Can we omit the って without changing the meaning here?

zuotengdazuo · 20 Mar 2020

「ただまあ、彼はまさにいま人生を棒に振っちゃってるわけでして」
刑事はしゃがみ込む。目を細めて柱を見ている。
「そこまでして会いたい子がいるってのは、私なんかにゃ、なんだか羨ましい気もしますな」

Hi. Can we omit the って in red without changing the meaning here? If not, does it have any nuance? I don't know というのは can express emotions. I only know it is used to give definitions.
Thank you.

Toritoribe · 20 Mar 2020

It's not for emotion but for explanation/definition also there. って/という can be omitted without changing the meaning at least so significantly.

zuotengdazuo · 20 Mar 2020

Thank you.

Toritoribe said:
It's not for emotion but for explanation/definition also there.

But why is なんだか羨ましい気もしますな considered as explanation/definition? Isn't it "I feel kind of envious"?

Toritoribe · 22 Mar 2020

Well, explanation/definition is not a good explanation. As you would know, one of the main function of "A って/という B" is to explain that A is the characteristic/attribute (属性) of B, so っての/というの has a nuance to that the clause is talking about a characteristic/an attribute of the preceding noun/phrase/clause in general, something like "things like~". If って/という isn't there, it's just about そこまでして会いたい子がいるの/こと. The difference is subtle (or very delicate) and hard to explain, though.

zuotengdazuo · 22 Mar 2020

Thank you. I see.

Toritoribe said:
so っての/というの has a nuance to that the clause is talking about a characteristic/an attribute of the preceding noun/phrase/clause in general, something like "things like~"

Do you mean なんだか羨ましい気もしますな is just a characteristic/an attribute of そこまでして会いたい子がいる?

Toritoribe · 22 Mar 2020

Not really. I was talking about the difference between そこまでして会いたい子がいるって/というの vs. そこまでして会いたい子がいるの.

zuotengdazuo · 22 Mar 2020

Toritoribe said:
so っての/というの has a nuance to that the clause is talking about a characteristic/an attribute of the preceding noun/phrase/clause in general, something like "things like~".

Thank you. So by "clause" you mean そこまでして会いたい子がいるって/というの and "preceding" is for "precede the って/というの". So do you mean that そこまでして会いたい子がいるって/というの talks about the characteristic/attribute (in general) of the fact that there is someone who he wants to see while そこまでして会いたい子がいるの is just stating the fact that there is someone who he wants to see?

Toritoribe · 23 Mar 2020

Oh, sorry, seems to be failed to edit my post. I meant "a nuance to talk about a characteristic/an attribute of the preceding noun/phrase/clause in general."

zuotengdazuo said:
So do you mean that そこまでして会いたい子がいるって/というの talks about the characteristic/attribute (in general) of the fact that there is someone who he wants to see while そこまでして会いたい子がいるの is just stating the fact that there is someone who he wants to see?

Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

zuotengdazuo · 24 Mar 2020

Thank you again.

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