How do modern Japanese feel about Koreans?

canadian_kor · 28 Jul 2004

Ogumo said:
I look at the korean halfs as two completely different people. For the north I hold complete hate. I feel that japan should not give them any form of aid. We should not be trying to save their lives while they conspire to take ours.

For the south koreans I am in different about them. I do not really have anything against them except the fact that they attempt to play down their racism to japanese people and over blow japanese racism to koreans. Even so I feel that both groups should work close for mutual understand to one another. A good relationship may prove to be beneficial to both countries.

It is sad but true. My people have often downplayed their racism against the Japanese, but exaggerated any sort of contempt Japanese people have towards them. I think both sides need to calm down and look closely in the mirror.

Also, when I look at North Korea it makes me really sad. Not only due to the fact that people are suffering under a tyrannical regime that doesn't/cannot feed its people, but the fact that the North Korean leadership mistakenly shows the rest of the world what type of people Koreans are: exploitative, greedy, and non-sensical people. Look at Cuba, China, and Vietnam, at least their leadership tries to do something for the people (though all those countries are definitely not utopias). The North Korean regime is not communistic at all, it is an old-style monarchy with modern weapons and communistic slogans. The Juche idea is a miserable failure, and if the North's leadership really represented the people they would get rid of their moronic Stalinist ideas and open up to the rest of the world.

bossel · 29 Jul 2004

Golgo_13 said:
Why should I? I agree with him

Ah, I see. Typical case of applying double standards, then.

Give an example of that ever happening.

The ICRC does that generally.

Golgo_13 · 3 Aug 2004

Kanadian_Kor,

Recently, while watching Japanese videos, I've heard the phrase "Kankoku Boom" numerous times. "Korea Boom" or roughly means things Korean, e.g. Korean food, TV drama, entertainers, music, are very popular in Japan today.

canadian_kor · 3 Aug 2004

Golgo_13 said:
Kanadian_Kor,

Recently, while watching Japanese videos, I've heard the phrase "Kankoku Boom" numerous times. "Korea Boom" or roughly means things Korean, e.g. Korean food, TV drama, entertainers, music, are very popular in Japan today.

You know, it is funny you say that. I met this Japanese girl through a friend (she came to visit Canada) and the topic of food came up. I asked her if she liked takuwan or kimchi. And to my surprise she said that she preferred kimchi. (The thing is I can't stand kimchi.)

Btw, have you heard of the "Winter Sonata" craze in Japan (especially with that actor)?

Golgo_13 · 3 Aug 2004

Yes, I have heard of it. It's available at the video store I go to.

But I prefer cop shows like "Hagure Keiji" and documentary shows like "Project X".

Golgo_13 · 7 Aug 2004

canadian_kor said:
(The thing is I can't stand kimchi.)

For shame!

But then, I'm not too crazy about it either.

But I really like Bulkogi.

canadian_kor · 7 Aug 2004

Golgo_13 said:
For shame!

But then, I'm not too crazy about it either.

But I really like Bulkogi.

Hey Golgo...PSST...here is a secret, I'd rather eat tempura or sushi any day over bulkogi or kalbi (meaning: I prefer Japanese food over Korean).

stupidumboy · 10 Aug 2004

you should have asked about natto or tarako.

Jopok · 20 Aug 2004

Canadian_Kor, the so-called Canadaian_Korean!

How can we Coreans forgive and forget? Even today Japan still denied the truth that they had forced Corean women to be their sex slaves during WWII. (Regrettable to the Japs, the rest of the world know what happened, and we will always make sure of that. There is a really good documentary produced by PBS which you can order online). These women were treated like animals. For that reason, Coreans still have a protest every Wednesday night in Seoul. And of course, Coreans have a lot of grudges against Japan. Japan was the wicked felon in here. Why would modern Japanese hold a grudge against Coreans? They don't have a just cause!

Sigan nangbida. Nuneun geunyang 窶廬lbonddong窶 ida mukeura. Nado ilbonchingooitda. Gundae, nahantaeneun hankookchingoo wa naeui gajokl nal joahaneungal du joongyoohada.

canadian_kor · 20 Aug 2004

Jopok said:
Canadian_Kor, the so-called Canadaian_Korean!

Uhh...ok. I am registered as a full Canadian citizen and I'm ethnically Korean. So, what's your problem?

