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miyuki

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• 10 Aug 2002

• #26

kanji

While 6 years, elementary school students learn 1006 kanji.


Jyoyo Kanji(1945)
Kanjibukuro

Moji bake shimasenka ...? I wonder..

I think kanji makes me easier to read newspapers or books faster.
Because kanji has meaning.
When I can't read kanji sound rightly,I can understand the meanings.

Once every newspaper used to add 'yomigana' to every kanji.

It is nice idea, isn't it?
After WW2, such rules had gone.
Because (some says) it took them a lot of troubles.

 

samuraitora

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• 12 Aug 2002

• #27

@ miyukisan
thank you for the lists...

 

Last edited: 6 Nov 2002

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miyuki

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• 13 Aug 2002

• #28

Have you seen kanji lists?
too many...

 

samuraitora

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• #29

@miyuki
I am putting together a Japan/Japanese site...with the site I have taken the kanji lists and broken them down into 2 lists.

First list breaks down by grade(1st, 2nd, 3rd...) what is a verb, noun, adjective, so on and so forth. I was thinking about breaking down the nouns into different categories like person, animal, place, and other categories like that.

Second list breaks down by proficiency test(4th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st) in the same type.

This should make it easier of newbies to learn...it has helped me.

 

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miyuki

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• 14 Aug 2002

• #30

@samuraitori-san,
These lists help you?

Members here love to study,I think.
I am very glad if I could help you.
my pleasure desu.

 

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miyuki

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• 14 Aug 2002

• #31

Our school board says in 'Gakusyu shido yoryo';
1st grade(13 years old)...to write and use 900 of 1006 kanji
to read 1006 kanji
to read 250-300 of Jyoyo kanji
2nd grade(14 years old)...to write and use 950 of 1006 kanji
(250-300 plus)
to read 300-350 of Jyoyo kanji
3rd grade'15 years old)...to write and use 1006 kanji
to read all of Jyoyo kanji

 

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miyuki

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• 14 Aug 2002

• #32

It may be an indication.

 

samuraitora

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• #33

wow

 

deborah gormley

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19 Apr 2002

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• #34

@ Miyuki
your school board seems quite tough!! But if that's the way it's done, then so be it!! I don't know any kanji yet. It frightens me so much I can't describe it, but maybe if I was brought up in an environment that needed kanji, things might be sooo different!!!
I find kanji fascinating with its meaning and terms of interpretation, and that's the frightening bit, lol.

 

moyashi

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• 14 Aug 2002

• #35

hey debs, but why you read kanji every day

mis-understand-ing .... overly simplified but still. Each part of the word is like a group of strokes in a kanji.

Many kanji like for mountain are even like pictures UU sort of looking thing.

山 = mountain ... well it looks like one.
日 = day or sun ... well a box with a line in the middle that represents all the lines that we like to draw around suns.
口 = a square like box which is a mouth
手 = if you look long enough you'll see that the 3 lines are fingers, with the vertical line a brush. so this is a character for hand

It's not so difficult. I learned how to write so I'm sure anybody can!

 

samuraitora

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wow moyashisensei...don't give yourself too much credit...lol

 

moyashi

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miyuki

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• 15 Aug 2002

• #38

deborah-san,

Japanese students also make strenuous efforts to memorize kanji.
As for me, when I was a student, so did I.
(...because we had exams. hehe)

But now I write all my documents with my computer.
It makes hiragana to kanji automatically.
So when I write kanji on occation, I notice I forget some
of them.

 

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miyuki

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• 15 Aug 2002

• #39

onegai
(when my english is bad or wrong, please tell me.)

 

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miyuki

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• 15 Aug 2002

• #40

On the other hand....without kanji

I can read books or newspapers exactly and fast because of kanji.
We have many "do on igi go"(words which have the same sounds and different meanings).
For example, "stone" and "will or notion" have the same
sound..."ishi" in Japanese.
I can't tell "stone" from "will" if you write it with hiragana.

 

samuraitora

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• 15 Aug 2002

• #41

@miyukisan
eigo ga ii desu yo. ( I hope I said that right)
Your english is very good.

I am envious wishing my japanese were half as good as your english.

 

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miyuki

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• 15 Aug 2002

• #42

arigatougozaimasu

samuraitori-san,

arigatougozaimasu.
From now on,if you find anything about my English,
please tell me.
My English is 'school one'
and depends on my dictionaries.

Samuraitori-san,you divided these kanji into some categories...
sugoi desu ne.

 

samuraitora

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@miyuki
'sogoi' wa nihongo de nan desu ka.
what is 'sogou' in japanese.

hopefully I said that right

 

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miyuki

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• 16 Aug 2002

• #44

We say "sugoi" when we are wondering or admiring
or amazing something or someone.
For example, when I see the Niagara falls,
I cry,'Sugoi!' (amazing! nice!...I feel.)

When my friend finish very difficult works,
I say to him 'Sugoi ne!' (I admire him.)

When I go outside and find UFO (like 'Independence day')
I may cry,'Sugoi! nani? are? '(nani? are =what is that?)
etc...
We often use 'sugoi'

 

moyashi

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• 16 Aug 2002

• #45

You still can tell from context though.

ie .... gomi wo nageru.

 

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miyuki

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• 16 Aug 2002

• #46

gomi wo nageru....?
gomen nasai...
imi ga yoku wakarimasen.

I think I was asked what 'sugoi' meant in Japanese by samuraitori-san.
I misunderstood his question????
I don't know....if so,sorry.
'sugoi' is an adjective(dictionary says)
but we use it like an interjection.

When one passes exam,we admire him 'sugoi!'
"Great!""You did it"
or we use it as "surprise""what a surprise"..etc..
Jisyo no imi to chigaimasu.

I'd like to explain that.
But my examples are not good or I misunderstood his question??
I wonder...........
Sorry.

 

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miyuki

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• 16 Aug 2002

• #47

Of course I admire samuraitori-san's work.

My exaples didn't seem so............
really sorry.

 

moyashi

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• #48

nooooo, nothing to be sorry about Miyuki!

え？僕のcommentが違うthreadに書いたはず。。。。

gomi wo nageru.
gomi = garbage/rubish
nageru = throw.

Maybe Nahoko would understand. She's from the Tohoko area.


This phrase is often used in Sapporo and Hokkaido! So it's a dialect phrase.

I wrote in reply to thread that was mentioning hiragana and kanji and how it's difficult to read hiragan while Kanji makes comprehension easier and quicker ... hmmmm.

I wrote this last night while watching WOWOW's (satelite TV) Part 4 of their late night ghost series ...... ewwwwwwww

norowareta ??? was I cursed? ??????

 

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miyuki

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• 16 Aug 2002

• #49

I see,moyashi-san.

 

samuraitora

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• 16 Aug 2002

• #50

arigato gozaimasu miyukisan. kono wa yuuyou desu.
Thank you very much Miyuki. That was helpful.

Sorry if I use wrong nihongo words. Still learning.