How do most Japanese view WW2 today?

I find it easy to sympathize with the japanese position during WW2 if one understands the history and mentality of western imperialism. The west has a very short term historic memory and a flawed understanding of cause and effect. It's laughable that the dominant historic viewpoints in western history are based around ideas of "irrational ultranationalism manifesting out of thin air" and "insane political leaders born from Satan" etc as the cause and not the effect.

Macrobiotic said:

I find it easy to sympathize with the japanese position during WW2 if one understands the history and mentality of western imperialism. The west has a very short term historic memory and a flawed understanding of cause and effect. It's laughable that the dominant historic viewpoints in western history are based around ideas of "irrational ultranationalism manifesting out of thin air" and "insane political leaders born from Satan" etc as the cause and not the effect.

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The Japanese position is about 50 percent understandable: get control of it's surrounding territory, and control of resources, as Europeans had done for hundreds of years.

Most of the real complaint about Japan's behaviour in WWII and the years leading up to it aren't those parts. it's the abuse of human lives who weren't Japanese, and therefore less than human, that fuels arguments today. Do you find Japanese using live Chinese as target practice easy to sympathise with? I think I know what you mean, but I would be careful with my words when describing this.

Germany had a legitimate gripe with how it came out of WWI, but that doesn't excuse Auschwitz.

Of course the killing of chinese civilians was inexcusable but if you understand the history of the chinese tributary system which Japan left in 894, and the relations between east asian nations, these feelings of hatred between the people becomes a little more understandable. Japan was basically considered the ugly duckling of East Asia for centuries and maybe they felt proud of their cultural and social accomplishments as an isolated and slandered nation. The chinese themselves had a many centuries old tradition of racism towards japanese who in turn probably conquered China with many soldiers feeling there was no need to have pity on a people which did not respect or even acknowledge Japan and who still considered chinese culture as superior to that of the "barbarians" or "little yellow monkeys" which is also another chinese term for japanese.

I also think much of the violence wasn't as organized and meticulously planned as for example the Holocaust in Europe. For example Nanking seems to have been a spontaneous result of bad morale and an incompetent commander appointed hastily because of ties to the emperor. Japan shouldn't have to distance themselves from an entire chapter in their history and have to accept being forcefed the idea that the war was all their fault and that the war in itself was a crime.

I would have gone crazy if I was japanese and lived squashed between chinese and korean hostility on one hand and continued western imperialism dictating the japanese constitution as well as how japanese must view their own history. It's absurd that one nation is made a scapegoat while the west washes its hands of its own past and ongoing imperialism.

You're more forgiving of Japan's crimes than I.

Glenski said:

My mistake. Thanks.

And, yes, the idiot Abe actually said in his election campaign that he WOULD visit, although hedged on various points in an interview later. Idiot.
Incoming PM Abe vague on issues with China, Yasukuni Shrine visits - The Japan Daily Press


"He also stated that visiting the shrine should not be a problem, despite the fact that China takes offense when Prime Ministers visit "

Did I call him an idiot yet?

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According to Suga Yoshihide, who is close to Abe and is becoming Chief Cabinet Secretary in the next Abe Cabinet, China required Abe to declare that he would never visit Yasukuni Shrine as a precondition of a Japan-China summit meeting when Abe was PM in 2006. Suga refused it and then added that Abe was a realist. At the end, the summit was held without saying anything about Yasukuni, and issued a joint statement "Mutually Beneficial Relationship Based on Common Strategic Interests".
Yesterday, Abe said that he was considering when the ceremony of The Day of Takeshima would be held, in spite of an LDP's election pledge that the ceremony should be held by the Japanese Government.
Is he idiot? He shouldn't have said like that and should have said that he wouldn't visit Yasukuni as China required?

He simply shouldn't visit the shrine or he obvious reasons espoused many times. Who states those reasons is unimportant. Yes, he is an idiot, as are all PMs who disregard the nature of the shrine and make excuses for visiting.

As for the Takeshima island thing, news I read said the LDP pledged to have T day, but now when his election is nearing, Abe hedged on it. More political backpedaling to avoid direct conflict and public outrage, or a least minimize it until he's in. Yawn.

