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diplomacy of Meiji

Sadly for China & Chinese people that he died " too early ",otherwise he could've fixed more of that country's social problems & handled international diplomacy much effectively.

He was the person had support of Han-Chinese grassroot movements and could rally Chinese minority groups like ethnic Zhuang to participate in military against foreign aggressions.
 

Huh ... I have different perspective.

For Japan,the political & social transformation was from " top down ".For example,Yukichi Fukuzawa & Hirobumi Ito both studied abroad,they returned to Japan with " learned knowledge " and applied those concepts effectively.

Fukuzawa

* founded Keio University
* pushed drastic political changes

Ito

* significant contribution to implementation of parliamentary political system modeled on British.

Unlike China,it was " bottom up ".Grass root movements of discontented populace toppled Qing Dynasty then came nearly 1 century of upheavals.

The conclusion is,competency of ruling elites do matter.
 
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Tokapi, you get 50 points for:


... and for knowing Fukuzawa. That guy was awesome. He was a Japanese Benjamin Franklin. If you read both of their autobiographies, you'll find certain aspects of their personalities were similar.

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The excuse of Britain is very interesting.
Everyone understands the diamond and Gold were the aims in Britain.
Not really. More complicated than that. Diamonds and gold were resources, but what was really key was tea and opium. Queen Victoria was the biggest drugdealer in human history (eat your heart out, Pablo Escobar). It wasn't just resources they wanted, but also safe coaling stations and other strategic locations that would keep the trade-lanes safe.
 
Indentured servant
Indentured servitude - Wikipedia

Maria Luz incident
http://www.princeton.edu/~collcutt/doc/Botsman_English.pdf (pdf)

Law of slave trade's prohibition was proclaimed in 1872 as a result of this incident...
I think it may have a relatation with comfort women.

then
Japan and the Race Question at the Paris Peace Conference: A Japanese View in 1919
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History of the Ryukyu Islands - Wikipedia

1879 Japan replaces the Ryūkyū han with Okinawa Prefecture, formally annexing the islands. King Shō Tai (尚泰) is given the title of marquis (藩王 Han'ō) and removed to Tokyo.

showmyn's room
according to Rukyuu observation by 喜舎場朝賢 who was brains-truster of Ryuukyu king(尚泰) said "The Ryukyu disposal was a kind of emancipation of slaves."

BTW
5 Heros in Miyako Island
http://www.okinawatimes.co.jp/eng/ryukyu/ryu1_5_3.html
I think sense of impending crisis of Japan was already permeated in such island at that time
 
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How about provide some reliable reading materials ( Japanese language ok ) on stay-with-Asia 興亞論 & leaving-Asia 脱亜論 political debates in Japan during Meiji era.

明治時代に,日本は脱亜入欧の政策からアジアの中で孤立してしまった。
 
Hi tokapi, GodEmperorLeto. off-topic again

I have a interesting Qize.


Question
The Japanese at that time is drawn.
The Japanese changed epochally at the Meiji era.
What changed do you think?

it is not hair style.....
It is more epoch thing.
 
Can you write it in Japanese so I can have better grasp of the question.
 
窶堋ア窶堙固?G窶堙債江ナ津暁スナセ窶佚」窶堙個行窶氾ア窶堙固?G窶堙??堋キ
窶督セナスツ。窶堙俄?堙遺?堙ィ窶ーテヲナ?テコ窶廬窶堙俄?「テ鞘?堙ュ窶堙≫?堋ス窶堋ア窶堙??堋ェ窶堋?窶堙ィ窶堙懌?堋キツ。

窶堋サ窶堙ェ窶堙坂?督セナスツ。窶堙娯?ケテ溪?佚」ナ坦ナス窶毒単窶氾サ窶堙懌?堋ス窶佚戸?ァ窶堙娯?ー^窶慊ョ窶堙遺?堙??堙??「テ鞘?ーツサ窶堋オ窶堙懌?堋オ窶堋スツ。

窶堋ウ窶堙?、窶ーツス窶堋ェ窶「テ鞘?堙ュ窶堙≫?堋ス窶堙??堋オ窶堙・窶堋、窶堋ゥツ?

