Hi everyone, I'm new here. I love to collect military items. Now, would like to purchase a japanese Yosegaki Hinomaru flag. I found these two flags that seems interesting to me, but I would like to have your opinion about them. What do you think?
Help with Good luck flags
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. Of course, i would like to have your opinion too.
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I can't comment to the authenticity of the flags, but the one on the right, with most of the text radiating out from the central sun is really interesting to me. If authentic, it comes from the Nagoya branch of Nakano Vinegar, the precursor to Mizkan.
Sorry, this is all in Japanese. They don't have the detailed history in English.
Edit: Updated the spelling of Mizkan.
Sorry, this is all in Japanese. They don't have the detailed history in English.
Edit: Updated the spelling of Mizkan.
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I think they are both interesting, and have a high probability of being authentic. Both have names of recipients, and the giver (or representative) is identifiable, meaning there is a specific person or organization that presented the flags. So, these are the kinds of things that add plausibility to a flag, as opposed to a flag that is just covered in random names.
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Thanks you. And in your opinion which Is the most interesting?
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Thank youI can't comment to the authenticity of the flags, but the one on the right, with most of the text radiating out from the central sun is really interesting to me. If authentic, it comes from the Nagoya branch of Nakano Vinegar, the precursor to Mizkan.
Sorry, this is all in Japanese. They don't have the detailed history in English.
Edit: Updated the spelling of Mizkan
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I think maybe the one on the right (same as Mikawa Ossan), for the same reason he mentioned. It's a known company/brand, and one could validate the name (or names) on it presumably by contacting the company and see if they are willing to search through their archives for the names on it. Other possible methods of validating exist. The important thing is that there is a verifiable company name on it, and the name of a person who is presumably associated with that company, so it has some plausible and verifiable connection with reality.
The one on the left... after looking at it a bit more I'm not as convinced as I was when I looked at it earlier. It too has some names on it that could be validated, but I don't like the looks of some of the abbreviations.
Note: I am not a native speaker of Japanese, and so my grasp of the language is less firm than a native speaker's grasp.
The one on the left... after looking at it a bit more I'm not as convinced as I was when I looked at it earlier. It too has some names on it that could be validated, but I don't like the looks of some of the abbreviations.
Note: I am not a native speaker of Japanese, and so my grasp of the language is less firm than a native speaker's grasp.
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Ok, thank you again
. One last question, if i'm not wrong in the part in which Is written the giver, the first part of the phrase Is "Nakano shop". So this Nakano shop is the the precursor of Mizkan, and not a differenti society, right?
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The one on the left might be OK. The red stamp indicates it's from a shrine in Osaka, "Kobore Inari Jinja", which matches with the writing associated with the name on the far left of the flag.
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河堀稲生神社 - Wikipedia
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Oh ok , thanks. But having to choose one Is the second still the most interesting?The one on the left might be OK. The red stamp indicates it's from a shrine in Osaka, "Kobore Inari Jinja", which matches with the writing associated with the name on the far left of the flag.
河堀稲生神社 - Wikipedia
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Thank you. One last question, if i'm not wrong in the part in which Is written the giver, the first part of the phrase Is "Nakano shop". So this Nakano shop is the the precursor of Mizkan, and not a differenti society, right?
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Yes, it is the old (original) name of the Mizkan group. The founder's surname was Nakano, using a particular kanji. The name on your flag uses this same old, peculiar kanji, so, while not 100% certain, it does indeed look like the name of the company on your flag is the old name for the Mizkan group.
As far as I know the name "Nakano Vinegar" is not in use anymore. Everything has been rolled up into the "Mizkan" corporate brand name.
As far as I know the name "Nakano Vinegar" is not in use anymore. Everything has been rolled up into the "Mizkan" corporate brand name.
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Perfect, thank you as always.
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Ok, thank you very much. Is the other slogan (the one written above the donor) the usual "Good luck in battle?". And how does the soldier's name translate?:You know, I would try to do some more research, maybe try to contact the company.
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The 5 characters arranged vertically on the right are 祈武運長久 (Pray for everlasting luck in battle)
The 5 characters arranged vertically on the left are the recipient's name 清水修平君 (SHIMIZU Shuhei-kun)
"kun" is an honorific used for someone you are familiar with. A work colleague, or friend, or younger family member.
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Thanks again
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As for the left flag, there are two location names 北河堀町 Kita-kawahori town and 天王寺町 Tennōj town on it, as Majestic-san mentioned for the first one.
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Tennōji-ku, Osaka - Wikipedia
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Perfect, thank youAs for the left flag, there are two location names 北河堀町 Kita-kawahori town and 天王寺町 Tennōj town on it, as Majestic-san mentioned for the first one.
Tennōji-ku, Osaka - Wikipedia
北河堀町 - Wikipedia
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Hello everyone, sorry again for the disturb. I was wondering if regarding the flag on the left you could help me with the translation of what is written. I see the usual phrase "Good luck in battle" , but otherwise I don't understand much. Additionally, I was wondering if the two locations mentioned are in the same area or completely independent of each other. Thanks in advance everyone.
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Most of these are names, and its often difficult to know how to pronounce the names even if you can read the characters, because each character has multiple possible readings.
Next to the good luck phrase is 為田和義雄君 (For TAWA Yoshio) which is the name of the recipient. And then maybe one of the presenters under that 安部駒雄 ABE Komao, who may be the head of some local community group. The line next to his name contains the name of this group, based in Tennōji-machi, but I can't parse a couple of the characters: 天王寺町囗朕全会長. Then you have more names. Then the head of some local defense group KURABE Sei'ichi. Then more names. Then on the far left you have the head of the neighborhood organization for Kita-Kawahori Minami, 内山薫 UCHIYAMA Kaoru? (not sure about the bits in red).
Next to the good luck phrase is 為田和義雄君 (For TAWA Yoshio) which is the name of the recipient. And then maybe one of the presenters under that 安部駒雄 ABE Komao, who may be the head of some local community group. The line next to his name contains the name of this group, based in Tennōji-machi, but I can't parse a couple of the characters: 天王寺町囗朕全会長. Then you have more names. Then the head of some local defense group KURABE Sei'ichi. Then more names. Then on the far left you have the head of the neighborhood organization for Kita-Kawahori Minami, 内山薫 UCHIYAMA Kaoru? (not sure about the bits in red).