Macrobiotic said:

Of course the killing of chinese civilians was inexcusable but if you understand the history of the chinese tributary system which Japan left in 894, and the relations between east asian nations, these feelings of hatred between the people becomes a little more understandable. Japan was basically considered the ugly duckling of East Asia for centuries and maybe they felt proud of their cultural and social accomplishments as an isolated and slandered nation. The chinese themselves had a many centuries old tradition of racism towards japanese who in turn probably conquered China with many soldiers feeling there was no need to have pity on a people which did not respect or even acknowledge Japan and who still considered chinese culture as superior to that of the "barbarians" or "little yellow monkeys" which is also another chinese term for japanese.

I also think much of the violence wasn't as organized and meticulously planned as for example the Holocaust in Europe. For example Nanking seems to have been a spontaneous result of bad morale and an incompetent commander appointed hastily because of ties to the emperor. Japan shouldn't have to distance themselves from an entire chapter in their history and have to accept being forcefed the idea that the war was all their fault and that the war in itself was a crime.

I would have gone crazy if I was japanese and lived squashed between chinese and korean hostility on one hand and continued western imperialism dictating the japanese constitution as well as how japanese must view their own history. It's absurd that one nation is made a scapegoat while the west washes its hands of its own past and ongoing imperialism.

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Wow... I don't know if the so call "Chinese racism" justify it all lol. And to be fair, the old Chinese dynasties didn't single out Japanese people as some kind of inferior race, this is more of the Chinese themselves sees them as the superior civilization than everyone else. That China was the center of the world and everyone else should go to it and pay tribute. This includes all of their neighbors, Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Burma and they even had that kind of mentality towards the British when they encounter them... (which didn't work out too well) But one thing for sure, China was not like the European civilization that actively sending out military force to conquer far away land on purpose, I see Chinese expansion's pattern more like conquering buffer lands that are connected to their territory.

What Japanese did was not following the Chinese tradition, they were more or less followed the European ways of warfare, actively seeking out territory far away for expansion and exploitation

I am having a hard time to justify your position that because the old timer Chinese were culture supremacist, therefore they deserve the invasion... as if China would done the same to Japan... which history clearly shown that they didn't.

But again... all successful civilization that existed on earth held the believed they were the center of the world, Japan did did during the war, they thought only the Japanese are the superior race than anyone else. Nazi Germany did this, Ancient Greeks did this, Romans did this, Persians did it, and even the Jewish's central core of belief is that they were the "chosen" people by god. (wouldn't be more arrogant IMO)

And to think about it, in some way even the modern day Americans thinks the same way too. Just google "American exceptionalism" to read about it.

Anyway... I'm done with this discussion. I just think that it is in Japan's best interest to deal with their past, otherwise they will always be the sheepdog of Asia which prevents them really integrating with the rest of the Asians or the world.

I'm pretty sure that Every time the Japanese PM visits the Shine the Chinese leadership felt very happy about it, this gives them more fuel to channel the past to strengthen their rule. The worst thing to the Chinese leadership is that Japan actually deal with the past in a honest way.

The 21th century belong to Asia, I rather see a united Asia than a divided one.

"I am well aware of the crimes that American had made in the past, of how they genocides an entire race of people (Native Americans) and enslaved another race of people (Africans) to develop this land."

I take exception to this statement. Most Native Americans were wiped out by diseases brought to the New World mainly by Spanish, French, and English. Many of the surviving Natives interbred with the European immigrants and their descendants are still among us today. Other Natives survive in communities with much of their language and culture intact.

Early in our history when Natives and Americans encountered each other, there were atrocities committed by both sides. The Natives ended up losing because of the Americans' superior technology and numbers, not because the Natives had any superior morality.

And Americans did not enslave Africans. Africans were enslaved by other Africans, and brought to America mainly by European ships. Some Americans were guilty of owning, buying, and selling these slaves after arrival, but let's get our facts straight. Still, I admit that slavery is a black stain on our history. We fought our worst war ever to end that institution.

