How do you know... ON/KUN and beyond

Putrefaction · 23 Dec 2009

今日は先生と勉強しに行きます。その後で、第２０課の質問を聞きます。ありがとう。
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Teacher canceled on me...

1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]食べるー＞召し上がる。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]言うー＞おっしゃる。[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]いるー＞いっらしゃる。[/FONT]
4.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]するー＞なさる。[/FONT]
5.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]寝るー＞お休みになる。[/FONT]
6.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]来るー＞いっらしゃる。[/FONT]
7.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]見るー＞ご覧になる。[/FONT]
8.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]飲むー＞召し上がる。[/FONT]
9.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]住んでいるー＞住んでいっらしゃる。[/FONT]
10.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]読んでいるー＞よんでいっらしゃる。[/FONT]
11.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]くれるー＞下さる。[/FONT]
1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]分かるー＞お分かりになる。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]調べるー＞お調べになる。[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]読むー＞お読みになる。[/FONT]
4.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]聞くー＞お聞きになる。[/FONT]
5.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]座るー＞お座りになる。[/FONT]
6.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]立つー＞お立ちになる。[/FONT]
7.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]乗るー＞お乗りになる[/FONT]
8.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]入るー＞お入りになる。[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9. 待つー＞お待ちになる[/FONT]

1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]お名前は何とおっしゃいますか？[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]どちらに住んでいっらしゃいますか？[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]どんな音楽をよくお聞きになりますか？[/FONT]
4.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]車を持っていっらしゃいますか？[/FONT]
5.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ご兄弟・お子さんがいっらしゃいますか？[/FONT]
6.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]週末、よく何をなさりますか？[/FONT]
7.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]週末、どちらへよくいっらしゃいますか？[/FONT]
8.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]昨日何を召し上がりましたか？[/FONT]
9.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]外国にいっらしゃったことがありますか？[/FONT]
10.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]どんな外国語をお話になりますか？[/FONT]
11.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]最近、映画をご覧になりましたか？[/FONT]
12.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]毎日、何時ごろお休みになりますか？[/FONT]
13.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]日本お歌を知っていっらしゃいますか？[/FONT]
14.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ペットを飼っていっらしゃいますか？[/FONT]
15.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]どんなスポーツをなさりますか？[/FONT]
16.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]お酒を召し上がいますか？[/FONT]
17.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]結婚していっらしゃいますか？[/FONT]
18.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]有名人のお会いになったことがありますか？[/FONT]
19.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]なぜ日本語を勉強していっらしゃるんですか？[/FONT]

1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]先生はご飯を召し上げました。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]社長はタバコをお吸いになりました。[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]この映画をご覧になりましたか？[/FONT]
4.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]部長は明日お帰りになります。[/FONT]
5.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]先生は昨日学校にいっらしゃいませんでした。[/FONT]
6.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]社長は結婚していっらしゃいます。[/FONT]
7.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]この人にお会いになったことがありますか？[/FONT]
8.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]部長はスペイン語をお話になります。[/FONT]
9.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]先生は「大丈夫」とおっしゃいます。[/FONT]
10.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]社長は本を下さいました。[/FONT]
11.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]昨夜、何時にお休みになりましたか？[/FONT]
12.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]先生はテニスをなさいません。[/FONT]
13.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]何をお買いになっていっらしゃるんですか？[/FONT]

I just want to make sure these are alright before there's a paragraph...thanks so much again.
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I may be rusty, but isn't the right way to say this, without any honorifics

お手洗いが二階にあります (or 二階にお手洗いがあります)
Doesn't that above say "the bathroom is the second floor"?

Toritoribe · 28 Dec 2009

ﾂ×窶堋｢窶堙≫?堙ｧ窶堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ
ﾂ≫?ｺ窶堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ

15.窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙鞍湛ﾆ竹ﾂーﾆ団窶堙ｰ窶堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
16.窶堋ｨﾅｽﾃｰ窶堙ｰﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｪ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

1.ﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙坂?堋ｲ窶敕鯛?堙ｰﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｪ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
2.ﾅｽﾃ絶?卍ｷ窶堙哉耽ﾆ弛ﾆ坦窶堙ｰ窶堋ｨ窶ｹz窶堋｢窶堙俄?堙遺?堙ｨ窶堙彈COLOR="Red"]窶堋ｷ[/COLOR]ﾂ。
9.ﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙債「窶佚･ﾂ湘､窶｢vﾂ」窶堙??堋ｨ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙彈COLOR="Red"]窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽ[/COLOR]ﾂ。

Putrefaction said:
I may be rusty, but isn't the right way to say this, without any honorifics

窶堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨﾂ静ｴ窶堋｢窶堋ｪ窶愿ｱﾅ?K窶堙俄?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ (or 窶愿ｱﾅ?K窶堙俄?堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨﾂ静ｴ窶堋｢窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ)
Doesn't that above say "the bathroom is the second floor"?

Both 窶堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨﾂ静ｴ窶堋｢窶堋ｪ窶愿ｱﾅ?K窶堙俄?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ and 窶愿ｱﾅ?K窶堙俄?堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨﾂ静ｴ窶堋｢窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ are simple description.
窶堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨﾂ静ｴ窶堋｢窶堙坂?愿ｱﾅ?K窶堙俄?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ is an answer to "Where's the bathroom?" or an explanation/information.

Putrefaction · 1 Jan 2010

Hey Tori. I will look over your answers and I thank you for them as always. I have an eye condition right now so looking at screens hurts my eyes. I just wanted yo let you know that. Posting from my phone.

Happy new year and when I get better I'll be back!!

Toritoribe · 1 Jan 2010

Oh, that's too bad. Take care of yourself and happy new year!

Putrefaction · 5 Jan 2010

Alright! I should be good to go tomorrow, but I feel fine enough. It feels good to see all I have wrong are stupid typos that I should've noticed.

Both お手洗いが二階にあります and 二階にお手洗いがあります are simple description.
お手洗いは二階にあります is an answer to "Where's the bathroom?" or an explanation/information.

That's right, don't they say "There is a bathroom on the second floor" as a descriptive. So you would use (object) は (location) にあります。 as an explanatory sentence, something maybe like this?

ペンはどこいますか？
ペンは机の上にあります。

I do wonder if there is a major difference between using は and が？Though I think there was a (few) posts on that pages back.

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Question – if I say [FONT=&quot]おかけください[/FONT] without any context, doesn't it mean a lot of things? For example I know it is コンピュータをかける as well as to sit and 電話をかける so if I was telling someone to please use a computer, would I use okakekudasai おかけください or おつかいください? Same with phone, etc.

1.[FONT=&quot]有名な先生は大学にいらっしゃいました。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot]卒業式で先生はおスピーチをなさいました。[/FONT]（Not sure if おスピーチ is ok?)
3.[FONT=&quot]どんな音楽をお聞きになりますか？[/FONT]
4.[FONT=&quot]もうこの映画をご覧になりますか？[/FONT]
5.[FONT=&quot]山下先生はもっとお疲れていらっしゃるみたいです。

[/FONT] 1.A. [FONT=&quot]ここに、名前をお書きください。[/FONT]
2.D. [FONT=&quot]右をご覧下さい。富士山が見えます。[/FONT](There was a note about mieru, I recall...being able to see, and becoming visible?)
3.C. [FONT=&quot]今、込んでいます。ここでお待ちください。[/FONT]
4.B. [FONT=&quot]皿が熱いですから、気をつけてお召し上がり下さい。[/FONT](Does this mean, "Because the plates were hot...please take care while eating"?)

I may have mixed up 3 and 4, this was pretty weird to do. I just want to make sure the grammar is alright so don't mind if it doesn't match with the picture.

For this section I'm pretty sure I did it all right. This was pretty easy.