窶堙?窶堋ソ窶堙ォ窶堙ア窶「ナセ窶倪?「ツ、窶堋ソ窶堙・窶堙ア窶堙懌?堋ー窶堙??堙坂?堋?窶堙ィ窶堙懌?堋ケ窶堙ア
 
Thanks .. caster51

When was horse-drawn stagecoach introduced to Japan,not Meiji era ? I was thinking of more comfortable & better means of transportation instead of uniform.
 
Li-Lobanov Treaty
Li–Lobanov Treaty - Wikipedia

Li Hongzhang
Li Hongzhang - Wikipedia
he was given lots of money as the bribe from Russia.
Anglo-Japanese Alliance
Anglo-Japanese Alliance - Wikipedia
Splendid isolation
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Russo-japan war
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after that, Japan canceled an unequal agreement finaly.

the relation between Russia, Britain and Japan has recovered rapidly.
Anglo-Russian Convention - Wikipedia
Britain made Germany a hypothetical enemy instead of Russia.
Triple Entente - Wikipedia

Treaty of Portsmouth
Treaty of Portsmouth - Wikipedia

USA:
the United States planed to obtain profiting while others fight
by this agreement at that time.
The United States has been shut out from rights and interests in china by
Japan-Britain-Russia contrary to the speculation.
The United States intended China advancement with "Equality of opportunity" of propaganda.
however it failed.
if you read the article of NY times in 15th Aug 1945 ,you will understand it
The American feelings to Japan turn worse hereby
The United States demanded the disarmament and the cancellation of Japanese-English alliance.
It was a first step of World War II with the rise of Yellow Peril.

War Plan Orange
War Plan Red
War Plan Red - Wikipedia

William II, German Emperor
Wilhelm II, German Emperor - Wikipedia
he said after Russo-Japana war" It is asia united by Japan as a leader that we fears most though Japan oneself is not fear"

The center, a Japanese man 乃木希典 (Maresuke Nogi) and Russian man Anatolii Mikhailovich Stessel in Ryojun (China), The Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905


203高地 - Wikipedia
There was some break time in the fight of 203.
Killed in action was jointly mutually buried.
each soldiers drunk together






Nogi maresuke
Nogi Maresuke - Wikipedia

Tōgō Heihachirō
Tōgō Heihachirō - Wikipedia

Jacob Schiff
Jacob Schiff - Wikipedia


Akashi Motojiro(A Spy during the Russo-Japanese War)
Akashi Motojiro - Wikipedia
he was a general in the Imperial Japanese Army and the 7th Governor-General of Taiwan from 6 June 1918 to 26 October 1919.

Vladimir Lenin said " he was a real person who didemancipation of Russian from Russian Empire"
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after Meiji, the age of Taisho democracy called started.......though the age of fear was kept in the world
It is not what was gotten from the United States......
 
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The answer is how to walk. it is called Nanba or namba.
it is a basis of old japanese martial arts.
ナンバ走り - Wikipedia
Aikido Journal

What you mean to say is that the way Japanese walked prior to the Meiji era was different from the manner you walked after? After watching the youtube video, it definitely looks like how we were taught to step during karate. I'm under the impression, though, that only 窶堙披?堋ッ would walk like that.

The Treaty of Portsmouth was an enormous political watershed for the United States. Theodore Roosevelt wanted the United States to join world affairs as a "Great Power", and by mediating the agreement between Japan and Russia, he helped cement our status as an up-and-coming nation.

The Russo-Japanese War was won by Japan partially through the ineptitude of Russian military commanders at key battles in Liaodong, such as the siege of Port Arthur. The Japanese made few mistakes, and took full advantage of those the Russians made. Russian junior commanders were actually very good, but the upper-echelon generals and admirals weren't worth the metal pinned to their chests.

I did a lot of research into the Russo-Japanese War when I was reading ツ春窶堙個静。 by ナスO窶懌?。 窶燃窶ケI窶「v (in English, of course), as it plays a heavy role in the background of the story.

Off topic--caster, if you are even remotely interested in U.S. history (as you seem to be interested in history period), HBO is running a miniseries on John Adams, one of our Founding Fathers. I don't know if it is being aired in Japan, though. I have friends in Taiwan who get HBO, though.
 
I'm under the impression, though, that only ぶけ would walk like that.

most ppl walked like this, according to old ukiyoes..


they say Hikyaku(mail man) could run in 3~4 days from edo to Osaka



thanks
 
Another popular slogan during 明治維新 was 福澤諭吉の"和魂洋才 = Yamato spirit Western know-how ".

