience to sit down and even speak to me in her language let alone teach me but I do have what they call a slow learning curve so I can't really really shoot and grab my wife.Or if he leaves the house and goes...well, basically anywhere. (Which, admittedly, isn't as easy to do in the COVID-19 age.)
Just out of curiosity, has your wife always been resistant to the idea of you learning/practicing Japanese? Was the topic never raised at all in all the years you've been together? Back in university, or when I first came to Japan, I would occasionally encounter girls who would insist on speaking English all the time (no doubt a conscious decision to improve their language skills—which I can't blame them for since I was essentially trying to do the opposite), but it seems odd that someone would actively choose to prevent their spouse/life partner from learning their native language so they could improve their life in Japan, speak with family, etc. and so forth.
Anyhow, I don't mean to pry or be rude. Just curious.
But yes, like salyavin said, finding people who share your interests (be it music, fishing, whatever) who you can shoot the breeze with in Japanese could probably go a long way to helping you pick stuff up, once you have the basics down.
Majestic said:For instance, like Bentenmusume said, the Japanese translation will depend on the context: are you asking for a license, or are you explaining something about a license? Are you asking a friend? Or are you at the counter of the local driving exam office? The words and phrases you use will probably change depending on the situation. It's not as simple as overwriting the English words with Japanese words. Already this might be too complicated for Musicisgood's wife to dive into. Or, it could be ground that has been well-travelled in the past, and she might not want to get into it again.
Japanese language forces you to make judgments about status and roles and education, in a way that isn't required in the west.
1. I need a license.
2. I would like to have a license.
3. If its OK with you, could you possibly grant me a license.
4. So sorry to bother you, it appears that I might need to have a license, so even though I know its a very busy day for you, could I humbly beg of you the huge favor of granting me a license?
This is also very true. I would say less than one-tenth of 1% of all native Japanese speakers (and even that estimate might be generous) can explain their own language as well as our esteemed @Toritoribe さん.Majestic said:A lot of times native speakers aren't very good teachers of their own language. Native speakers often don't have a technical, or, should I say, a logical understanding of their own language. They just know how to speak it because they have grown up with it. For example, in the west we don't have "object markers" or "topic markers", so when we ask native Japanese speakers to explain particles like は, が, を, in a way we can easily understand, the native Japanese speaker might not have the tools or the vocabulary to do this. Frustrating for both of us, because it seems so simple.
she and her family had expected my Japanese to be a lot better by now.