1.[FONT=&quot]ノートを見せてくれてありがとう。[/FONT](Let someone see the notes? This isn't in our section yet, I think it's a few sections in, but maybe this was what I was talking about with 見える）
2.[FONT=&quot]うちまで送ってくれてあるがとう。[/FONT](うち、家、major differences?)
3.[FONT=&quot]宿題を手伝ってくれてありがとう。[/FONT]
4.[FONT=&quot]おいしい料理を作ってくれてありがとう。[/FONT]
5.[FONT=&quot]昼ごはんをおごってくれてありがとう。(Thank you for treating me to a meal?)[/FONT]
6.[FONT=&quot]推薦状を書きてくださってありがとうございました。[/FONT]
7.[FONT=&quot]宿題の間違いを直してくださってありがとうございました。[/FONT]
8.[FONT=&quot]パーティーに招待してくださってありがとうございました。[/FONT]
9.[FONT=&quot]日本の文化を教えてくださってありがとうございました。[/FONT]
10.[FONT=&quot]辞書を貸してくださってありがとうございました。(貸すlend, 借りるborrow, would you use わたくしに in this instance?)

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1.[FONT=&quot]友達と紹介してくれてありがとう。[/FONT]<- do we use [FONT=&quot]お＋[/FONT]stem?
2.[FONT=&quot]招待してくれてありがとう。
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3.[FONT=&quot] I didn't know how to say this, actually.

[/FONT] 1.[FONT=&quot]ごちそうしてくださってありがとうございました。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot]金を貸してくださってありがとうございました。[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot]日本語を直してくださってありがとうございました。[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]宿題をなくしちゃった！－[/FONT]Can it be taken both ways; I lost my homework and I finished my homework?

Is there a difference between [FONT=&quot]一回、一階、最初、初めての[/FONT]in terms of "first"?
[FONT=&quot]頂く[/FONT]and [FONT=&quot]いただけませんか[/FONT] are related?

I would also like to say that I have much to do...during the week of my eye infection, of course my computer crashes so I lost all the notes that I made on this topic and some of Laughing Larry's topics, so now I have to re-go through and re-comment on anything that I may have had questions on, or forgot, or something...

I've also been going through my Kanji book and like what Glenn or someone said in the beginning of the topic, memorizing Kanji in compounds and small phrases. It's working out so far but I'm slowly forgetting some of the first hundred's readings.

I actually do have some on/kun things to ask so I will ask it tomorrow.

I will also cut down the number of images per post.....you guys help me so much I don't want to burden you. I can't believe you're actually helping me this much, you guys have singlehandedly kept me on track in Japanese and helped me immensely.

もう永遠[FONT=&quot]間私の日本語を直してくださってありがとうございました。[/FONT]. :sorry:

Toritoribe · 6 Jan 2010

Putrefaction said:
ﾆ馳ﾆ停?懌?堙坂?堙??堋ｱ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
ﾆ馳ﾆ停?懌?堙最?ﾃｷ窶堙個湘｣窶堙俄?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

ﾆ馳ﾆ停?懌?堙坂?堙??堋ｱ窶堙俄?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
ﾂ（ﾆ馳ﾆ停?懌?堙債）ﾅ?ﾃｷ窶堙個湘｣窶堙俄?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

Putrefaction said:
Question – if I say [FONT=&quot]窶堋ｨ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢[/FONT] without any context, doesn't it mean a lot of things? For example I know it isﾂﾆ坦ﾆ停?愴痴ﾆ停?ｦﾂーﾆ耽窶堙ｰ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩﾂ as well as to sit and 窶彭ﾋ彙窶堙ｰ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩ so if I was telling someone to please use a computer, would I use okakekudasaiﾂ窶堋ｨ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢ or 窶堋ｨ窶堙や?堋ｩ窶堋｢窶堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢? Same with phone, etc.

ﾆ坦ﾆ停?愴痴ﾆ停?ｦﾂーﾆ耽窶堙ｰ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩ doesn't make sense, I'm afraid.
The most common usage of 窶堋ｨ窶堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢ is for "Please sit down."

Putrefaction said:
1.[FONT=&quot]窶猫窶督ｼ窶堙按静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙坂?佚･ﾅ?w窶堙俄?堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]

1.窶猫窶督ｼ窶堙按静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堋ｪﾅｽ窶樞?傳窶堙啓/COLOR]窶佚･ﾅ?w窶堙閏COLOR="Red"]窶堋ｨﾂ出[窶堋｢]窶堙??堙俄?堙遺?堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
窶堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ can be interpreted as the honorific of 窶堋｢窶堙ｩ especially when used with 窶堙? You'd better to use 窶堋ｨﾂ出窶堙??堙俄?堙遺?堙ｩ to prevent being misunderstood.

Putrefaction said:
2.[FONT=&quot]窶伉ｲ窶ｹﾃ?ｽﾂｮ窶堙?静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙坂?堋ｨﾆ湛ﾆ痴ﾂーﾆ蛋窶堙ｰ窶堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]ﾂ（Not sure ifﾂ窶堋ｨﾆ湛ﾆ痴ﾂーﾆ蛋ﾂ is ok?)

No, 窶堋ｨ can't be used for ﾆ湛ﾆ痴ﾂーﾆ蛋.

Putrefaction said:
5.ﾅｽR窶ｰﾂｺﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙坂?堙?窶堙≫?堙??堋ｨ窶敕ｦ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ窶堙昶?堋ｽ窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

5.ﾅｽR窶ｰﾂｺﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙梗COLOR="Red"]窶堙??堙??堙?[/COLOR]窶敕ｦ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ窶堙昶?堋ｽ窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ/窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

ﾂ≫?ｺ窶敕ｦ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ
ﾂ≫?ｺ窶堋ｨ窶敕ｦ窶堙ｪ窶堙俄?堙遺?堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ
ﾂ×窶堋ｨ窶敕ｦ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ

窶堙昶?堋ｽ窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ is not wrong but could sound a bit colloquial/casual to me.

Putrefaction said:
4.B. [FONT=&quot]ﾅｽM窶堋ｪ窶扨窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ、窶ｹC窶堙ｰ窶堙や?堋ｯ窶堙??堋ｨﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｪ窶堙ｨ窶ｰﾂｺ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢ﾂ。[/FONT](Does this mean, "Because the plates were hot...please take care while eating"?)

Because the plates is hot.

Putrefaction said:
1.[FONT=&quot]ﾆ知ﾂーﾆ暖窶堙ｰﾅ陳ｩ窶堋ｹ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､ﾂ。[/FONT](Let someone see the notes? This isn't in our section yet, I think it's a few sections in, but maybe this was what I was talking about with ﾅ陳ｩ窶堋ｦ窶堙ｩﾂ）

ﾆ知ﾂーﾆ暖窶堙ｰﾅ陳ｩ窶堋ｹ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､ﾂ。
Thank you for letting me see the note.

Putrefaction said:
2.[FONT=&quot]窶堋､窶堋ｿ窶堙懌?堙??倪?披?堙≫?堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｩ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､ﾂ。[/FONT](窶堋､窶堋ｿﾂ、窶ｰﾃ?、major differences?)

窶堋､窶堋ｿ窶堙懌?堙??倪?披?堙≫?堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､ﾂ。
not so major.

Putrefaction said:
6.[FONT=&quot]ﾂ絶?樞?櫓ﾂ湘ｳ窶堙ｰﾂ鞘?倪?堋ｫ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]

6.ﾂ絶?樞?櫓ﾂ湘ｳ窶堙ｰﾂ鞘?麓COLOR="Red"]窶堋｢[/COLOR]窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。

Putrefaction said:
10.ﾅｽﾂｫﾂ鞘?倪?堙ｰ窶佚昶?堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。(窶佚昶?堋ｷlend, ﾅｽﾃ倪?堙ｨ窶堙ｩborrow, would you use 窶堙ｭ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙 in this instance?)

Generally, no. 窶佚昶?堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｩ implies "to lend to me."

Putrefaction said:
1.[FONT=&quot]窶認窶傳窶堙?湘絶?ｰﾃｮ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､ﾂ。[/FONT]<- do we use [FONT=&quot]窶堋ｨﾂ＋[/FONT]stem?

No. the honorific prefix for ﾂ湘絶?ｰﾃｮ is 窶堋ｲ, plus, it should be 窶堋ｲﾂ湘絶?ｰﾃｮ窶ｰﾂｺ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙?窶堋ｲﾂ湘絶?ｰﾃｮ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋｢窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ for 窶堋ｲﾂ湘絶?ｰﾃｮ. It's the problem of "the level of respect."

