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Yea โ˜

I've just started the book and that te form was in the middle of the book. I still got a lot to learn =P

*works hard*
 
I like ้กŒๅ๏ผˆใ ใ„ใ‚ใ„๏ผ‰for "title."
 
ๅƒ•ใ‚‚ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใฎๆ–‡ๆณ•ใฎ่พžๆ›ธใ‚’่ฒทใฃใŸใ€ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใฎใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใคใจๆ€ใ†
 
TGO said:
ๅƒ•ใ‚‚ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใฎๆ–‡ๆณ•ใฎ่พžๆ›ธใ‚’่ฒทใฃใŸใ€ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใฎใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใคใจๆ€ใ†
ใ€‚ใ€‚ใ€‚่พžๆ›ธใ‚’่ฒทใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใใ‚Œใฏใ€ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใ‚’ใƒžใ‚นใ‚ฟใƒผใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใคใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ใŒใ‚ˆใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚

็งใซใจใฃใฆใฏใ€ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซไธ€็•ชๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใคใฎใฏ่žใๅ–ใ‚Šใงใ™ใ€‚
ใงใ‚‚ใ€ใ‚ใชใŸใซใจใฃใฆใฏใ€ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใฎๅ‹‰ๅผทๆ–นๆณ•ใฎไธญใงๆ–‡ๆณ•่พžๆ›ธใฏๆœ€ใ‚‚ๅฝนใซ็ซ‹ใกใพใ™ใญใ€‚

 
ๅƒ•ใซใจใฃใฆใ‚‚ใ€ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใ‚’ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ™ใ‚‹ใฎใซ่žใๅ–ใ‚ŠใŒๅคงๅˆ‡ใซใชใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸใ€‚
่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใชใ‚“ใจใชใๅ‹้”ใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‹ใŒ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
 
ใ‚ใ‚ใใ†ใงใ™ใ‹๏ผŸ
ๅคšๅˆ†ใ€่ฉฑใ™ๅ†…ๅฎนใฏ Damicci ใ•ใ‚“ใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใชๅ†…ๅฎนใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใ ใจๆ€ใ†ๅ‹้”ใŒใ„ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ€
ใ‚ใพใ‚Šๅ•้กŒใชใใ€่ฉฑใ›ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใญใ€‚ Maybe because you have friends that understand the limits of your level of content knowledge, you can talk without much problem.... ใใฎ็ŠถๆณใŒใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใ ใ‘ใฉใ€‚ใ€‚ใ€‚

ใƒกใƒผใƒซใชใฉใงไฝ•ใ‹่ชฌๆ˜Žใ™ใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ‚Šๅฃใง่จ€ใฃใŸใปใ†ใŒใกใ‚‡ใฃใจใ—ใซใใ„ใงใ™ใŒใ€็งใฎใŸใ‚ใซใ‚‚่€ณใง่žใใปใ†ใŒใ„ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใญใ€‚
 
ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใฟใชใ•ใ‚“ใ€‚
ใ“ใฎ้–“๏ผˆใ‚ใ„ใ ๏ผ‰็™ป้Œฒ๏ผˆใจใ†ใ‚ใ๏ผ‰ใ—ใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใฎๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใงใ™ใ€‚
ๆ™‚ใ€…๏ผˆใจใใฉใ๏ผ‰ๅ‚ๅŠ ๏ผˆใ•ใ‚“ใ‹๏ผ‰ใ•ใ›ใฆใใ ใ•ใ„ใญใ€‚


Damicci ใ•ใ‚“ใฎ ใ€Œ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใชใ‚“ใจใชใๅ‹้”ใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‹ใŒ็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใ€
ใฏใ€ใ“ใ†่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚‰ใฉใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ


ๅ‹้”ใฎ่ฉฑใฏใชใ‚“ใจใชใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใŒใ€็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใฎ่ฉฑใฏใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚

ๅ‹้”ใฎ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใฏใชใ‚“ใจใชใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใฎ่ฉฑใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š่žใๅ–ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
 