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The 21th century belong to Asia, I rather see a united Asia than a divided one.

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I would rather say that the final stage of the long overdue global capitalism belong to China and India. One can only watch them having a massive heart failure in slow motion.

Macrobiotic said:

I would rather say that the final stage of the long overdue global capitalism belong to China and India. One can only watch them having a massive heart failure in slow motion.

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Well, all indication points that China is following Japan's footstep. Massive state investment into infrastructure, manufacturing focused and export oriented economy with cheap stuff first, then moving up the production value chain with the last step into massive consumerism.

China and India is just doing this at 10x larger scale than Japan, but on individual basis not much better /worse than Japan or USA... so if you want to condemn China, you pretty much condemn Japan.. or rest of the capitalist economy on earth which probably include where you life...

This is a problem with human race, economic growth at the expense massive resource extraction. So everyone on earth are more alike than you would like to make out the differences.

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RolandtheHeadless said:

"I am well aware of the crimes that American had made in the past, of how they genocides an entire race of people (Native Americans) and enslaved another race of people (Africans) to develop this land."

I take exception to this statement. Most Native Americans were wiped out by diseases brought to the New World mainly by Spanish, French, and English. Many of the surviving Natives interbred with the European immigrants and their descendants are still among us today. Other Natives survive in communities with much of their language and culture intact.

Early in our history when Natives and Americans encountered each other, there were atrocities committed by both sides. The Natives ended up losing because of the Americans' superior technology and numbers, not because the Natives had any superior morality.

And Americans did not enslave Africans. Africans were enslaved by other Africans, and brought to America mainly by European ships. Some Americans were guilty of owning, buying, and selling these slaves after arrival, but let's get our facts straight. Still, I admit that slavery is a black stain on our history. We fought our worst war ever to end that institution.

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Yes, over 90 percent of native American died of smallpox. BUT there was also very much deliberate policy from the settlers to eliminate the native population through warfare, deception, divide and conquer etc... This is all in the textbooks, nothing to be proud of.

As for the slave issue, ask yourself, where are all the slave ended up? America. You can't just fault the supplier for the problem, that would be saying Mexico's bloody drug war is the sole fault of the Mexico alone, even though almost all the drugs that the cartel fighting over ended up being sold in America.

Everyone shares the blames, the end consumer does not get a moral break from this. And you should know slavery is one of the worse thing our nation have done, there is no excuse for it.

WOW....

Japan PM Abe wants to replace landmark war apology: paper - Yahoo! News

I really hope Japan's April fool's day is beginning of the year.

I don't live in Japan, so I cannot answer the question about what Japanese think about the war. But I'm an historian, so I can express some ideas about that time and the problem that we face now looking back at those times. I'm Italian, and here the memory of Mussolini, fascism, the war and the german occupation it is alive, but it's distorted. Some political parties and movements define themself as "fascist", but they really don't know what fascism was. On the other hand after the war the communist and socialist parties created the myth of the italian resistence to the fascist and nazi occupation, but the truth was that they were few, too few to liberate Italy by themself, and were the americans that liberate Italy, not the partisans.

It's important to remember the past, but it's also important to remember it right . In the case of Japan today there is nobody who define himself as "fascist", so there are no political difficulties that block the Japanese from study their past. but there are other problems. The atrocities done by the Japanese soldiers were many, and they were also very difficult to explain. The Germans can put all the guilt on Hitler and his propaganda, even if it's a too easy escape to explain all. But the Japanese had no Hitler to blame, so all the blame at the time of the defeat went on the army. But all families have men in the army, so all the families of Japan, all Japanese were blamed for the war and the defeat. This is one of the reasons that make hard for the to look at the past, because they cannot explain were those brutal and ferocious acts come from. Japan was a peaceful land in the Meiji era, Japanese people didn't see many soldiers around, the society weren't militarized at all, the change happened very quickly and afer the first world war Japan find himself with the german colonies and some other territories without much effort.

