If you're going to lock a thread....
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Elizabeth
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- 22 Apr 2003
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Literally hundreds of threads have been started that the member knew very well would generate controversy and degenerate into a flame war, most of them obviously in English and directed towards the Japanese (history, customs, people) some by mods and admins.
On the other hand, Anti-Japan hate-filled rants posted by trolls are deleted as a matter of course and the poster banned immediately, no questions asked. If Hachiro's anti-European 'opinons' were on this magnitude, exactly the same course of action should have followed, in my humble opinion.
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Mike Cash said:
It's quite a long time that there hasn't been any discussion about the USA (apart from US troops in Japan, I think). The category "American Affairs" is now part of Eupedia, not JREF, and so does not concern this forum anymore. If I can remember well, most of the "anti-American" threads were in fact more "anti-Bush" threads, which is NOT the same !
MajideSaiaku
tsuyaku o tsukete kudasai
- 19 Jan 2005
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Anti US administration opinions are just the same as nation-hating in some folks eyes, not accusing Mike but some folk think their country emits sunshine and rose scented perfume from their rears.
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kohlrak
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Elizabeth said:Literally hundreds of threads have been started that the member knew very well would generate controversy and degenerate into a flame war, most of them obviously in English and directed towards the Japanese (history, customs, people) some by mods and admins.
On the other hand, Anti-Japan hate-filled rants posted by trolls are deleted as a matter of course and the poster banned immediately, no questions asked. If Hachiro's anti-European 'opinons' were on this magnitude, exactly the same course of action should have followed, in my humble opinion.
Indeed...
I'm so used to it that i don't notice it.
Though alot of them are anti-bush, i must remind you that most of the time they turn into pure anti-american fights. I support Bush BTW and i don't think it makes it any more right to bash him than Americans when he's been doing nothing but keeping his promises to the country. Enough said, let's not turn this entire post into an argument about what's argued and what's right to be argued.
Especially when the anti-administration turns into anti-american.
Ma Cherie
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- 24 Mar 2004
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To be honest, since I've been active in the Eupedia forum I haven't seen any anti-US sentiments. I think that's one of the reasons why some members (especially US members) have been avoiding Eupedia. At least that why I didn't post in Eupedia right away when the forums split, because I felt there would ramapant anti-American sentiments. But I don't believe it's there, more likely it's just anti-Bush.
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kohlrak
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One must credit the administration, there, then. Everywhere else where the US is brought up it's bashed.
That is a problem. See, many people support Bush. Bush stands up for what a certain group of people, such as myself, beleive. Every time you bash Bush, you're bashin' us. That's what i don't like. If i could vote for him next election, i would. Those Bush bashers are bashin' me by bashin' Bush. I would have done the same things that he has done if i had the qualifications. What people don't understand about Bush is that he was one of the few presidents that wasn't afraid to come right out and say he beleives in God without worry of the public opinion. Now, i think that we should give him respect for being one of the few politions that are willing to come out and saying they're a religous man (or woman). He beleives what he's doing is right, that's why he's doing it. We should respect him for being unlike everyone else who does what is popular with the public at the time. The public knew what they were voting for, and they voted for him anyway. Politics, now, seem to worry more about getting re-elected than worrying about what they beleive is right. Why do you think he lets his own approval ratings go down? I'm sick of people bashing me for supporting Bush. You don't see me bashing lebannon, or Iraq, or Iran, Japan, or even the British. Heck, i talk nicely about Russia and even China sometimes. That includes their administration. I don't think it's right that people are bashing our administration when it's not theirs, just like i don't bash their administration when it's not mine. I beleive that people should only be allowd to bash their own government. We may talk all the time, but we don't fully know what it's like to be in our nabor's shoes.
Sorry for the read, but i had to get that out.