Putrefaction said:
3.I didn't know how to say this, actually.

to show around: ﾋ???愿?窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ

Putrefaction said:
2.[FONT=&quot]窶ｹﾃ?窶堙ｰ窶佚昶?堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]

窶堋ｨ窶ｹﾃ?窶堙ｰ窶佚昶?堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。

Putrefaction said:
[FONT=&quot]ﾂ宿窶佚ｨ窶堙ｰ窶堙遺?堋ｭ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｿ窶堙｡窶堙≫?堋ｽﾂ！ﾂ−[/FONT]Can it be taken both ways; I lost my homework and I finished my homework?

No. 窶堙遺?堋ｭ窶堋ｷ can't mean "to finish" in that context.

Putrefaction said:
Is there a difference between [FONT=&quot]ﾋ?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱﾂ、ﾋ?ｪﾅ?Kﾂ、ﾂ催?鞘?ｰﾂ、ﾂ鞘?ｰ窶堙溪?堙??堙啓/FONT]in terms of ﾂ"firstﾂ"?

ﾋ?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱ: once(ﾋ?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱ窶禿 can mean "first time.")
ﾋ?ｪﾅ?K: the first floor

Putrefaction said:
[FONT=&quot]窶卍ｸ窶堋ｭ[/FONT]and [FONT=&quot]窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｯ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｩ[/FONT] are related?

窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｯ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｩ
the negative polite form of 窶卍ｸ窶堋ｭ + the question particle 窶堋ｩ

Putrefaction said:
窶堙?窶堋､窶ｰi窶ｰ窶彈FONT=&quot]ﾅ?ﾃ版ｽ窶樞?堙娯?愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶卍ｼ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT].

ﾂ×窶ｰi窶ｰ窶愬?ﾃ
ﾂ≫?ｺ窶卍ｷ窶堋｢/窶ｰi窶堋｢ﾅ?ﾃ

Putrefaction · 7 Jan 2010

The most common usage of おかけください is for "Please sit down."

I see. Small question, if I wanted to say Toritoribe san is talking on the phone in honorifics, used the computer, would it be:

トリトリベさんは電話でお話になっていらっしゃいます。
トリトリベさんはコンピューターをお使いになりました。

ペンはどこにありますか？
（ペンは）机の上にあります。

Ah, so other than that typo, I correctly transposed the meaning?
Where is the pen?
The pen is on top of the desk.

1.有名な先生が私達の大学にお出[い]でになりました。
いらっしゃる can be interpreted as the honorific of いる especially when used with は. You'd better to use お出でになる to prevent being misunderstood.

I will remember this, I never came across the いで reading for it though, it's always been しゅつ／だす／でる。 So in this case, we use が／いで？

○疲れていらっしゃる
○お疲れになっていらっしゃる
×お疲れていらっしゃる

I can definitely see why I was wrong here. I'm wondering if there is a difference between the two? In the Genki book there are examples of both used in different ways, but they seem to mean the same thing.

And you're right, I didn't see that 熱い was not in the かった form so it is in the present tense.

No. the honorific prefix for 紹介 is ご, plus, it should be ご紹介下さって/ご紹介していただいてありがとうございました for ご紹介. It's the problem of "the level of respect."

Hmm..so is this example a bit weird, in that way? It's a honorific sense itself and we are "casual-ing" it down?

The only time I've seen it as such is when we're using it with kudasai. Would you use the ご as ご紹介なさいます？

3. Thanks for showing me around
案内して下さってありがとうございました。

いただけませんか
the negative polite form of 頂く + the question particle か

A small question, isn't the negative polite form, いただきません so is this the "can" form? いただける?

もう永遠間私の日本語を直してくださってありがとうございました。.

×永遠間
○長い/永い間

I'm surprised the rest of the sentence was correct!

もう長い間私の日本語を直してくださってありがとうございました。

(Which brings up another question, sorry. The reading for 長い間 from WWWJDIC is 長い間, is there any reason I couldn't chop off the 間 and say 永遠? and if i could, would it get a に marker, since it's time?)

1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]留学してよかったです。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]敬語を習ってよかったです。[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]日本語の勉強をやめなくてよかったです。[/FONT]
4.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]友達に手伝ってもらってよかったです。[/FONT]
5.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]授業をサボらなくてよかったです。[/FONT]
6.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]この大学を選んでよかったです。[/FONT]
7.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]授業に遅れなくて良かったです。[/FONT]
8.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]早くレポートを書いてしまってよかった。(I'm glad I finished writing the report early, the しまう means in this sense?)
[/FONT]
9.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]いろいろな人を知り合えてよかったです。[/FONT]
10.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]新しいアパートに引っ越してよかったです。[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]敬語を勉強してよかったです。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]田中さんと知り合ってよかったです。[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]雨が降らなくてよかったです。[/FONT]
4.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]止めなくてよかったです。[/FONT](I'm glad I didn't stop, same?)
5.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]電車を逃さなくてよかったです。
[/FONT][FONT=&quot]電車を乗り遅れてよかったです。[/FONT]
(I forgot how to say miss a train. I remember it was in here but I forgot which page, I'll search. I think I'm right with 乗り遅れる so I'll look up the differences between the two.)

6.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]友達のコンピュータを壊さなくてよかったです。[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]:sorry: Thank you once again!
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By the way, I am ramping my efforts to learn Japanese a lot. I have finished Chapter 20, am starting 21, and am doing some more stuff from my Kanji book and etc. Hopefully I will not be more of an annoyance as I will be looking towards dictionaries and WWWJDIC for sentence structures and such.

I have gone through just about 300 posts in this topic and commented on them, I have yet to go through Larry's posts and other topics, I am going to try to read and decipher a large amount of the 最近お出来事 topic (as I have posted in there twice) to up my reading capabilities.

I actually do have on/kun questions to ask as well.

Toritoribe · 8 Jan 2010

Putrefaction said:
ﾆ暖ﾆ椎?ﾆ暖ﾆ椎?ﾆ遅窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙坂?彭ﾋ彙窶堙??堋ｨﾋ彙窶堙俄?堙遺?堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

It's not incorrect, but 窶彭ﾋ彙窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ would be more common.

Putrefaction said:
ﾆ暖ﾆ椎?ﾆ暖ﾆ椎?ﾆ遅窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙哉坦ﾆ停?愴痴ﾆ停?ｦﾂーﾆ耽ﾂー窶堙ｰ窶堋ｨﾅｽg窶堋｢窶堙俄?堙遺?堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。

Same the avobe. This would be an answer to "What did he use?" or like that.

These are the problems not of the correctness of grammar but of the naturalness of the sentence.

Putrefaction said:
I will remember this, I never came across theﾂ窶堋｢窶堙 reading for it though, it's always been 窶堋ｵ窶堙｣窶堙つ／窶堋ｾ窶堋ｷﾂ／窶堙??堙ｩﾂ。 So in this case, we use 窶堋ｪﾂ／窶堋｢窶堙?？

窶堋ｨﾂ出窶堙??堙俄?堙遺?堙ｩ is one of the honorific forms/verbs of 窶藩??堙ｩ like as "ﾂ食窶堙冷?堙ｩ <--> ﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｪ窶堙ｩ," "ﾂ寝窶堙ｩ <--> 窶堋ｨ窶ｹx窶堙昶?堙俄?堙遺?堙ｩ." This is from the classical verb ﾂ出[窶堋｢]窶堙?

Putrefaction said:
I can definitely see why I was wrong here. I'm wondering if there is a difference between the two? In the Genki book there are examples of both used in different ways, but they seem to mean the same thing.

"窶堋ｨ + pre-masu form of verb + 窶堙俄?堙遺?堙ｩ" itself is an honorific form, so 窶堋ｨ窶敕ｦ窶堙ｪ窶堙俄?堙遺?堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ is considered more polite than 窶敕ｦ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ.
(FYI, the classical adverbial form(= pre-masu form) of ﾂ出窶堙 is ﾂ出窶堙? thus, 窶堋ｨﾂ出窶堙??堙俄?堙遺?堙ｩ is exactly from this usage.;-))

Putrefaction said:
Hmm..so is this example a bit weird, in that way? It's a honorific sense itself and we are "casual-ing" it down?