How can we Coreans forgive and forget? Even today Japan still denied the truth that they had forced Corean women to be their sex slaves during WWII. (Regrettable to the Japs, the rest of the world know what happened, and we will always make sure of that. There is a real good documentary produced by PBS which you can order online). These women were treated like animals. For that reason, Coreans still have a protest every Wednesday night in Seoul. And of course Coreans have a lot of grudges against Japan. Japan was the wicked felon in here. Why would modern Japanese hold a grudge against Coreans? They don窶冲 have a just cause!

I think you're confused or misunderstanding me. I never said that we should just deny what happened to those comfort women or just write it off as nothing (I believe in justice too). What I am suggesting is that we shouldn't be overly consumed about this to the point where we lose perspective. Yes, the perpetrators should be punished, but don't hold the whole Japanese people (whether in the past or present) as accountable for those horrific crimes.

Sigan nangbida. Nuneun geunyang 窶廬lbonddong窶 ida mukeura. Nado ilbonchingooitda. Gundae, nahantaeneun hankookchingoo wa naeui gajokl nal joahaneungal du joongyoohada.

Good for you. I have friends from various backgrounds. But should I always associate with a Korean just because he is a Korean even if his attitude sucks? I'd rather hang out with a Japanese, Chinese, Indian, black, or white person who knows how to treat others well than a Korean guy who is an unpleasant weasel. I judge others based on individual characteristics, not what gene pool they belong to. I'm sorry you have such a narrow minded view on such matters.

shiroma · 21 Aug 2004

Jopok said:
Most comfort women still did not receive any compensation from the Japanese government and they have to be criticized by people like you when they tell the truth to the world?

They are expected to demand reparations to the South Korean government, as mentioned in this post.

According to the records, Tokyo had proposed providing compensation to South Korean war victims per individual while Seoul counter-proposed it would accept a lump-sum payment, which was later found to be improperly distributed.

Click to expand...

And 142 of them did receive ₩31.5million each from the Korean government, back in May 1998: BBC Report

Those who asking Japan for money probably do not know the contents of the Agreement on the Settlement of Problem Concerning Property and Claims and on Economic Cooperation (583 UNTS 173) which seems to be still classified in ROK.

Govt. Considering Releasing Documents of 1965 Korea-Japan Agreement

The claim that Japan wants South Korea not to release documents makes no sense because the Agreement has been available to the public in Japan since 1965.

Google

saribengou · 28 Aug 2004

canadian_kor said:
As a fellow Korean, I was really embarrassed by Jopok's attitude here. Golgo and Kara, you really have to understand that there a lot of Koreans out there who still live in the anti-Japanese shell. However, people like Jopok are slowly dwindling in numbers. Many Koreans these days do appreciate Japanese culture, food, technology, etc. It's seems that some people out there cannot distinguish between being proud of one's nationality and being against another nationality. Anyways, just shrug your shoulders and let it be.

没想到韩國也有韩奸..... 真是大开眼界..

canadian_kor · 28 Aug 2004

saribengou said:
没想到韩國也有韩奸..... 真是大开眼界..

Why don't you just write in English man?

bossel · 28 Aug 2004

canadian_kor said:
Why don't you just write in English man?

Hmm, I'm not absolutely sure, but I think he called you a traitor. Probably too much of a coward to say it directly.

没想到韩國也有韩奸
mei xiang dao han guo ye you han jian
which roughly translates as: Didn't know that Korea also has traitors.

真是大开眼界
zhen shi da kai yan jie
which I'm not really sure of, either: that really broadens your mind
or: you should broaden your mind
or: something similar
or: something else :?

canadian_kor · 28 Aug 2004

bossel said:
Hmm, I'm not absolutely sure, but I think he called you a traitor. Probably too much of a coward to say it directly.

没想到韩國也有韩奸
mei xiang dao han guo ye you han jian
which roughly translates as: Didn't know that Korea also has traitors.

真是大开眼界
zhen shi da kai yan jie
which I'm not really sure of, either: that really broadens your mind
or: you should broaden your mind
or: something similar
or: something else :?

Thanks. I just had a good laugh (about the "broadening my mind" thing - look who is talking).

ashuri2 · 29 Aug 2004

canadian_kor said:
Thanks. I just had a good laugh (about the "broadening my mind" thing - look who is talking).

maybe the guy was saying that it broadened his mind or something to find out that 'korea also has traitors'?

Tellklaus · 26 Oct 2004

What I think

I'm a native Korean. And I can't entirely agree with the usage of "C". The K-C controversy is another example of (some) Korean's exaggerated delusion of Japanese annexation. Korea was not a member of the IOC (International Olympic Committee) until 1947. It is total nonsense that Japan intended the change because of the 1908 Olympic. Furthermore, Korea was forbidden to participate in international events such as the Olympics after 1905.

