Grammar

Sultan · 15 Feb 2017

Toritoribe said:
Which do you mean, you think the speaker is doubtful when using ～といいです or you are doubtful whether ～といいです can be used in that situation?

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The problem is the "tentative" part. I'm not sure how to understand it.
Looking up meaning of the word "tentative", it says: "Not certain or fixed; provisional; Done without confidence; hesitant"
I mean, does that mean, that when saying といいんですが, the speaker is not sure whether he really hopes something for himself or what? Does using といいんですが make the speaker sound non-confident about his hopes? Does using といいです to say what the speaker wants make him sound rude or something like that?
I want to know how to say that you hope for something for yourself without making it sound non-confident and without making a negative impression.
(Sorry, it probably was too long)

Toritoribe said:
Yes.

Is it the same for 晴れだと and 晴れであれば?
How do make "if" sentence not "if and only if". For example, "If it's sunny, I'll (am going to) take a walk (but may or may not do so if it's not)".

Toritoribe · 15 Feb 2017

Sultan said:
The problem is the "tentative" part. I'm not sure how to understand it.
Looking up meaning of the word "tentative", it says: "Not certain or fixed; provisional; Done without confidence; hesitant"
I mean, does that mean, that when saying といいんですが, the speaker is not sure whether he really hopes something for himself or what?

You already got the answer.
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I believe it's quite rare that the speaker is not sure what they hope...

Sultan said:
Does using といいんですが make the speaker sound non-confident about his hopes?

It's more likely "unsure" rather than "non-confident", and for sounding "modest", i.e., for avoiding sounding too pushy, as in the explanation in the textbook.

Sultan said:
Does using といいです to say what the speaker wants make him sound rude or something like that?

～といいです without ね is very awkward.

Sultan said:
I want to know how to say that you hope for something for yourself without making it sound non-confident and without making a negative impression.

You must already learn ～たい or ～てほしい.

Sultan said:
How do make "if" sentence not "if and only if". For example, "If it's sunny, I'll (am going to) take a walk (but may or may not do so if it's not)".

"If A, then B" unavoidably connotes "if not A, then not B" also in English or probably many other languages, no? If you may take a walk whether it's sunny or not, you don't need to say "if it's sunny", don't you think so? I would say, for instance, 雨が降ったら、散歩しないこともあります (if it rains, I may not/I don't always take a walk) for your case instead, since this sentence connotes "I usually always take a walk".

Sultan · 15 Feb 2017

Toritoribe said:
You already got the answer.
Grammar | Page 8 | Japan Forum

I believe it's quite rare that the speaker is not sure what they hope...

It's more likely "unsure" rather than "non-confident", and for sounding "modest", i.e., for avoiding sounding too pushy, as in the explanation in the textbook.

～といいです without ね is very awkward.

You must already learn ～たい or ～てほしい.

"If A, then B" unavoidably connotes "if not A, then not B" also in English or probably many other languages, no? If you may take a walk whether it's sunny or not, you don't need to say "if it's sunny", don't you think so? I would say, for instance, 雨が降ったら、散歩しないこともあります (if it rains, I may not/I don't always take a walk) for your case instead, since this sentence connotes "I usually always take a walk".

Yeah, I learned たい and てほしい.
Can I say 大学に行けたいです。 and 大学に行けてほしいです。?
(it's said in the textbook to say 大学に行けるといいんですが。 not 大学に行くといいんですが。, so I used 行けたい and 行けて instead of 行きたい and 行って, probably I'm wrong or maybe both variants are fine with たい and/or てほしい.)
At least as I learned from maths, "if then" and "if and only if" are different things.
For example, "If it's square, then it's a rectangle (, too)" doesn't mean "it's not rectangle if it's not square", as far as I understand.
(I feel so awkward, the thought that I'm being annoying here keeps haunting me, probably trying not be annoying may even be making more annoying, please tell me if you know how to fix it, I'm so dying in embarrassment)

Toritoribe · 16 Feb 2017

Sultan said:
Can I say 大学に行けたいです。 and 大学に行けてほしいです。?
(it's said in the textbook to say 大学に行けるといいんですが。 not 大学に行くといいんですが。, so I used 行けたい and 行けて instead of 行きたい and 行って, probably I'm wrong or maybe both variants are fine with たい and/or てほしい.)

Only non-volitional verbs can be attached to ～といいんですが since you can control your volitional action without hoping it. When a volitional verb is used there, it's interpreted that the subject is not the speaker, thus, 大学に行くといいんですが means "I hope they will go college".
As opposed to ～といいんですが, ～たい can be attached only to volitional verbs. The potential form is non-volitional, therefore 行けたい is ungrammatical.
～てほしい is used for a volitional action of someone else other than the speaker, so 行けてほしい is ungrammatical, either.

Sultan said:
At least as I learned from maths, "if then" and "if and only if" are different things.
For example, "If it's square, then it's a rectangle (, too)" doesn't mean "it's not rectangle if it's not square", as far as I understand.
(I feel so awkward, the thought that I'm being annoying here keeps haunting me, probably trying not be annoying may even be making more annoying, please tell me if you know how to fix it, I'm so dying in embarrassment)

We are not talking about mathematics. 逆(converse) or 裏(inverse) have quite different definitions from the usual meaning of the terms.
Use other expressions. You don't need to stick to an expression. If it's necessary to convey your nuance correctly, you can use 晴れたら必ず散歩しますが、曇りや雨の日でも散歩することもあります "I always take a walk when it's sunny, but I also sometimes do that even when it's cloudy or rainy" instead of just 晴れだったら散歩します.

