FDR plans sneak attack before Pearl Harbor
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The7thSamurai
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Why would this be a surprise? The US, and every army in the world for that matter, has and always have had strategies to invade every country in the world. The cowardice (窶ｰﾂｰ窶｢a) Japanese, however, went ahead with their plan.
Dogen Z
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Which is why Putin is wise to be wary of the US European missile defense initiative.
SailorJim
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I'm afraid you are misinformed caster51. Since 1979, when Saddam Insane was in power. He killed NO LESS than 1,500,000 of his own people through torture, execution and chemical weapons. Even the most anti-war website counts civilian deaths at 73,210. Check your facts before you speak. You must do some research for yourself and not rely on one source. I have had Japanese people accuse America of being racist because we used the bomb on Japan but not Germany. This is a common problem in Japan.
Also, I would suggest you research what lead up to 9/11 a little more before you make more ignorant accusations. Kobar towers, USS Cole, The embassies in Nairobi and Tanzania, the first Twin Tower bombings.....
Also, I would suggest you research what lead up to 9/11 a little more before you make more ignorant accusations. Kobar towers, USS Cole, The embassies in Nairobi and Tanzania, the first Twin Tower bombings.....
KirinMan
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This has got to be one of the most ______________ threads that I think I have ever seen on this board.
What's the point here? Anti~Americanism? Anti-war in Iraq, Sadam Hussein and his extermination of his own people? FDR's "sneak" attack plans on Japan?
What?
So what if FDR's administration had plans, let's not forget who attacked first, thus making this all a moot point anyway.
What's the point here? Anti~Americanism? Anti-war in Iraq, Sadam Hussein and his extermination of his own people? FDR's "sneak" attack plans on Japan?
What?
So what if FDR's administration had plans, let's not forget who attacked first, thus making this all a moot point anyway.
frostyg02uk
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he has a small point sailor jim the civilian death rate since invasion of iraq was 500,000 a few months ago and that doesnt count the first gulf war. Other then that im not too interested in another my dad can drink more then your dad arguement.
The7thSamurai
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caster51 seems like a bit of a nutcase. I bet he thinks the moon landings were staged too.
In short, I'm sure America had "plans" to attack Japan back before Pearl Harbour, in the same way that the army of every country in the world has "plans" to attack every other country. I bet today Japan has "plans" to attack even Canada. It pure military strategy. Actually executing those plans are something different though, and something that America would never have seriously considered. Just like how Japan would never seriously consider executing their "plans" to invade Canada or Nigeria or Ireland or wherever.
In short, I'm sure America had "plans" to attack Japan back before Pearl Harbour, in the same way that the army of every country in the world has "plans" to attack every other country. I bet today Japan has "plans" to attack even Canada. It pure military strategy. Actually executing those plans are something different though, and something that America would never have seriously considered. Just like how Japan would never seriously consider executing their "plans" to invade Canada or Nigeria or Ireland or wherever.
Sukotto
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I'd actually like to know your sources for this.
Nothing personal. It's just that numbers are often thrown up on the internet and of course it is common knowledge that Saddam Hussein was a monster so sometimes these numbers are not questioned.
Did you get them from Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch, probably the two most mainstream human rights organizations?
I'm not worried if your numbers are off by 1,000 (for 1.5 million).
Just that 1.5 million is a big difference from 73,210.
I of doubt that every army or even most have plans to attack every or even any other country. Does East Timor have any plans to invade Australia or Indonesia now or back in 1975?
WW2 was basically a matter of empires bumping up against one another and such a war was bound to happen sooner or later. It's what happens when you try to maintain such dishonorable things as empire.
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Caster51, why did you start this thread?
Shouldn't President Roosevelt haven't been worried about what happened in China as from 1937?
There was already a war going on in Asia, long before Pearl Harbour.
Shouldn't President Roosevelt haven't been worried about what happened in China as from 1937?
There was already a war going on in Asia, long before Pearl Harbour.
JimmySeal
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Caster51 likes to take potshots at America without usually making any solid argument.
Japan had been doing atrocious things in Asia for decades and there was no end in sight. Germany has never attacked the US, yet we bombed the crap outta them around the same time and nobody seems to be complaining about that.
Japan had been doing atrocious things in Asia for decades and there was no end in sight. Germany has never attacked the US, yet we bombed the crap outta them around the same time and nobody seems to be complaining about that.
Sukotto
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One could argue that Germany did declare war on the US and vice versa before Germany was bombed.
But there is the matter of the bombing of Dresden which even some US pilots and crews (here is an essay written by historian Howard Zinn who was 2nd Lieut. bombardier over Germany) that participated in bombing Germany in general think should not have happened.
KirinMan
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US meaning Japan or the United States of America?
The Tigers were a volunteer group that fought for the freedom of China against Japanese agression. Plain and simple.
Caster please get over it, Japan started the war in the Pacific, the USA ended it, that like it or not is a FACT.
KirinMan
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Cripes Caster how old do you think I am? BTW you werent around either so what difference does it make?
American's volunteered to fight both in Britian and China, before the actual declaration of war against Japan and Germany.
What the heck is your point?.....again?
Oh btw the "Official" name was the American Volunteer Group, read this and you might understand somethings better.
The Flying Tigers
Who cares? It was to fight against JAPANESE agression, that's all that counted back then.
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American's volunteered to fight both in Britian and China, before the actual declaration of war against Japan and Germany.
Volunteered?
I dont think so.
it was pretended, right?
Who cares? It was to fight against JAPANESE agression, that's all that counted back then.
so it was a preemptive attack, right
Volunteered?
I dont think so.
it was pretended, right?
it was easy to name that US liked
Who cares? It was to fight against JAPANESE agression, that's all that counted back then.
so it was a preemptive attack, right
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I think the English that you're looking for is,
"It was a pretense, don't you think?"
KirinMan
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Now you lost it....yeah they volunteered, before the actual declaration of war.
Caster, now if you even attempt to say anything otherwise you have lost 100% of any credibility you had with me and I will be putting you on my ignore list from now on.
That is a fact as well, make your choice.
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I haven't been really been following this thread very much, but I think that Caster'S point is that if the U.S. government gave material and moral support to those volunteer efforts, then the U.S.'s official stance of neutrality at the time was what one would call "tatemae" in Japanese, but the "honne" was active hostility towards Japan.
In other words, America's moral high ground is due only to a technicallity.
In other words, America's moral high ground is due only to a technicallity.
KirinMan
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Be that as it may, and I thank you for stepping in here and trying to keep things on an even keel, I still am under the impression that Caster is unwilling to accept the fact that American's under the threat of losing their citizenship, volunteered to fight against the Japanese and Germans prior to the "official" declaration of war against all three Axis countries.
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