I think the origin of the violence agaist all conquered people lies in the education. in the years before the war japanese people the taugh about the divinity of the emperor, and Japan were already a confucian society, were gerarchy is important and you have to obey and respect the elders, the teachers and those who have the political power. And before the war Japanese propaganda instilled hate against koreans and chinese, they were described as inferior civilization in comparison to japanese. Nobody ordered those crimes, but with that education, with the idea that they have to hate the enemy (and the enemy in general, so also the civilians who cannot fight) and that they were inferior races, mass murder and enslavement were natural consequences.

Today, like you have said, the problem with China is political. Mao used in the past the Nanking atrocities to cement chinese people, and increase national feelings. The modern chinese governments do the same, it's an easy way to divert the attention of chinese people from the many problems of their life, if they protest against Japan they don't protest against the government. But it's not so easy, there is also some true feeling against Japanese in the chinese population, many old chinese have told their story to the younger generations. And for Koreans it's the same. It's true that most of the chinese don't bother to think about Japan, they think about their survival, or about the opportunities that the growth of chinese economy can give them, but they are not all like that. It's not that chinese can fear that the history will repeat itself, Japan cannot try another time to conquer China, even with american aid, but the Japanese textbooks were never revised to tell the truth about the war, and that is something wrong and stupid. the jews today don't hate the modern germans, but in Germany they don't have deleted Hitler and the nazism from the textbooks saying that his claim on Poland and est Europe were at least partly right after the unjust peace of Versaille.

From the Japanese point of view the problem is that China is a huge nuclear superpower, and in case of a war Japan would be obliterated. even without a war, they fear that year after year the chinese will demand more and more from Japan, now there are only some little island claimed by the chinese, but in the future they can make Japan something like a chinese protectorate. And the dependency of the Japanese economy from China it's something that add other fears in the Japanese people.

Chinese people have a good reputation of insistence. If you did something wrong to them or "us", they would hate you for the whole life long, Even between us. I live in Hong Kong. People are already fighting each other for resources, even between mainlanders or hong kongers....
Besides, they want large, they want big, they want agitated and extremely selfish (but they are unable), then what they think of as a result of loss of self-esteem..., not play by the rules (massive corruption) etc
Trust me, they will never quit...
I don't know why. But it is true enough

My Japanese wife is nowadays more interested in U.S. politics than she ever was in Japanese.

I'd asked her once what the rationale was for Japan's attack on the U.S. (as I've had a hard time
really figuring that one out, it still seems a bit arbitrary) and she had no idea, and was
even surprised at the idea that Japan had teamed up with the Nazis. It was like the thought
hadn't really occurred to her.

She's a bright woman, but I think there's a large amount of Japanese that really don't care
at all about history. Perhaps wiping all history of WWII has been easier for them than
truly apologizing or trying to face things. It feels somewhat like a mother than refuses
to even hear that her son was committing crimes. Just put your hands over your ears
until it goes away.

As a tatemae, (ppl would say war was bad(i think every were wars were bad),
however,as honne..
I think many of them see like this

[video=youtube;qkAoBXXElRA] The Wartime History of Japan, ﾃ･窶｡窶ｺﾃ｣ﾂ?ｨﾃ｣ﾂ≫?氾｣ﾂ?ｦﾃｦ窶樞?ｺﾃ｣€€(ﾃｨ窶ｹﾂｱﾃ･ﾂｭ窶氾･ﾂｹ窶｢ﾃｧ窶ｰﾋ? 2/7 - YouTube
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The Wartime History of Japan, ﾃ･窶｡窶ｺﾃ｣ﾂ?ｨﾃ｣ﾂ≫?氾｣ﾂ?ｦﾃｦ窶樞?ｺﾃ｣€€(ﾃｨ窶ｹﾂｱﾃ･ﾂｭ窶氾･ﾂｹ窶｢ﾃｧ窶ｰﾋ? 5/7 - YouTube
The Wartime History of Japan, ﾃ･窶｡窶ｺﾃ｣ﾂ?ｨﾃ｣ﾂ≫?氾｣ﾂ?ｦﾃｦ窶樞?ｺﾃ｣€€(ﾃｨ窶ｹﾂｱﾃ･ﾂｭ窶氾･ﾂｹ窶｢ﾃｧ窶ｰﾋ? 6/7 - YouTube
The Wartime History of Japan, ﾃ･窶｡窶ｺﾃ｣ﾂ?ｨﾃ｣ﾂ≫?氾｣ﾂ?ｦﾃｦ窶樞?ｺﾃ｣€€(ﾃｨ窶ｹﾂｱﾃ･ﾂｭ窶氾･ﾂｹ窶｢ﾃｧ窶ｰﾋ? 7/7 - YouTube

