Conditional Potential + ば, ru-verbs

[Albatrosspro]

I'm going through Tae Kim's guide on conditionals (Conditionals | Learn Japanese About halfway down, he gives examples for using ば with potential u-verbs, such as: 友達に会えれば、買い物に行きます。I noticed that he didn't give any examples for non-negative ru-verbs. In sentences like that, do you follow the same rule and allow a double れ? So, something like: 食べられれば? (If able to eat...)

 

[Toritoribe]

Yes.
e.g.
居る --> 居られる --> 居られれ --> 居られれば
変える --> 変えられる --> 変えられれ --> 変えられれば
確かめる --> 確かめられる --> 確かめられれ --> 確かめられれば
出る --> 出られる --> 出られれ --> 出られれば
寝る --> 寝られる --> 寝られれ --> 寝られれば

It's the same also for the passive form of u-verbs/godan verbs/consonant-stem verbs or ru-verbs/ichidan verbs/vowel-stem verbs that end with れる.
会う --> 会われる --> 会われれ --> 会われれば
歩く --> 歩かれる --> 歩かれれ --> 歩かれれば
話す --> 話される --> 話されれ --> 話されれば
立つ --> 立たれる --> 立たれれ --> 立たれれば
飲む --> 飲まれる --> 飲まれれ --> 飲まれれば

入れる --> 入れれ --> 入れれば
枯れる --> 枯れれ --> 枯れれば
慣れる --> 慣れれ --> 慣れれば
晴れる --> 晴れれ --> 晴れれば
触れる --> 触れれ --> 触れれば

 

[Mike Cash]

Or in the immortal words of Matsutoya Yumi:

登り 登る 登れれば

 

[letslearn]

Or in the immortal words of Matsutoya Yumi:

登り 登る 登れれば

Is that equivalent to if you can climb, climb?

 

[Mike Cash]

Is that equivalent to if you can climb, climb?

Not quite.

 

[letslearn]

Not quite.

Is it more like.
Climb,if your able to climb?

 

[Mike Cash]

Is it more like.
Climb,if your able to climb?

Where do you get the "you"?

 

[letslearn]

Where do you get the "you"?

Just supposition. It sounds like a proverb.
登り is a noun. ascending, climb etc. Maybe ascent?
To Ascend if able？
Not sure just interested

 

[Mike Cash]

Just supposition. It sounds like a proverb.
登り is a noun. ascending, climb etc. Maybe ascent?
To Ascend if able？
Not sure just interested

I find now I used the wrong kanji....

It's from a song

You can hear a sample here. Track is "Man in the Moon".

 

[Albatrosspro]

Ok so, what's it mean lol

 

[Mike Cash]

Ok so, what's it mean lol

Based on your question, I would think you have learned enough Japanese grammar to understand it; it isn't complicated.

昇り(を)昇る…昇れれば

 

[Mike Cash]

Is it more like.
Climb,if your able to climb?

Come to think of it...where do you get the imperative "climb"?

 

[Toritoribe]

I take an interpretation that that's the continuous usage of the -masu stem, not the nounal usage, as in other lines まわりまわる, めぐりめぐる or かないかなう.

 

[Mike Cash]

I take an interpretation that that's the continuous usage of the -masu stem, not the nounal usage, as in other lines まわりまわる, めぐりめぐる or かないかなう.

I'll accept that and with gratitude. I have just always loved the sound play there.

 

[Albatrosspro]

Based on your question, I would think you have learned enough Japanese grammar to understand it; it isn't complicated.

昇り(を)昇る…昇れれば

Wow. That's really rude.

 

[Mike Cash]

Wow. That's really rude.

Not really. Handing things to people isn't as helpful as helping them work through things themselves. You may notice that LL stands at the plate and takes a good strong swing at things, even if he's pretty sure he's probably going to hit a foul ball. You're past playing language learning tee-ball.

Always take your best shot at understanding things for yourself and push your own limits rather than just asking for things to be handed to you. You'll make greater and faster progress.

My response was founded on principle, not rudeness.

 

[letslearn]

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I take an interpretation that that's the continuous usage of the -masu stem, not the nounal usage, as in other lines まわりまわる, めぐりめぐる or かないかなう.

For clarity is the continuous form e.g
まわりまわる spinning and spinning/turning and turning round and round etc. And if so does that make 昇り昇る rising and rising? I see in the song that the singer is talking about gentle weightlessness, rising and rising pulsing throughout the world.
It sounds pretty funky!!

 

[Albatrosspro]

Not really. Handing things to people isn't as helpful as helping them work through things themselves. You may notice that LL stands at the plate and takes a good strong swing at things, even if he's pretty sure he's probably going to hit a foul ball. You're past playing language learning tee-ball.

Always take your best shot at understanding things for yourself and push your own limits rather than just asking for things to be handed to you. You'll make greater and faster progress.

My response was founded on principle, not rudeness.

Putting aside the problems that you have absolutely no idea what level of Japanese I'm at, my learning style, or if I already did attempt to figure that expression out, the obvious issue is that what you chose to type before was totally different. Telling a stranger that what they're trying to understand is actually easy isn't helpful and it doesn't encourage them to "push their own limits". It's rude and insulting.

It's surprising that someone who's written over 10,000 messages here doesn't know that. Speaking of being a slow learner....

 

[Mike Cash]

I explained that what you choose to perceive as rudeness was not in fact rudeness....then you not only reject it (which you are free to do), but then decide you are justified in being intentionally, openly, and undeniably insulting. Nice. Lol lol lol lol lolzers!

 

[Albatrosspro]

I explained that what you choose to perceive as rudeness was not in fact rudeness....then you not only reject it (which you are free to do), but then decide you are justified in being intentionally, openly, and undeniably insulting. Nice. Lol lol lol lol lolzers!

While it's nice to help others in your spare time and I thank you for it, the way in which you treat others matters as well. Chalking it up to "principle" means nothing when the people you are trying to help perceive just the opposite. I ask you to please watch how you say things, especially in an anonymous context where we lack familiarity.

 

[Mike Cash]

I'm not anonymous; I post under my real name.