窶認窶傳窶堙ｰﾂ湘絶?ｰﾃｮ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､
窶堋ｲ窶認ﾂ人窶堙ｰ窶堋ｲﾂ湘絶?ｰﾃｮ窶ｰﾂｺ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堙?窶堋ｲﾂ湘絶?ｰﾃｮ窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ

Both are OK.

Putrefaction said:
A small question, isn't the negative polite form, 窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ so is this the "can" form? 窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩ?

Right, my bad.
窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｯ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ; the negative potential polite form of 窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｭ

Putrefaction said:
(Which brings up another question, sorry. The reading for 窶卍ｷ窶堋｢ﾅ?ﾃ from WWWJDIC is 窶卍ｷ窶堋｢ﾅ?ﾃ? is there any reason I couldn't chop off the ﾅ?ﾃ and say 窶ｰi窶ｰ窶? and if i could, would it get a 窶堙 marker, since it's time?)

窶ｰi窶ｰ窶? eternity/permanence(noun)
窶卍ｷ窶堋｢ﾅ?ﾃ? long time

Putrefaction said:
9.[FONT=&quot]窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堙按人窶堙ｰ窶冦窶堙ｨﾂ坂?｡窶堋ｦ窶堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]

9.窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堋｢窶堙ｫ窶堙按人窶堙?/COLOR]窶冦窶堙ｨﾂ坂?｡窶堋ｦ窶堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

Putrefaction said:
2.[FONT=&quot]窶彡窶吮??窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙??冦窶堙ｨﾂ坂?｡窶堙≫?堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]

2.窶彡窶吮??窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙??冦窶堙ｨﾂ坂?｡窶堋ｦ窶堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

Putrefaction said:
4.[FONT=&quot]ﾅｽ~窶堙溪?堙遺?堋ｭ窶堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。(I'm glad I didn't stop, same?)[/FONT]

4.to give up: 窶堋?窶堋ｫ窶堙ｧ窶堙溪?堙ｩ

Putrefaction said:
[FONT=&quot]窶彭ﾅｽﾃ披?堙ｰﾂ湘ｦ窶堙ｨ窶凅窶堙ｪ窶堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]

5.窶彭ﾅｽﾃ納COLOR="Red"]窶堙閏/COLOR]ﾂ湘ｦ窶堙ｨ窶凅窶堙ｪ窶堙遺?堋ｭ窶堙??堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

Putrefaction · 12 Jan 2010

Thanks a lot. I haven't gotten down naturalness. I'll try to remember the 窶堋ｨﾂ出窶堙??堙俄?堙遺?堙ｩ.

I'm also around 300 posts in the review, I'm not sure if I told you.

I actually wanted to get back to On/Kun while also incorporating my grammar studies, but I'll focus on one for now...

Japanese: 窶堙懌?堋ｽﾂ窶堙娯?堙ｨ窶堋ｨ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堙≫?堋ｽ窶堋ｸ窶堙ｧ
English: Again, I regretfully missed (the train).

This one was easy except for zura, I think it's another one of those male/female things.

Japaneseﾂ：窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堙遺?堙ｱ窶堙??堙溪?堋ｸ窶堙ｧﾂ？窶堙ｦ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堋ｯ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堙≫?堋ｽ窶堋ｸ窶堙ｧ窶堙ｦ
English: How many times is it already? The night has (something with early dawn, completed)

Japanese: 窶堙や?堋ｬ窶堙姑椎?ﾆ停?愴檀ﾆ置ﾆ停?ｹﾆ停ぎ窶堙､窶堋ｫ窶堙坂?堋｢窶堙や?堋ｭ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｸ窶堙ｧ
English: When is the next (thing) destined for Lindblum coming?
I'm a bit messed up on the ﾂ行窶堋ｫ. Is it a shortening of yukisaki?

Japanese: 窶堋?窶堙娯?堋ｨ窶堙??堙坂?堙樞?堋ｱ窶堋､窶堋ｩ窶堙ｭ...ﾆ但ﾆ椎槌誰ﾆ探ﾆ停?愴檀ﾆ椎?ﾆ但窶堙､窶堋ｫ窶堋ｪ窶堋ｫ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｨ窶堙??堋ｸ窶堙ｧ
English: That sound behind me...the thing destined for Alexandria has made a coming noise!

Japanese: 窶堋ｱ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙昶?堋ｿ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｳ窶堋ｭ窶堙≫?堙??堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｩ
English: Are you loitering there?
I actually had to look this one up since I never saw 窶堋ｽ窶堙冷?堙ｩ with ﾂ食窶堙? Not sure about the sentence after the ﾂ食.

Japanese: PSICOM窶堙俄?堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｭ窶堋ｷ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堋ｾ窶堙
English: We didn't meet the PSICOM, good.
Is this even right? I know the overall gist of it but the exact-ness I can't grasp.

Just wondering if this is 窶堋ｾ窶堋｢窶堙問?堋｢窶堋ｰ窶堙ｱ.

As for grammar,

1.[FONT=&quot]窶督ｾ窶愿ｺﾅｽﾅｽﾅ陳ｱ窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ湛ﾂー窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙債債｡窶敕凪?｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot]窶堋｢窶堋｢ﾅ?wﾂ青ｶ窶堋ｾ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ陳?但ﾆ椎?窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｪﾅｽﾃｶ窶ｹﾃ??堙ｰﾆ探ﾆ畜窶堋ｵ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot]ﾆ但ﾆ陳?椎?ﾆ谷窶堙ｦ窶堙ｨﾆ谷ﾆ段ﾆ胆窶堙娯?堙吮?堋､窶堋ｪ窶佚･窶堋ｫ窶堋｢窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4. 窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙可住窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ淡ﾆ停?｡ﾆ停?懌?堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙坂?吮??ﾂ坂?佛津ｪ窶堋ｪﾂ湘｣ﾅｽﾃｨ窶堋ｾ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

[/FONT] 1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]窶敕ｲﾂ行窶ｹ@窶堋ｪ窶ｹﾃｳﾂ港窶堙俄?ｹﾃ｣ﾅｽﾅｾ窶堙俄?吮?ｦ窶堋ｭ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶凅窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]窶認窶傳ﾅｽ窶樞?堙娯?ｰﾃ??堙俄?堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]ﾆ弾ﾆ湛ﾆ暖窶堙才?補?堋ｵ窶堋｢窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶愿ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
That just wraps up Chapter 19. I'm working on passive sentences in Chapter 21.

Thanks for your help again. I'll send Elizabeth a message about one of the images. :sorry:

epigene · 12 Jan 2010

I'll just answer about the ずら ending.

It is a sentence ending (equivalent to です、よ , etc.) coming from a dialect of Nagano Prefecture, although it appears that this ending can be heard in some other dialects as well.

However, many young people have started to adopt use of various regional dialects just for the fun of it. So, the speaker may not necessarily be from Nagano but just having fun. If this is from a manga or anime, the creator may have adopted this to add color to the character, regardless of the background of the character.

I'll leave the rest to other members.

Added: 道草を食とったんか
食う（くう）is the same as 食べる . Usage is neutral rather than polite.
道草を食う is a fixed phrase (idiom), coming from eating grass along the road, meaning being distracted by something when one is supposed to head straight toward a destination.
Again, 食とったんか is dialect form of 食っていたのか

undrentide · 13 Jan 2010

About 窶堋ｸ窶堙ｧ, epigene san gave a good explanation, so I just answer about other part.

Japanese: 窶堙懌?堋ｽﾂ窶堙娯?堙ｨ窶堋ｨ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堙≫?堋ｽ窶堋ｸ窶堙ｧ
English: Again, I regretfully missed (the train).

You got it right.