A long time ago? it hasn't even been a century! You Japanese are changing the text in your own textbooks. That's why we're angry. I mean, seriously. You Conquered Korea, you didn't advance. And your stupid claims of Takeshima isn't really working things out well.

Japanese peoples at that time were more discipline than today's Japanese
military discipline was very severe..
it can not imagine such like Nanking..
Many foreigners are deceived... do they trust communist party's propagandas?
look at now. what is happening?
look at the Chinese riots last year...







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this video is interesting.
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Taiwanese history after WW2
how changed the life style?










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[video=youtube;avrKdYbRboU] The History of Taiwan: Postwar Era and The 228 Incident (2/7) - YouTube
The History of Taiwan: Postwar Era and The 228 Incident (3/7) - YouTube
The History of Taiwan: Postwar Era and The 228 Incident (4/7) - YouTube
The History of Taiwan: Postwar Era and The 228 Incident (5/7) - YouTube
The History of Taiwan: Postwar Era and The 228 Incident (6/7) - YouTube
The History of Taiwan: Postwar Era and The 228 Incident (7/7) - YouTube

by the way this is interesting
as for Myanmar
they are still using Japanese navy march.

Myanmar Military BIA to SPDC (Myanma Tatmadaw) Army Song - YouTube


Children of Myanmar Who Behave like Japanese Soldiers:
A Possible Third Element in Personality^^
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_19_2_stevenson.pdf

Unknown history
Nemoto Hiroshi: Shadow warrior behind the 1949 Battle of Guningtou

The Battle of Guningtou in 1949 is often cited as a glorious chapter in the Kuomintang's military history. But little do people know that Japanese military officers, who were the Kuomintang troops's enemy during the Second World War, were instrumental in the Kuomintang's victory over the Communists in the battle.

One of such Japanese military officers was Lieutenant General Nemoto Hiroshi (pictured). He commanded Japan's North China Area Army just as World War II was ending.

On August 15, 1945, Japanese Emperor Hirohito gave a recorded radio address to the nation in which he announced the surrender of Japan.

Seeing the Soviet Russian army looting in Manchuria, Nemoto defied the Japanese emperor's order of surrender and fought with the Russians and their Chinese Communist sidekicks. Although the odds were against him, Nemoto defeated the Soviet army and turned to Chiang Kai-shek, the Allied commander-in-chief of the China Theater. Chiang was very impressed by Nemoto's victory over the Soviets, and received him in Beijing.

Although Nemoto had to be repatriated to Japan, he was eager to return to Chiang. With the help of friends, he bought a ship and sneaked to Taiwan with a few friends. At the time Chiang and his Kuomintang troops had retreated to Taiwan, but the Civil War with the Chinese Communists was still ongoing.


Nemoto and other Japanese officers served as advisors to the Kuomintang army.

When Chiang learned that Nemoto had arrived in Taiwan, he sent Nemoto to help Kuomintang General Tang En-po in Fujian, which was the only province not yet fallen to the Communists.

After seeing Fujian, Nemoto said there was no way the Kuomintang could hold onto Fujian because of logistics problems, and he advised that the Kuomintang moved their troops to Kinmen, a group of small islands just off the coast of Fujian.

Nemoto devised a series of strategies to help the Kuomintang troops fight the Communists, including building underground facilities, like the ones the Japanese built in Iwo Jima. Nemoto also correctly predicted where the Chinese Communists would hand on Kinmen.