* [ 優れた西洋文化と遅れた日本文化 = Western culture's superiority & Japanese culture's backwardness ] という構図に反発する意味もあった。

和魂洋才 - Wikipedia
 
「興亜論」(Kouaron)
kaishu katsu announced 日清提携論( sino-japan alliance doctrine, japan-china- korea together and make the east asia union to resist Russian)
Katsu Kaishū - Wikipedia
it was called kouaron.
Tarui considerd before china-Japan alliance, japan must do amalgamation with korea equally...大東合邦論』(1885年)
樽井藤吉 - Wikipedia
yokichi Fukuzawa said " it is impossible
after sino-japan war, kouaron興亜論 lost that value.....
however ideology of kouaron was still existing as mainstream in japan at that time..

This koaron had a big influence on Korea.
李容九(一進会)was a believer of 「興亜論」
he hoped amalgamation with japan equally.
Iljinhoe - Wikipedia

a coutry that won against Russia(japan) and korea(lowest in asia) are going to an amalgamation eqauly.

they were so serious and demanded to japan

Ito was angry "Why should Japan amalgamate equally with Korea?"
so Japan suppressed 一進会 Through korean PM 李完用。
the obstacle that korean wanted was Ito ........though Ito seriously thought about Korea.


my thought....
However, a present Asian ideologist doesn't want to admit failing.
that is why they blam Fukuzawa's 脱亜論
South Korea is still parasitic to Japan by the use of an Asian principle.
Scenery doesn't change at all for 100 years.
 

Ahem,didn't Japan obtained favorable financings from Britain to built the Japanese Navy during this era.:?

Then,Japan whipped those snubbish Brits ...

Sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse - Wikipedia
 

Ahem,伊藤博文 was no proponent of " mutual ancestry 日鮮同祖論 " theory
 
It was not so difficult for concepts and ultra-fine field in the West to translate into Japanese beause of katakana and hiragana.


This is basis of your post,right ?


Sarah Cox, Washington University in St. Louis/Kokugakuin University. " Theories of Translation in Meiji Japan "

"Western Europe owes its civilization to translators." Though perhaps overstated, this assertion in L.G. Kelly's 1979 outline of translation theory, The True Interpreter, points to growing recognition in literary studies of the importance of literary cross-fertilization, the transfer of both content and form from one linguistic and cultural tradition to another, in the continuing vitality of national literatures. The power of translations has long been recognized in Meiji Japanese literary studies, with modern literary critics claiming " Meiji literature is the history of translations and their influence," or " The significance of the Meiji era rests more fully in translation ' (hon'yaku) and adaptation' (hon'an) than in original works' (sosaku). " The numerous translations created in Meiji Japan transformed and revitalized Japanese literature.

This paper examines theories of literary translation and adaptation in Meiji Japan, tracing a growing recognition of the significance of such endeavors. It examines, for example, Tsubouchi Shoyo's ideal of assimilation and appropriation of Western works through adaptations; Wakamatsu Shizuko's concept of translation as a means to import Western ideals of Christianity, particularly concerning the status of women and children; and Mori Ogai's desire to preserve "otherness" in translation. Yet within theories of translation as varied as these runs a unifying thread: namely, that translation is the resurrection of an alien thing in a native body in order not only to revitalize native literature but also to lead readers to a larger world outside of the boundaries of their own geographic or linguistic limitations. Meiji translators perceived themselves variously as not just borrowers and adapters but as creators of a new literature and a new literary consciousness, and as educators about a wider world, not only enriching the literary landscape but also their readers' experience
 
I found a book " Japan and korea" in English by Frank G. Carpenter.
about his travel story that was published 1902...
it is really interesting............
http://kindai.ndl.go.jp/scrpt/jgmWeb.dll?DispUrl?jp=41021479&vol=00000&koma=1&tp=0
日本と朝鮮 - 国立国会図書館デジタルコレクション
you need JuGeMuPlayer ver4.5 to see it
http://kindai.ndl.go.jp/index.html
National Diet Library

Times Past in Korea in 1923? by Frank G. Carpenter
Times Past in Korea

Japan and korea
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Great thread Caster, I learned a lot here. I wish you would post more if you have anything else.
 
Your article is really GREAT!!! Can you further talk about the relationship between the rise of Militarism and the Parties Politics in the 20s?
 
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