Japaneseﾂ：窶堙?窶堋､窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堙遺?堙ｱ窶堙??堙溪?堋ｸ窶堙ｧﾂ？窶堙ｦ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堋ｯ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堙≫?堋ｽ窶堋ｸ窶堙ｧ窶堙ｦ
English: How many times is it already? The night has (something with early dawn, completed)

窶禿ｩ窶堋ｪ窶督ｾ窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩﾂ?ーB]窶堙ｦ[/B]窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩ dawn breaks
窶禿ｩ窶督ｾ窶堋ｯﾂ（窶堙ｦ窶堋?窶堋ｯﾂ） = dawn, daybreak

Japanese: 窶堙や?堋ｬ窶堙姑椎?ﾆ停?愴檀ﾆ置ﾆ停?ｹﾆ停ぎ窶堙､窶堋ｫ窶堙坂?堋｢窶堙や?堋ｭ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｸ窶堙ｧ
English: When is the next (thing) destined for Lindblum coming?
I'm a bit messed up on the ﾂ行窶堋ｫ. Is it a shortening of yukisaki?

ﾂ〜ﾂ行窶堋ｫﾂ（窶堋｢窶堋ｫﾂ）ﾂ? bound for ~ (train, bus, etc.)

Japanese: 窶堋?窶堙娯?堋ｨ窶堙??堙坂?堙樞?堋ｱ窶堋､窶堋ｩ窶堙ｭ...ﾆ但ﾆ椎槌誰ﾆ探ﾆ停?愴檀ﾆ椎?ﾆ但窶堙､窶堋ｫ窶堋ｪ窶堋ｫ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｨ窶堙??堋ｸ窶堙ｧ
English: That sound behind me...the thing destined for Alexandria has made a coming noise!

ﾅ津ｼ窶堋ｱ窶堋､窶伉､ﾂ窶堙樞?堋ｱ窶堋､窶堋ｪ窶堙ｭ not behind, but some distance from the speaker across something
The sound/noise is (from) the other side/over there
It's the noise made by/of the [machine/vehicle/train, etc] bound for Alexandria.

Japanese: 窶堋ｱ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙昶?堋ｿ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｳ窶堋ｭ窶堙≫?堙??堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｩ
English: Are you loitering there?
I actually had to look this one up since I never saw 窶堋ｽ窶堙冷?堙ｩ with ﾂ食窶堙? Not sure about the sentence after the ﾂ食.

窶慊ｹ窶伉絶?堙ｰﾂ食窶堋､ﾂ（窶堙昶?堋ｿ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｭ窶堋､ﾂ） to loiter on one's way
It's a set phrase, the verb is always ﾂ食窶堋､ not ﾂ食窶堙冷?堙ｩ.

Japanese: PSICOM窶堙俄?堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｭ窶堋ｷ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋ｻ窶堋､窶堋ｾ窶堙
English: We didn't meet the PSICOM, good.
Is this even right? I know the overall gist of it but the exact-ness I can't grasp.

ﾂ〜窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋ｻ窶堋､ it's unlikely to ~
We are not likely to encounter PSICOM.
It does not look like we're encountering PSICOM.

Just wondering if this is 窶堋ｾ窶堋｢窶堙問?堋｢窶堋ｰ窶堙ｱ.

Yes, 窶佚･窶｢ﾂｽﾅ陳ｴ is 窶堋ｾ窶堋｢窶堙問?堋｢窶堋ｰ窶堙ｱ.

Now about ﾂ〜窶堙坂?堋ｸ phrases:

1.[FONT="]窶督ｾ窶愿ｺﾅｽﾅｽﾅ陳ｱ窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ湛ﾂー窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙債債｡窶敕凪?｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
2.[FONT="]窶堋｢窶堋｢ﾅ?wﾂ青ｶ窶堋ｾ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ陳?但ﾆ椎?窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｪﾅｽﾃｶ窶ｹﾃ??堙ｰﾆ探ﾆ畜窶堋ｵ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
3.[FONT="]ﾆ但ﾆ陳?椎?ﾆ谷窶堙ｦ窶堙ｨﾆ谷ﾆ段ﾆ胆窶堙娯?堙吮?堋､窶堋ｪ窶佚･窶堋ｫ窶堋｢窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
[FONT="]4. 窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙可住窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ淡ﾆ停?｡ﾆ停?懌?堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙坂?吮??ﾂ坂?佛津ｪ窶堋ｪﾂ湘｣ﾅｽﾃｨ窶堋ｾ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]

[/FONT]1.[FONT="]窶督ｾ窶愿ｺﾅｽﾅｽﾅ陳ｱ窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ湛ﾂー窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙債債｡窶敕凪?｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
2.[FONT="]窶堋｢窶堋｢ﾅ?wﾂ青ｶ窶堙?/COLOR]窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ陳?但ﾆ椎?窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙梗/COLOR]ﾅｽﾃｶ窶ｹﾃ??堙ｰﾆ探ﾆ畜窶堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
3.[FONT="]ﾆ但ﾆ陳?椎?ﾆ谷窶堙ｦ窶堙ｨﾆ谷ﾆ段ﾆ胆窶堙娯?堙吮?堋､窶堋ｪ窶佚･窶堋ｫ窶堋｢窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
[FONT="]4.窶吮??ﾂ坂?倪?堙可住窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾆ淡ﾆ停?｡ﾆ停?懌?堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙坂?吮??ﾂ坂?佛津ｪ窶堋ｪﾂ湘｣ﾅｽﾃｨ窶堙?/COLOR]窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]

1.[FONT="]窶敕ｲﾂ行窶ｹ@窶堋ｪ窶ｹﾃｳﾂ港窶堙俄?ｹﾃ｣ﾅｽﾅｾ窶堙俄?吮?ｦ窶堋ｭ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶凅窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]
2.[FONT="]窶認窶傳ﾅｽ窶樞?堙娯?ｰﾃ??堙俄?堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]
3.[FONT="]ﾆ弾ﾆ湛ﾆ暖窶堙才?補?堋ｵ窶堋｢窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶愿ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]

1. and 3 are OK. As for 2, is there any reason you use keigo for the friend?
I think plain expression is more appropriate if you're talking about your friend.

2.[FONT="]窶認窶傳窶堙梗/COLOR]ﾅｽ窶樞?堙娯?ｰﾃ??堙俄?堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堙ｩ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。[/FONT]
Grammatically correct. ;-)
or you can simply say
窶認窶堋ｾ窶堋ｿ窶堙最ｽ窶樞?堙娯?ｰﾃ??堙俄?藩??堙ｩ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶藩??堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。

I think you're doing quite well.

Putrefaction · 13 Jan 2010

Wow, thanks for coming and posting! You guys have helped me a lot

If this is from a manga or anime, the creator may have adopted this to add color to the character, regardless of the background of the character.

It is indeed from a video game, I'm using it to get my reading and understanding skills up. It's helped me in on/kun a bit. The guy saying it is quite quirky!

Added: 窶慊ｹ窶伉絶?堙ｰﾂ食窶堙≫?堙??堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｩ
ﾂ食窶堋､ﾂ（窶堋ｭ窶堋､ﾂ）is the same as ﾂ食窶堙冷?堙ｩ . Usage is neutral rather than polite.
窶慊ｹ窶伉絶?堙ｰﾂ食窶堋､ is a fixed phrase (idiom), coming from eating grass along the road, meaning being distracted by something when one is supposed to head straight toward a destination.
Again, ﾂ食窶堙≫?堙??堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｩ is dialect form of ﾂ食窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堙娯?堋ｩﾂ

Ah, that makes more sense. The 窶堋ｭ窶堙≫?堙 part was messing me up, I thought it was some form I haven't seen. Thanks! I left rep.

ﾂ〜ﾂ行窶堋ｫﾂ（窶堋｢窶堋ｫﾂ）ﾂ? bound for ~ (train, bus, etc.)

Ah, I should've gone with my first instinct, I usually read it as iki. I just thought since I was exposed to ﾂ行窶堋ｫﾂ静ｦ perhaps it was different.