In the clash, which became known as the Battle of Guningtou, all the Chinese Communist troops landed on Kinmen were effectively lost. The rare victory for the Kuomintang provided a much needed moral boost. The battle also halted the Communists' advance towards Taiwan.

To thank Nemoto for his help, Chiang Kai-shek gave him one of a pair of precious vases (pictured) that he kept in his office before Nemoto returned to Japan in 1952.

These vases are precious because there are only three pairs. One pair was given to Queen Elizabeth II as a wedding gift and also a celebratory gift to mark China and Britain's victory in World War II. Another pair was presented to the Japanese Imperial Family, and the third pair was kept in Chiang Kai-shek's personal collection.

Nemoto's daughter is scheduled to visit Taiwan in March and donate the vase to the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall in Taipei.

* Pictures 2 and 3 courtesy of Yuenchijai, publisher of the Chinese-language version of a biography on Nemoto (この命、義に捧ぐ~台湾を救った陸軍中将根本博の奇跡 ~).

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Nemoto Hiroshi: Shadow warrior behind the 1949 Battle of Guningtou | Hear in Taiwan

today many former Japanese ( originally taiwanese) want to get back japanese nationality

Taiwan Civil Government
Taiwan Civil Government
Japan and Taiwan Union Consensus
http://www.taiwan.gr/japan-and-taiwan-union-consensus.html

Formosan lost their Japanese nationality on April 28, 1952. Therefore, who are these stateless people? Not Chinese, not Japanese, what nationality if they are not legal Taiwanese nationality? Okinawans were not "Japanese" under the USA until 1972 reversion back to Japan.

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http://www.taiwan.gr/a-statement-of-regaining-the-territories-of-great-japan-by-tcg.html

Worshipping the Yasukuni Jinja

Eulogy In memory of the Taiwanese Spirits

Greetings to all the Spirits of the Taiwanese heroes in the Yasukuni Shrine! We come here today as a group of native Taiwanese people, representing the Taiwan Civil Government, which has been organized under international law.

After WWII in the Pacific, from the coming into force of the San Francisco Peace Treaty (SFPT) some 59 years ago, this is the first time that a group of native Taiwanese people have come to the Yasukuni Shrine to give thanks and pay respects to the souls of our Taiwan heroes. We are deeply sorry that we have been so late in coming.

After the conquest of Japan by the United States in WWII, under the laws of war, the law of nations, and all relevant international precedent, the US military authorities must make arrangements for establishing a local civil government in Japan's conquered overseas territories, in a similar fashion to dealing with the Ryukyu Islands. Hence, the Taiwan Civil Government (TCG) announced its establishment on Feb. 2, 2008, and with the help of the US Executive Branch officials then established a Washington D.C. representative office on July 4, 2010. A celebratory Cocktail Party was held at the Four Seasons Hotel, Washington D.C. on Sept. 8, 2010. Please see our English language website at Taiwan Civil Government. On Nov. 6, 2010, the appointments to the TCG's Cabinet and Senate were finalized.

From Oct. 25, 1945, when the Chinese began the military occupation of Taiwan on behalf of the USA, the native Taiwanese have endured 66 years of cultural brainwashing, and their native character has diminished generation by generation, with the result that there are no brave persons in Taiwan today who can compare with the Taiwanese heroes in the Yasukuni Shrine. At present under international law, the ROC is an exiled regime, the native Taiwanese are stateless, which means without a country to which to give allegiance. If there were to be war in Southeast Asia, for what reasons should the native Taiwanese fight? For whom should they fight? Today, the native Taiwanese have come to the Yasukuni Shrine to recover their original purpose for existence, and their souls.

We remember all of the brave spirits who died for the Japanese motherland and have been placed here in the Yasukuni Shrine. Indeed, we can say that their memories are held in honor. In the Fall of 1945, after the conclusion of hostilities in the Pacific War, many native Taiwanese soldiers (of Japanese nationality) were sent to China by the ROC regime to fight in the Chinese civil war, in violation of the international norms regarding the treatment of persons in occupied territory. Then, in 1947, the 228 Incident erupted in occupied Taiwan, and thousands of native Taiwanese were slaughtered. Others died in the fighting in the Korean War, beginning in 1950. These were all innocent victims of the ROC regime's governance of Taiwan, and we were further saddened by their passing.