Also, after the 1910 annexation, the Japanese changed the official name of Korea from "Hanguk" to "Chosen", which starts with "C". Japanese actually FORBID Koreans using BOTH "Corea" AND "Korea" because the name itself, whether how spelt, implied the "independent chosen". So they forced both Koreans and Westerners to use "Chosen" instead of "Hanguk" or "Korea/Corea".

Early 20th century, everyone could see that Korea was to be occupied by Japan after the victory of the Russo-Japanese War, and Korea didn't have any chance to participate in the international society since 1905. Why should Japan ever try changing "c" to "k".

And another subject.

Young Korean people have an extreme dualism in dealing with "Japan". They love Japanese culture, their fashion, their mangas and many Koreans, both old and young, enjoy travelling to Japan and love their food, such as Sushi(which is called "Chobab" in Korean).

But when it comes to "history", their attitude totally changes. Of course, the past is not easily forgettable. And it is apparent that Imperial Japan was a very harsh ruler, and they had performed many evil things to the Korean public during the annexation. I don't deny Japan's war crimes and their inhumane "policy" to Koreans, Chinese, Manchurians...etc.

But it is not right to pull out these matters impulsively, especially in personal relationships. Before bringing up these issues, you gotta consider others feeling and pride too. You cannot just assert "what-you-believe-is-right" to people from other culture and society. I agree that many Koreans lack this ability and are impolite to the Japanese when it comes to history and other sensitive issues. Of course, not all Koreans overreact to Japanese, but some of them sure do. And shame on them.

stupidumboy · 27 Oct 2004

I have a memory to read a book that described the attitude of Japanese police officers and North Korean soldiers.

South Koreans are taught that Japanese police officers treated Koreans like **** and North Korean soldiers killed every South Korean citizen whenever they entered villages during the colonization and Korean wars.

But this book described the situation totally differently.
The book authors interviewed a few people who experienced the situations.

The Japanese policemen or government dispatched workers are taught not to harm Korean civilians privately; therefore, they usually polite(although they committed much of inhumane violence against Koreans to follow the orders
) but they usually were polite to Korean civilians, and North Korean soldiers during the Korean war were also taught not to kill civilians before they were attacked; therefore, they usually just passed the villages without killing civilians.

These books told that Korean police officers (who worked for the Japanese) and South Korean soldiers unfairly killed or severely bothered innocent civilians during the colonization and Korean wars.

I cannot confirm, but considering that this book was published recently, I think we need to care to learn something different from what we generally recognize.

*I am not pro Japanese imperialism or North Korean invasion against S.Korea.
but we need to learn the fact as it really happened.*

urecco · 7 Nov 2004

Tellklaus said:
Also, after the 1910 annexation, the Japanese changed the official name of Korea from "Hanguk" to "Chosen", which starts with "C". Japanese actually FORBID Koreans using BOTH "Corea" AND "Korea" because the name itself, whether how spelt, implied the "independent chosen". So they forced both Koreans and Westerners to use "Chosen" instead of "Hanguk" or "Korea/Corea".

Before the annexation, the name of Korea was "Great independent Empire"."Chosen" is the name of the district where "Great independent Empire" existed. So Japan did not change the name from "Hanguk", meaning independent nation, to "Chosen." No matter what country is occupying Korean Peninsula, the Japanese call the area "Chosen".And after the annexation, the "Independent Empire" did not exist anymore, so we call the area "Chosen".
If the Republic of Korea annexes DPRK, nobody will call the north part of Korea DPRK whatever DPRK implies. That's the thing.
Japan didn't need to forbid Koreans from using "Hanguk" because "Hanguk" didn't exist, and Korea was a part of Japan. Of course, if people intentionally had used the words "Hanguk" to move towards independence, it would have been a problem for Japan. However, People was quite unlikely to call the Korea Peninsula "Hanguk" without any particular intention.

"Korea" was originated from the name of the ancient nation "Koryo", which the uled Korean Peninsula between 913 to 1392. Koryo implies "High Gloriousness", so Korea should imply the same things. Thus there was no need to forbid people using the word "Korea", and it would have been impossible to force Westerners to use "Chosen".

For some Japanese, the issue of Corea, the territory of Takeshima or Dokdo, the name "Sea of Japan", and the origin of Kendo or Komodo are the same. I think most Koreans bias against Japan.