ﾅ津ｼ窶堋ｱ窶堋､窶伉､ﾂ窶堙樞?堋ｱ窶堋､窶堋ｪ窶堙ｭ not behind, but some distance from the speaker across something
The sound/noise is (from) the other side/over there
It's the noise made by/of the [machine/vehicle/train, etc] bound for Alexandria.

Much more natural than my sentence, thanks.

ﾂ〜窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堋ｱ窶堙??堙坂?堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋ｻ窶堋､ it's unlikely to ~
We are not likely to encounter PSICOM.
It does not look like we're encountering PSICOM.

Ah, that makes more sense. I remember 窶堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋ｻ窶堋､ from Chapter 13 being the meaning "doesn't look like". The 窶堋ｱ窶堙 in here messes me up though. I'll look into it more, thanks!

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As for 2, is there any reason you use keigo for the friend?
I think plain expression is more appropriate if you're talking about your friend.

You're right, I should use plain forms.

窶認窶堋ｾ窶堋ｿ窶堙最ｽ窶樞?堙娯?ｰﾃ??堙俄?藩??堙ｩ窶堙坂?堋ｸ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｪﾂ、窶藩??堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。

Thanks!!

I'm just going to post your PM so I can review it

Originally Posted by Putrefaction

The question(s) I have stem from the ﾂー窶堙??堋ｨ窶堋ｭ and ﾂ〜窶堙??堋?窶堙ｩ forms.

Is this a time line for 窶堋ｨ窶堋ｭﾂ，窶堋?窶堙ｩﾂ？
窶堙｢窶堋ｭ窶堋ｻ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。(I am going to make a reservation.)
窶堙｢窶堋ｭ窶堋ｻ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。(I made a reservation in advance.)
窶堙｢窶堋ｭ窶堋ｻ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。(I made the reservation)
窶堙｢窶堋ｭ窶堋ｻ窶堋ｭ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。(I had a reservation?)

First off, reservation is 窶能窶禿ｱﾂ（窶堙ｦ窶堙｢窶堋ｭﾂ）, 窶禿ｱ窶伉ｩﾂ（窶堙｢窶堋ｭ窶堋ｻ窶堋ｭﾂ） means "promise".

窶能窶禿ｱ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。 I'm going to make a reservation (for purpose)
窶能窶禿ｱ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。 I made a reservation. (in advance, for a certain purpose)
窶能窶禿ｱ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。 I made a reservation. (stating the current situation, the reservation is still kept.)
窶能窶禿ｱ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。 I made a reservation. (stating the past situation, maybe now it's cancelled or finished.)

it's a bit confusing to me especially when I apply it to

窶倪?ｹ窶堋ｪ窶｢ﾃや?堙溪?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ（I am closing the window.ﾂ）
窶倪?ｹ窶堋ｪ窶｢ﾃや?堙懌?堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ（The window is closed.ﾂ）
窶倪?ｹ窶堋ｪ窶｢ﾃや?堙溪?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。ﾂ（The window had been kept closed?ﾂ）
窶倪?ｹ窶堋ｪ窶｢ﾃや?堙懌?堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ（The window had been closed?ﾂ）

窶倪?ｹ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃや?堙溪?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ?≫?堙懌?堙??堙ｰ窶｢ﾃや?堙溪?堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶堙??堋ｱ窶堙ｫ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。 I'm closing the window. (on-going event)
窶倪?ｹ窶堋ｪ窶｢ﾃや?堙懌?堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。 The window is closed. (it was closed and now in that status.)
窶倪?ｹ窶堋ｪ窶｢ﾃや?堙溪?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。 The window was closed/has been closed and is kept at that, maybe for a certain purpose.
窶倪?ｹ窶堋ｪ窶｢ﾃや?堙懌?堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。 The window was closed. (past form of the 2nd sentence.)

Became very, very clear. Thank you so much!:sorry:

ﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙嫁ｽﾃｨ窶彖窶堙≫?堙??ｰﾂｺ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。

Putrefaction · 14 Jan 2010

Ah, I'm done with Chapter 19 then, it seems. That was a decent chapter. Do you guys use keigo a lot during day-to-day talks? I'll have to review the topic from where ever I left off until now. But I wanted to discuss a few things.

I've been using Anki recently to cement my Kanji studies. However as of a few days ago, it's become harder and harder to memorize Kanji and their compounds. I've forgotten completely 4 pages (25 Kanji) and when it comes to the compounds I'm also getting them wrong! For those who have studied them, is there anything else I should be doing?

The forgetting of compounds is my fault, I suppose. Out of 30 I usually get 10 wrong but remember by the end of them. Good program, Anki. Should've used it a lot sooner...what I've been doing (and still am, in addition to Anki) is going through 50 or so, and reviewing the past 100. Once I hit 100, I just review the entire 100...today I'm going to try to go through 500-800 though, just to make sure there isn't a whole lot I forgot.

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To consolidate, I'm just going to paste one or two pictures of each respective excersize...if I get it right then there's no point going on further. I can just self-review.

C. [FONT=&quot]窶彡窶吮??窶堙?申窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶堙ｦ窶堙ｫ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｨﾅ?ﾃｨ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
B. [FONT=&quot]窶彭ﾅｽﾃ披?堋ｪ窶堙懌?堋｢窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
E. [FONT=&quot]窶卍ｸ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ（[/FONT]Now I know where it comes from in Chapter 1![FONT=&quot]ﾂ）[/FONT]
A. [FONT=&quot]ﾂ湘｣窶堙嫁ｽQ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾅｽﾅｸ窶堙最ｽﾂｵﾅ?K窶堙??堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
F. [FONT=&quot]窶堋ｨﾅｽﾃｨﾂ静ｴ窶堋｢窶堙坂?堋?窶堋ｿ窶堙ｧ窶堙俄?堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
D. [FONT=&quot]窶｢ﾆ停?堙債債｡ﾂ出窶堋ｩ窶堋ｯ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]窶彡窶吮??窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙坂?堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ﾂ債｡ﾅｽQ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堙娯?堙?、ﾂ渉ｭﾂ々窶堋ｨ窶佚停?堋ｿ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堋｢ﾂ。[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]窶彡窶吮??窶堙?申窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶堙ｦ窶堙ｫ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｨﾅ?ﾃｨ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]窶堋ｨ窶卮停?堙ｰ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｼﾂ。[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]窶堋ｷ窶堙昶?堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂﾂ（窶卍ｸ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ）ﾂ。[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ﾅｽR窶怒窶｢窶昶?卍ｷ窶堙坂?堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ﾂ債｡窶愿ｺ窶堙坂?ｹx窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。(Wouldn't this be an honorific for Yamamoto so shouldn't it be [/FONT][FONT=&quot]窶堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ?)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]窶堋ｩ窶堙寂?堙ｱ窶堙坂?堋ｱ窶堋ｿ窶堙ｧ窶堙俄?堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ﾆ恥ﾆ停?懌?堙??堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶堙??堋､窶堋ｼﾂ。[/FONT]

Toritoribe · 15 Jan 2010

Putrefaction said:
Wouldn't this be an honorific for Yamamoto so shouldn't it be 窶堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ?

Right.
All OK except 窶卍ｸ窶堋ｫ窶堙彈COLOR="Red"]窶堋ｷ[/COLOR].

Putrefaction · 15 Jan 2010

Ah, thanks. I'll update it in my documents. I actually was able to leave you rep!

There's one that features a combination so that one I'll post and it's the end of that section. Do you have any words of wisdom regarding what was written above?

Just combines what I learned above and in the previous chapter.