Emperor Hirohito was deeply moved by the sacrifices and suffering which you endured, and on April 1, 1945, he issued an Imperial Rescript, which raised Taiwan's position from the status of colony to fully incorporated national territory. He granted political rights to native Taiwanese persons, and thus recognized the great contributions which native Taiwanese people have made to the motherland of Japan. The TCG also acknowledges your great contributions, and prays that you will use your spiritual power to assist us, so that we can achieve the normalization of Taiwan's legal status at an early date.

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http://www.taiwan.gr/worshipping-the-yasukuni-jinja


I think japan should make islander Federation

caster55 said:

Japanese peoplesﾂ at that time were more discipline than today's Japanese
military discipline was very severe..
it can not imagine such like Nanking..
Many foreigners are deceived... do they trust communist party's propagandas?
look at now. what is happening?
look at the Chinese riots last year...

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It's sad when people deny history. Luckily, the uyoku are a disrespected minority in Japan. Many Japanese are not informed of their history, but only a small amount are in flat-out denial. You have my sympathy.

nahadef said:

It's sad when people deny history. Luckily, the uyoku are a disrespected minority in Japan. Many Japanese are not informed of their history, but only a small amount are in flat-out denial. You have my sympathy.

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whose history? Probably, it will be easy to put a label to other's view. what Japan history do you need? western view of history? this thread is" How do most Japanese views WW2 today?"









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It is true, China hates Japan. The reason why Japan's neighbors are pretty much because of the past.

caster55 said:

whose history? Probably, it will be easy to put a labelﾂ to other's view. what Japan history do you need? western view of history? this thread is" How do most Japanese views WW2 today?"

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Uyoku are not most Japanese. Most Japanese try to ignore their stupid black vans and their myopic, self-pitying interpretations of facts.

those ordinal Peoples already know it well


When talking with a foreigner or in public about ww2, it speaks only Tatemae becuaese of conflict.
most people would not say truth as honnne.
and people knows why Japan entered he ww2 by cause and effect.

Yeah sure, when Japanese are on their own, they suddenly care about WWII all of a sudden. And when there are no foreigners around, I suppose they cheer for uyoku vans as they pass. It's tatemae that make them look away to avoid them... Sorry, but if Japan really felt the way uyoku claimed, things in Japan simply wouldn't be the way they are.
Personally, I think all the countries in WWII had some responsibility for it, going back to the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles, but anyone making Japan out to be the good guy is pretty delusional. Japan did vile things.
Anyway, reality trumps fantasy. Japan has integrated with the rest of the world, has become a leader as a peaceful nation, and is all the more respected for it (and takes pride in it too!). At the same time, Japan has embraced foreign culture, dress, and customs. I'm sure it makes the right-wing furious, just as an American redneck is infuriated by the kids listening to black music, but that's just how things are. The number of foreigners living in Japan will continue to increase, and the notion of Japan vs. the world tatemae will become the realm of a very unhappy minority.

Okay, I myself am actually a Korean, and I want to tell you the reason for the WW2 things.
WW2 isn't ancient history. It's only been 70 years since the war.

1) Korea is really just...frustrated.
ﾂ?ｦTrue. Korea is a small country but it had defeated millions of men back in the old days, and it would have been shame to be defeated by Japan. (I shouldn't continue. It's gonna get silly if I keep on going.)

2) It's a painful history.
ﾂ?ｦEven 1st Graders in Korea are taught about the war. And they teach that Dokdo is Korean. (I actually tested you guys out in the forum thing. And I faked as a Japanese in a Korean blog and believe me, the response wasn't pretty. But I am a Korean, it's true.)

3) Korean people fear WW2 events being repeated.
ﾂ?ｦI wouldn't want that to happen. But guns are history. If there is another war, the species homo-sapiens is toast. NUKES!!!! :O

4) Liancourt rock dispute.
ﾂ?ｦI'd rather rant about communism.

That's for me, guys. PEACE OFF!