Ma Cherie
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Well that's nice of you to share how you feel. But I'm not a Bush supporter, so perhaps that's why I don't see it as bashing. If you're so worried about people bashing the US, there should be some effort made to help educate people about the country. Yes, I'm well aware that people are critical of the Bush Administration and America. I'm well aware of anti-American sentiments that exist in Europe. But I also feel that complaining about how people dislike America and Americans isn't helping much. Instead, we should to show the world that we're not as ignorant as many people would like to believe.
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kohlrak
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As long as Bush represents us, any bush bashing is an insult to the US, because he represents us.
As for people learning that we're not stupid... They should know that already. Problem is, bashing any country and/or it's administration should not be allowd. It's insulting others for absolutely no reson, and it's simply a flame war waiting to happen. Plus, if they learn we're not stupid, what difference would it make? They'll insult us, anyway.
As for people learning that we're not stupid... They should know that already. Problem is, bashing any country and/or it's administration should not be allowd. It's insulting others for absolutely no reson, and it's simply a flame war waiting to happen. Plus, if they learn we're not stupid, what difference would it make? They'll insult us, anyway.
Ma Cherie
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kohlrak said:
I agree, bashing a country shouldn't be allowed, but people will do it. Like I said , people are very critical of Bush and the US and I think people have taken this criticism as America bashing. I'm not here to bash you for supporting Bush, you're allowed to support him. I'm curious, could you point out a time on the forums when someone was bashing Bush? I want to understand your view as to what constitutes America bashing and being critical.
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kohlrak
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And it is.
At least this place has nothing against me supporting Bush.
I would, but that's what this topic was about... The deletion of that post and the locking of a repost. I would give Glenn rep for it, but it says i have to spread it around before giving it to him again. lol
If you wanna know what's crossing the line.. Think of it this way, if you wouldn't say it about Barney or Thomas infront of a bunch of Kids, Domo, or Superman, then don't say it about Bush, America, or any other government/country. Despite how much people don't like to admit this (especially about Bush) but our governments do represent the feelings and customs of those that put them in power. That's the advantage of a democratic nation. The only difference is that we're puttin' those customs to the test and practical use. Reading about some one's administration at a certain time tells me alot about that country's opinions during a certain era... Not so easy for communists and dictators, though. lol
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Ma Cherie said:
Already did. Problem is, all examples are part of posts that crossed the lines of starting flame wars. I don't pay much to the political topics on this board, only what sticks out. And i don't go to the euro board. So other than a post that was deleted, i havn't seen anything in my short time being here. I shall provide better examples later, if i find any.
- 17 Jul 2002
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Now this has turn into a thread about what can be said about what country. If you want to discuss that we already have a thread Do you accept easily criticism about your country's system or government ? It turned out that the only people who said that they had a problem with foreigners criticising their country were American (although more Americans had no problem with it). Personally, on forums or in real life, I have only heard Americans say such things as "you shouldn't criticise another country than yours, even if you live there".
Anyway, if you want to discuss all the positive or negatie aspect of Japan or China, do it here (on the Japan Forum or the China Forum). If you want to do the same about Europe or the USA, do it on Eupedia. Threads about Japan/China on Eupedia will be deleted (sorry we can't move them across forums), and threads about Europe/USA on JREF will encounter the same fate.
Thank you for your comprehesion.
Anyway, if you want to discuss all the positive or negatie aspect of Japan or China, do it here (on the Japan Forum or the China Forum). If you want to do the same about Europe or the USA, do it on Eupedia. Threads about Japan/China on Eupedia will be deleted (sorry we can't move them across forums), and threads about Europe/USA on JREF will encounter the same fate.
Thank you for your comprehesion.
Kinsao
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I don't think this is the thread for talking about bashing of America or Bush. ☝ But, if you find it in a thread, something that's offensive about America, just point it out to the mods! 
and you can also discuss with the poster in the thread, why you find it offensive.
and you can also discuss with the poster in the thread, why you find it offensive.Wow - not even the British?!!? Such restraint!kohlrak said:
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kohlrak
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Ok, maybe i did a little... But that was because of that friggan thread...