About Takeshima or Dokdo

Takeshima homepage

About the Sea of Japan

SEA OF JAPAN

About Kendo

Kendo was originated from Korea !?

Information about Kendo, the way of the sword, the art of Japanese Samurai swordsmanship.

web.archive.org

Because of this, I do not like the Korean gov't. But I do not dislike individual Korean, and, in fact, I am living with a Korean guy. The Japanese may not get on well with Koreans as easily as the Japanese because of cultural differences. However, even so-called "right-wing" people do not hate Korean just because they are Korean.

Additionally, the ordinary Japanese do not know these issues. Thus there is no reason discrimination against the Korean genuine.

shiroma · 12 Nov 2004

Tellklaus said:
Furthermore, Korea was forbid to participate any forms of international events such as the Olympics after 1905.

Highly misleading if not simply incorrect. Read this page about the hero Sohn Kee-chung, deceased on Nov. 15th 2002.

bossel · 12 Nov 2004

名無し said:
Highly misleading if not simply incorrect. Read this page about the hero Sohn Kee-chung, deceased on Nov. 15th 2002.

Why misleading? It was not Korea that participated, but Japan. The Koreans had to start in the Japanese team.

From your link:

"Both young men were forced to endure the further insult of adopting Japanese names (his participation is recorded under the Japanese name Son Kitei).
[...] At the medal ceremony, Sohn was forced to endure the humiliation of having his victory celebrated by the raising of the Japanese flag and by the playing of the Japanese national anthem. Both Sohn and Nam registered a silent protest by bowing their heads.
[...] One newspaper, Dong-a-Ilbo, published a wire-service photograph of Sohn on the victory platform - but with one alteration: they painted over the Japanese flag on his sweatshirt. The Japanese colonial government responded by jailing eight people connected with the paper and suspending its publication for nine months."

urecco · 12 Nov 2004

Tellklaus said:
Korea was not a member of IOC (International Olympic Committee) until 1947 and therefore it is a total nonsense that Japan intended the chnge because of the 1908 Olympic. Furthermore, Korea was forbid to participate any forms of international events such as the Olympics after 1905.

Korea as a nation did not exist from 1910 to 1953,right?
so "after 1905" means "from 1905 to 1910."
Actually,at that time,the diplomacy of Korea was under the controll of Japan,yet I am not sure whether Japan forbade Korea to participate any form of international events.
Korea did not participate the 1908 Olympics.However,Japan did not either.
I don't think they could have participated that Olympic games even if Japan hadn't done anything against Korea.

canadian_kor · 12 Nov 2004

Koreans participated in the Olympics during the colonization period, but as JAPANESE nationals.

urecco · 12 Nov 2004

bossel said:
From your link:

"Both young men were forced to endure the further insult of adopting Japanese names (his participation is recorded under the Japanese name Son Kitei).
[...]

bossel, you can understand Mandarin or Cantonese, can't you?
If so, you can easily guess this article bias against Japan.
In the society where Chinese character used, the important thing was not pronunciation but Chinese character.
毛沢東 is pronounced Mao Zedong in Mandarin, Mao Tsetung in Cantonese and Mou Takuto in Japanese. At least, in the past, it was a normal thing to pronounce in their own language. It was not an insult.

Generally speaking, "adopting Japanese names" means to change the name 金 Kim to 金田 Kaneda, not to change the pronounce 金 Kim in Korean to 金 Kin in Japanese.

Apparently, "Hermes" is pronounced in English way in the U.S., not in France way. Is that insult?

stupidumboy · 12 Nov 2004

urecco said:
Korea as a nation did not exist from 1910 to 1953,right?
so "after 1905" means "from 1905 to 1910."
Actually,at that time,the diplomacy of Korea was under the controll of Japan,yet I am not sure whether Japan forbade Korea to participate any form of international events.
Korea did not participate the 1908 Olympics.However,Japan did not either.
I don't think they could have participated that Olympic games even if Japan hadn't done anything against Korea.

To 1953?

Where did you get that year?
Please explain?

anyways, like Urecco said, "Son Kitei" was just simply the Japanese pronunciation version of "孫基禎"-which is pronounced to Sohn ki Jung in Korean."

When Son won the gold medal-the name, Changement law had not started yet.
(by the way, the law was not about forcefully changing the names, but it's about giving many disadvantages against the people that did not accept it. we need to clarify this.)

Son was one of the rest 20% who did not accept the name Changement.

The influence of the name Changement remains in Korea-especially the female names.

How do modern Japanese feel about Koreans?

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