Sultan · 20 Feb 2017

Toritoribe said:
Only non-volitional verbs can be attached to ～といいんですが since you can control your volitional action without hoping it. When a volitional verb is used there, it's interpreted that the subject is not the speaker, thus, 大学に行くといいんですが means "I hope they will go college".
As opposed to ～といいんですが, ～たい can be attached only to volitional verbs. The potential form is non-volitional, therefore 行けたい is ungrammatical.
～てほしい is used for a volitional action of someone else other than the speaker, so 行けてほしい is ungrammatical, either.

We are not talking about mathematics. 逆(converse) or 裏(inverse) have quite different definitions from the usual meaning of the terms.
Use other expressions. You don't need to stick to an expression. If it's necessary to convey your nuance correctly, you can use 晴れたら必ず散歩しますが、曇りや雨の日でも散歩することもあります "I always take a walk when it's sunny, but I also sometimes do that even when it's cloudy or rainy" instead of just 晴れだったら散歩します.

わかりました。いつもありがとうございます。
Well, I guess I got the main part (身?) but by volitional verbs did you mean ones one need just to want to do in order to do?
And is "逆(converse) or 裏(inverse) have quite different definitions from the usual meaning of the terms." just an example as a thing that has different meaning like conditional have in maths?

Toritoribe · 21 Feb 2017

Sultan said:
Well, I guess I got the main part (身?) but by volitional verbs did you mean ones one need just to want to do in order to do?

Volition (linguistics) - Wikipedia

Sultan said:
And is "逆(converse) or 裏(inverse) have quite different definitions from the usual meaning of the terms." just an example as a thing that has different meaning like conditional have in maths?

Yes.

Sultan · 21 Feb 2017

Toritoribe said:
Volition (linguistics) - Wikipedia

Yes.

Ok, thanks

Sultan · 6 Mar 2017

Good evening.
私は仕事（）つかれました……。で／に
Why can there be に and does the sentence have the same meaning with both particles?

Sultan · 6 Mar 2017

わたしのしゅみはしゃしんを（）です。 A.とるの B.とること C.とります D.とったこと◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆B
Cannot it be A, too?

Mike Cash · 6 Mar 2017

Sultan said:
わたしのしゅみはしゃしんを（）です。 A.とるの B.とること C.とります D.とったこと◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆B
Cannot it be A, too?

If it were A, I would expect a particle after it. I don't think it can be A in that sentence.

Sultan · 6 Mar 2017

Mike Cash said:
If it were A, I would expect a particle after it. I don't think it can be A in that sentence.

Isn't の the necessary particle? What else is needed?

Toritoribe · 6 Mar 2017

Sultan said:
Good evening.
私は仕事（）つかれました……。で／に
Why can there be に and does the sentence have the same meaning with both particles?

に indicates the target you got tired from, and で is for the reason you got tired. "I got tired from working hard" and "I got tired because of working hard" are similar in meaning as a result, right?

Sultan said:
わたしのしゅみはしゃしんを（）です。 A.とるの B.とること C.とります D.とったこと◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆◇◆B
Cannot it be A, too?

As Mike-san suggested, there is no problem both with 写真を撮ることが私の趣味です and 写真を撮るのが私の趣味です, but the nominalizer の can't be attached directly to copula. ～のだ/です is used only for explanation or the speaker's strong assertion. That's why "B" is the only correct answer.

Sultan · 6 Mar 2017

Toritoribe said:
に indicates the target you got tired from, and で is for the reason you got tired. "I got tired from working hard" and "I got tired because of working hard" are similar in meaning as a result, right?

Indeed.

Toritoribe said:
As Mike-san suggested, there is no problem both with 写真を撮ることが私の趣味です and 写真を撮るのが私の趣味です, but the nominalizer の can't be attached directly to copula. ～のだ/です is used only for explanation or the speaker's strong assertion. That's why "B" is the only correct answer.

I see.

Sultan · 10 Mar 2017

How do I read 方 and what's translation and meaning of it here?
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Mike Cash · 10 Mar 2017

ほう

One (of multiple choices/options).

Sultan · 10 Mar 2017

Mike Cash said:
ほう

One (of multiple choices/options).

So, the whole sentence translates as "Add ◯ to the right one"?

Mike Cash · 10 Mar 2017

Sultan said:
So, the whole sentence translates as "Add ◯ to the right one"?

Circle the appropriate one.

Yep.

Sultan · 10 Mar 2017

Mike Cash said:
Circle the appropriate one.

Yep.

I thought it meant to draw circle next to the appropriate one, can it mean so, too?

Mike Cash · 10 Mar 2017

Sultan said:
I thought it meant to draw circle next to the appropriate one, can it mean so, too?

Technically, grammatically....yeah, probably. But nobody would ever interpret it that way.

Sultan · 10 Mar 2017

Mike Cash said:
Technically, grammatically....yeah, probably. But nobody would ever interpret it that way.

Understood, thanks

Mike Cash · 10 Mar 2017

Sultan said:
Understood, thanks

I suppose they could use ◯で囲みなさい, but there's no need for that kind of hyper-precision.

Sultan · 10 Mar 2017

Mike Cash said:
I suppose they could use ◯で囲みなさい, but there's no need for that kind of hyper-precision.

「適当な方を◯で囲みなさい。」?

Sultan · 10 Mar 2017

Please check
An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese - Workbook.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

Mike Cash · 10 Mar 2017

Sultan said:
Please check
An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese - Workbook.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader DC

Looks good to me.

Sultan · 11 Mar 2017

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I can't understand what kind of exclusiveness does it talk about. Doesn't だけ is used to describe exclusiveness already?

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