1. 窶堋ｨ窶督ｼ窶楼窶堙坂?ｰﾂｽ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｨ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
窶愿ｱﾂーﾆ停?ｹ窶堙?申窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
2. 窶堋｢窶堙や?愿ｺ窶怒窶堙俄?堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｩﾂ？
窶ｹﾅｽ窶扼窶愿ｺ窶怒窶堙嫁ｽQ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
3. 窶堙??堋ｿ窶堙ｧ窶堙可住窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
USA窶堙可住窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
4. ﾆ池ﾂーﾆ停?ｹ窶堙ｰ窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｰ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？(No context, this would be both eat and drink?)
窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堋ｦﾂ、窶牢窶漏窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙ｦﾂ。
5. 窶堋ｨﾅｽo窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？(Is, comes, goes?)
窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堋ｦﾂ、窶堋ｨ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。
6. 窶ｰﾂｽ窶堋ｩﾆ湛ﾆ竹ﾂーﾆ団窶堙ｰ窶堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
窶禿ｬ窶ｹ窶ｦ窶堙ｰ窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
7. 窶突??愿ｺ窶堙??堙娯?堋ｮ窶堙ｧ窶堋｢窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堙遺?堋ｳ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
窶突??愿ｺﾂ、窶愿ｱﾅｽﾅｾﾅ?ﾃ披?堋ｮ窶堙ｧ窶堋｢窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
8. 窶突??愿ｺ窶ｰﾂｽﾅ?ﾃｺ窶堋ｲ窶堙ｫ窶敕毒津､窶敕鯛?堙ｰﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｪ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
窶ｹﾃ｣ﾅｽﾅｾ窶堋ｲ窶堙ｫ窶敕毒津､窶敕鯛?堙ｰ窶卍ｸ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
9. ﾂ静ｦﾂ週窶堙個週窶凪?凪?堙坂?堙??堋ｱ窶堋ｩ窶堙問?堋｢窶堙ｧ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｩﾂ？
窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堋ｦﾂ、窶堙??堋ｱ窶堙俄?堙?ﾅｽQ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
10. 窶愿ｺ窶怒窶｢ﾂｶﾅ?w窶堙俄?ｹﾂｻ窶督｡窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？ﾂ（is there an honorific for arimasu?ﾂ）
窶堙坂?堋｢ﾂ、窶ｹﾂｻ窶督｡窶堋ｪ窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ

Overall, I think this is decently easy.ﾂ But it does leave questions....:?ﾂ Thank you once again!

I also left Elizabeth a PM, maybe she will respond in here.

epigene · 15 Jan 2010

Putrefaction said:
Do you guys use keigo a lot during day-to-day talks?

It depends on what kind of life you lead.

Frankly speaking, we don't use keigo much when talking with friends and colleagues. However, it is essential in a business environment. Mastery of keigo is a sign of education (and good breeding).

You seem to think that our posts in ﾂ催??ｹﾃ溪?堙個出窶藩?ｽ窶 is written in keigo, but no. What we are using is standard Japanese, both polite and friendly. Although we don't know each other in person, we have become familiar enough with each other not to use honorifics.

Putrefaction · 15 Jan 2010

Is that so! I figured you may not use it between friends that you've known for a while. I certainly do want to master keigo just as all aspects of the grammar.

To be honest, I'm trying to read the 最近お出来事 topic and I find myself going to the dictionary or wwwjdic for almost every other word! It's good practice. I find it rewarding to understand about 80% of a sentence. Like this one, from Glenn (that Tori quoted)

へへへ、一番印象に残る試合はどれか私にはもうわかっているつもりですが。ご意見、ご感想を楽しみにしています。

I understood the gist of the sentence, especially the last part. Nothing cemented, but it's a start. i underlined the words I looked up.

I'd still use keigo with you guys

Toritoribe · 16 Jan 2010

Putrefaction said:
1. 窶堋ｨ窶督ｼ窶楼窶堙坂?ｰﾂｽ窶堙ｰ窶堋ｨ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

1.窶堋ｨ窶督ｼ窶楼窶堙坂?ｰﾂｽ窶堙?/COLOR]窶堋ｨ窶堙≫?堋ｵ窶堙｡窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

Putrefaction said:
窶ｹﾅｽ窶扼窶愿ｺ窶怒窶堙嫁ｽQ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。

窶ｹﾅｽ窶扼ﾅｽQ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。
You don't need to repeat 窶愿ｺ窶怒 again.

Putrefaction said:
USA窶堙可住窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｨ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

The place name should be the one in Japan. (Because you are resident in Japan now.)

Putrefaction said:
4. ﾆ池ﾂーﾆ停?ｹ窶堙ｰ窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｰ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

ﾆ池ﾂーﾆ停?ｹ窶堙ｰ窶堙ｦ窶堋ｭﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｪ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

Putrefaction said:
No context, this would be both eat and drink?

Yes.

Putrefaction said:
窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堋ｦﾂ、窶牢窶漏窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙ｦﾂ。

You can't use 窶堙ｦ here. 窶堙ｦ could sound arrogant with honorifics/polite forms depending on context. This might be a bit advanced, but the most appropriate one would be 窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堋ｦﾂ、窶堋ｽ窶堋ｵ窶堙遺?堙昶?堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ.

Putrefaction said:
Is, comes, goes?

Yes.

Putrefaction said:
8. 窶突??愿ｺ窶ｰﾂｽﾅ?ﾃｺ窶堋ｲ窶堙ｫ窶敕毒津､窶敕鯛?堙ｰﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｪ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
窶ｹﾃ｣ﾅｽﾅｾ窶堋ｲ窶堙ｫ窶敕毒津､窶敕鯛?堙ｰ窶卍ｸ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

8. 窶突??愿ｺ窶ｰﾂｽﾅｽﾅｾ窶堋ｲ窶堙ｫ窶敕毒津､窶敕鯛?堙ｰﾂ渉｢窶堋ｵﾂ湘｣窶堋ｪ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？
窶ｹﾃ｣ﾅｽﾅｾ窶堋ｲ窶堙ｫ窶卍ｸ窶堋ｫ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。(same as #2)

Putrefaction said:
10. 窶愿ｺ窶怒窶｢ﾂｶﾅ?w窶堙俄?ｹﾂｻ窶督｡窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？ﾂ（is there an honorific for arimasu?ﾂ）

I would say 窶愿ｺ窶怒窶｢ﾂｶﾅ?w窶堙俄?ｹﾂｻ窶督｡窶堋ｪ窶堋ｨ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩ or 窶ｹﾂｻ窶督｡窶堙ｰ窶堋ｨﾅｽﾂ昶?堋ｿ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

Putrefaction said:
窶堙坂?堋｢ﾂ、窶ｹﾂｻ窶督｡窶堋ｪ窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ

窶堙坂?堋｢ﾂ、窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ(same as #2)

Putrefaction · 4 Feb 2010

窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶｢ﾃ版ｽ窶凪?堋ｪ窶凅窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙昶?堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙遺?堋ｪ窶堙ｧ窶禿ｲﾅ?w窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堙坂?愿ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋｢ﾂ。窶ｹﾃ溪?堋｢窶愿?窶堙嫁ｽﾅｽﾅ陳ｱ窶堙ｰﾅｽO窶凪?｡窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｩ窶堋ｵﾂ，ﾋ彁窶｢Sﾆ馳ﾂーﾆ淡窶堙?窶愿??堙懌?堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙寂?堙遺?堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堋ｵﾂ。窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堙昶?堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾋ?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙俄?ｰﾃｯ窶堋ｦ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。

Toritoribe · 5 Feb 2010

Putrefaction said:
窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶｢ﾃ版ｽ窶凪?堋ｪ窶凅窶堙ｪ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙昶?堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ。窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙遺?堋ｪ窶堙ｧ窶禿ｲﾅ?w窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堙坂?愿ｯ窶堋ｵ窶堋｢ﾂ。窶ｹﾃ溪?堋｢窶愿?窶堙嫁ｽﾅｽﾅ陳ｱ窶堙ｰﾅｽO窶凪?｡窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｩ窶堋ｵﾂ，ﾋ彁窶｢Sﾆ馳ﾂーﾆ淡窶堙?窶愿??堙懌?堙遺?堋ｯ窶堙ｪ窶堙寂?堙遺?堙ｧ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堋ｵﾂ。窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堙昶?堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾋ?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙俄?ｰﾃｯ窶堋ｦ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。

窶堋ｷ窶堙寂?堙ｧ窶堋ｵ窶堋｢ﾂ！ﾂ！

Just few corrections.
窶ｹﾃ溪?堋｢窶愿?窶堙嫁ｽﾅｽﾅ陳ｱ窶堙ｰﾅｽO窶凪?｡窶堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｩ窶堋ｵ
窶ｹﾃ溪?堋｢窶愿?窶堙嫁ｽﾅｽﾅ陳ｱ窶堋ｪﾅｽO窶ｰﾃｱ窶堋?窶堙ｩ窶堋ｵ
(I have three tests soon)

窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堙昶?堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
ﾂ（窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧﾂ）窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙ｦ窶堋､窶堙?ｽv窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾂ？

ﾋ?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙俄?ｰﾃｯ窶堋ｦ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。
ﾋ?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙俄?ｰﾃｯ窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。

Putrefaction · 5 Feb 2010

直してくださってありがとうございます。でも，「一回しか先生に会っていません。」... "I can only meet with my teacher once a week" vs "I only meet with my teacher once a week"? わかりません。

日本語を勉強しようと思います。

I will probably study Japanese, or is it a 誤訳？

もう大丈夫ですか？"Person A and Person B are my two favorite Japanese-learning people". Awkward sentence.

Person AとPerson Bが私の好きな日本語を勉強している二人です。

今日，九時から五時半まで病院で働かなければならない。それから，七時ごろ化学を勉強します。。。日本語の勉強する時がどこか知りません。* ああ，フォルムの人は日本に行くので，たくさん本を買ってくれてほしいです。何本がいいですか？たくさん円を費やしたくない，古本と「Bargain Books」も買いつもりと思います。

Toritoribe · 7 Feb 2010

Putrefaction said:
窶卍ｼ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｭ窶堋ｾ窶堋ｳ窶堙≫?堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶堙??堙?ﾂ，ﾂ「ﾋ?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱ窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙俄?ｰﾃｯ窶堙≫?堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。ﾂ」... "I can only meet with my teacher once a week" vs "I only meet with my teacher once a week"? 窶堙ｭ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。

Ah, I see. If you want to say "once a week," ﾂ週窶堙閏/COLOR] must be needed.

I can only meet with my teacher once a week.
ﾂ週窶堙架?ｪ窶ｰﾃｱ/ﾋ?ｪ窶忸窶堋ｵ窶堋ｩﾂ静ｦﾂ青ｶ窶堙俄?ｰﾃｯ窶堋ｦ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱ/窶ｰﾃｯ窶堋ｦ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。

Putrefaction said:
I will probably study Japanese, or is it a ﾅ津ｫ窶禿ｳﾂ？

窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堙昶?堙懌?堋ｷ sounds more likely "I try to learn Japanese." I would say 窶堋ｱ窶堙ｪ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｧ窶堙坂?愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋ｷ for that case.

Putrefaction said:
"Person A and Person B are my two favorite Japanese-learning people". Awkward sentence.

Person A窶堙?erson B窶堋ｪﾅｽ窶樞?堙個好窶堋ｫ窶堙遺?愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙ｩ窶愿ｱﾂ人窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

This could be interpreted that ﾅｽ窶樞?堙個好窶堋ｫ窶堙 is qualifying 窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ or "Person A and Person B are the persons who are learning my favorite Japanese." ﾅｽ窶樞?堙個好窶堋ｫ窶堙?窶堙?窶堙債、窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｵ窶堙??堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷ might sound natural.

Putrefaction said:
窶愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙娯?｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩﾅｽﾅｾ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋ｱ窶堋ｩ窶冦窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。

窶堋｢窶堙や?愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｪ窶堙寂?堋｢窶堋｢窶堋ｩ窶堙ｭ窶堋ｩ窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。ﾂ（ﾂ?≫?愿ｺ窶怒ﾅ津ｪ窶堙ｰ窶｢ﾃ冷?ｹﾂｭ窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩﾅｽﾅｾﾅ?ﾃ披?堋ｪ窶堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｹ窶堙ｱﾂ。ﾂ）

Putrefaction said:
ﾆ稚ﾆ辿ﾆ停?ｹﾆ停ぎ

"Forum" is usually written as ﾆ稚ﾆ辿ﾂーﾆ停?ｰﾆ停ぎ in katakana. ﾆ稚ﾆ辿ﾆ停?ｹﾆ停ぎ is only used as the historical term to mean "forum in Ancient Rome" or as the meaning of "form," which is from its German or French pronunciation.

Putrefaction said:
窶敞停?堙≫?堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙??堙吮?堋ｵ窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

窶敞停?堙≫?堙??堋ｫ窶堙??堙吮?堋ｵ窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。

Putrefaction said:
窶ｰﾂｽ窶怒窶堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

窶堙??堙ｱ窶堙遺?怒窶堋ｪ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

Putrefaction said:
窶堋ｽ窶堋ｭ窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶ｰ~窶堙ｰ窶敕ｯ窶堙｢窶堋ｵ窶堋ｽ窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋｢ﾂ，ﾅ津??怒窶堙?「Bargain Booksﾂ」窶堙?窶敞停?堋｢窶堙や?堙?窶堙ｨ窶堙?ｽv窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。

窶堋?窶堙懌?堙ｨ窶堋ｨ窶ｹﾃ?窶堙ｰﾅｽg窶堋｢窶堋ｽ窶堋ｭ窶堙遺?堋｢窶堙娯?堙?、ﾅ津??怒窶堙｢窶愿≫?昶?樞?堙娯?怒窶堙?窶敞停?堋､窶堙や?堙?窶堙ｨ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ。
In Japan, book prices are protected by the resale price maintenance system, so bargain sales for books are quite rare.

Putrefaction · 7 Feb 2010

ありがとうございます。

This could be interpreted that 私の好きな is qualifying 日本語 or "Person A and Person B are the persons who are learning my favorite Japanese." 私の好きなAとBは、日本語を勉強しています might sound natural.

I'll have to review it a bit more, but yes, when I read it again it looked like it was my favorite japanese. Your sentence is also a bit odd for me but it should be ok after a bit.

いつ日本語を勉強すればいいかわかりません。（＝日本語を勉強する時間がありません。）

Ooh, I was way off, I thought I would be, I starred it. I think the どこ is for physical places, I should've used いつ. I also don't think I did ーればいい yet.

買ってきてほしいです。

I thought it was ーてくれる? And for the other part, ーてほしい？

あまりお金を使いたくないので、古本や特売の本も買うつもりです。

Because you don't want to (use) a lot of money, things like old books and special sales of books intend to buy. いい語訳ですか？(Also, ごやく can be taken a lot of ways? 語訳誤訳 mean the opposite, right?)

I guess I will ask him to pick up whatever he can. トリトリベさんはざっきいい本を読みますか？

Toritoribe · 7 Feb 2010

Putrefaction said:
I thought it was ﾂー窶堙??堋ｭ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｩ? And for the other part, ﾂー窶堙??堙吮?堋ｵ窶堋｢ﾂ？

Did you want to say "I want someone to buy me many books", by any chance?

Putrefaction said:
Because you don't want to (use) a lot of money, things like old books and special sales of books intend to buy. 窶堋｢窶堋｢ﾅ津ｪ窶禿ｳ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？(Also, 窶堋ｲ窶堙｢窶堋ｭ can be taken a lot of ways? ﾅ津ｪ窶禿ｳﾂﾅ津ｫ窶禿ｳ mean the opposite, right?)

The subject of the sentence is "I."
窶禿ｳ is more commonly used, and yes, ﾅ津ｫ窶禿ｳ means "mistranslation/misinterpretation."

Putrefaction said:
ﾆ暖ﾆ椎?ﾆ暖ﾆ椎?ﾆ遅窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱ窶堙坂?堋ｴ窶堙≫?堋ｫ窶堋｢窶堋｢窶怒窶堙ｰ窶愿??堙昶?堙懌?堋ｷ窶堋ｩﾂ？

窶堋ｴ窶堙≫?堋ｫ <--> ﾂ催??ｹﾃ淞？

Putrefaction · 7 Feb 2010

You know what, I put down 最近 and then I deleted it for ざっき. I'm not sure why, I think one means "a little while ago" and the other one means recently?

So just やく and not ごやく. Thanks!

Yes sir, I did want someone to buy me books. Otherwise, 買って来て would be to buy and bring, right?

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