ๆ—ฅๅธธไผš่ฉฑใ‚„ใ€็งใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’ใกใ‚ƒใ‚“ใจ่žใ„ใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใจ ็งใซไผใˆใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ็›ธใฅใกใŸใใ•ใ‚“ใ‚’ๆ‰“ใคใฎใงใ€
ๅ‹้”ใจ่ฉฑใ™ใปใ†ใŒใ„ใ„ใงใ™ใ‚ˆใ€‚ใกใ‚‡ใฃใจๅค‰ใช่ฉฑใ—ๆ–นใซๆ…ฃใ‚ŒใฆใใŸใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€‚ใ€‚ใ€‚
 
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๏ผฐ๏ฝŒ๏ฝ…๏ฝ๏ฝ“๏ฝ… ๏ฝ„๏ฝ ๏ฝƒ๏ฝ๏ฝ’๏ฝ’๏ฝ…๏ฝƒ๏ฝ” ๏ฝ๏ฝ… ๏ผพ๏ผพ๏ผŽ ๏ผฉ'๏ฝ ๏ฝŽ๏ฝ๏ฝ” ๏ฝ‡๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ„ ๏ฝ๏ฝ” ๏ผช๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝŽ๏ฝ…๏ฝ“๏ฝ…๏ผŽ
ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใ‚ใฟใ‚“ใชใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ‚ใŸใ—ใ‚ฐใƒฌใ‚คใ‚นใงใ™ ใฉใ†ใžใ‚ˆใ‚Œใ—ใ๏ผ
 
YukiMizayaki said:
ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใฏใ€ใฟใชใ•ใ‚“ใ€‚ใ‚ใŸใ—ใฎใชใพใˆใฏใ‚ฐใƒฌใ‚คใ‚นใงใ™ใ€‚ ใฉใ†ใžใ‚ˆใ‚ใ—ใ๏ผ
don't be shy, effort is the most admirable thing when it comes to learning a new language. Here is your quote edited.
 

ๆœ€ๅพŒใฎๆ–‡็ซ ใฏไฝ•ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ ใ”ใ‚ใ‚“ใญใ€‚
 
Damicci:

She said your sentence ใ€Œ่ฉฑใ—ใพใ—ใŸใ‚‰ใ€ใชใ‚“ใจใชใๅ‹้”ใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‹ใŒ็Ÿฅ ใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚ใ€ would have been better if said in the two alternatives she offered:
ๅ‹้”ใฎ่ฉฑใฏใชใ‚“ใจใชใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚‹ใŒใ€็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆ—ฅๆœฌไบบใฎ่ฉฑใฏ ใ‚ˆใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
Or:
ๅ‹้”ใฎ่ฉฑใ™ใฎใฏใชใ‚“ใจใชใใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€็Ÿฅใ‚‰ใชใ„ๆ—ฅๆœฌ ไบบใฎ่ฉฑใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Š่žใๅ–ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€‚
 
ใ‚‚ใ†ไธ€ไบบใฎใ‚ทใƒณใ‚ฌใƒใƒผใƒซไบบใŒ่ฆ‹ใคใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ใ€‚ใ€‚ๆœฌๅฝ“ใซๅฌ‰ใ—ใ„ใ ใญ๏ผYukiMizayakiใ•ใ‚“ใ€ใ“ใ‚“ใซใกใ‚๏ผๅƒ•ใ‚‚ๆ—ฅๆœฌ่ชžใฎๅ‹‰ๅผทใ‹ๅง‹ใพใฃใŸใฐใ‹ใ‚Šใ ใ€‚ๅ›ใจๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚ŠใŸใ„ใจๆ€ใ†๏ผ๏ผ
 
ใฏใ„๏ผ
*ใ”ใ‚ใชใ•ใ„, I can't read most of the Kanji yet ^^*
 
YukiMizayaki said:
ใฏใ„๏ผ
*ใ”ใ‚ใชใ•ใ„, I can't read most of the Kanji yet ^^*
in kana form for your benefit:
 
@๏ผด๏ผง๏ผฏ: ใฏใ„~ ็งใ‚‚ๅฌ‰ใงใ™ใŒใ€‚
 
Damicci said:
ๆœ€ๅพŒใฎๆ–‡็ซ ใฏไฝ•ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ ใ”ใ‚ใ‚“ใญใ€‚
ใ€Œ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ใ€ใฏไฝ•ใŒ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใฎใ‹ใ‚ˆใๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ใชใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
ๅคšๅˆ†ใ€ใ€Œkoruri ใ•ใ‚“ใŒใ—ใฆใใ‚ŒใŸ่จ‚ๆญฃใฎๆ„ๅ‘ณใ‚’็†่งฃใ—ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“ใญใ€‚
 
I was trying to say "the last sentence is what I wanted to say" meaning I know she corrected me but I think the last sentence's structure seem to closer match what I wanted to say. They both mean the same thing I guess but the last sentence seem to stick out more for me.
 
ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ๅˆ†ใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚ใใ‚Œใชใ‚‰ใ€ใ€Œๆœ€ๅพŒใฎๆ–‡๏ผˆใฎใปใ†๏ผ‰ใŒ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚“ใงใ™ใ€ใจใ‹ใ€Œๆœ€ๅพŒใฎๆ–‡๏ผˆใฎใปใ†๏ผ‰ใŒ๏ผˆใซ๏ผ‰ๆœ€ใ‚‚่ฟ‘ใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€ใฟใŸใ„ใซใฏ่จ€ใˆใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚

ใ‚‚ใกใ‚ใ‚“ใ€่จ€ใ„ๆ–นใฏใ„ใ‚ใ„ใ‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒใ€ใใ‚ŒใŒ็ฐกๅ˜ใง่‰ฏใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
ใ€Œ่จ€ใฃใฆใปใ—ใ„ใ€ใฃใฆใฏใ€ใ€Œwant you to sayใ€ใจใ„ใ†ๆ„ๅ‘ณใซใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใญใ€‚
ใ€Œไฝ•ใจใ„ใ†ใ“ใจใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใ€ใจใ„ใ†ใ‚ˆใ†ใช่จ€ใ„ๆ–นใฏใชใ„ใงใ™ใญใ€‚
 
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ใ‚ใ‚ใ€ใใ†ใงใ™ใ‹ใ€‚
็งใซใฏใพใ ใ€Œ๏ฝžใฎใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใ€ใจใ€Œ๏ฝžใŸใ„ใ€ใฎ้•ใ„ใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Š้›ฃใ„ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
ไพ‹ใˆใฐ
ใใ‚Œใจ่จ€ใ†ใฎใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ ใจ
ใใ‚Œใจ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ„

็งใซใฏไบŒใคใฎๆ–‡ใฏๅŒใ˜ๆ„ๅ‘ณใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ‘ใฉใ€ใใฎๆ–‡ใ‚‚ใชใ‚“ใจใ‹้•ใ„ๆ„Ÿใ˜ใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚
 
I don't think ใฎใŒ๏ผˆใฏ๏ผ‰ๆฌฒใ—ใ„ exists at all.

"I want to..." -> ใ€‚ใ€‚ใ€‚ใŒ๏ผˆใ‚’๏ผ‰ใ—ใŸใ„
"He/she, etc. wants to..." -> ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹
"I want you/him/her, etc. to..." -> ใŒ๏ผใ‚’ใ—ใฆๆฌฒใ—ใ„ (Actually I'm not entirely sure which particle that one gets, but I'd guess ใŒ)
 
Glenn said:
I don't think ใฎใŒ๏ผˆใฏ๏ผ‰ๆฌฒใ—ใ„ exists at all.

"He/she, etc. wants to..." -> ใ‚’ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹
Actually I rarely see ใ—ใŸใŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ in this case unless you want to emphasize seems or appears to want and usually end up with ใ—ใŸใ„๏ผˆใจใŠใ‚‚ใฃใฆใ„ใพใ™ใ€‚ etc๏ผ‰
ใฎใŒใปใ—ใ„ is alright in the case of ใฎ as a possessive I would say....
 
Ah, right. I was only thinking of it as a nominalizer. But yeah, ้’ใ„ใฎใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ is perfectly fine, where ใฎ is the indefinite pronoun "one."
 
ใ‚„ใฃใฑใ‚ŠใพใŸ้–“้•ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใงใ‚‚ใ•ใ€ๆ™‚ใ€…็งใฎๅ‹้”ใฏ็งใŒๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“ใ€็งใซใ€Œใชใ‚“ใจ่จ€ใ†ใ“ใจใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„๏ผŸใ€ใจ่žใใพใ™ใ€‚ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€ŒใฎใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใ€ใŒ้•ใ„ใพใ—ใŸใ€‚ใ€Œใ“ใจใŒๆฌฒใ—ใ„ใ€ใจ่จ€ใ„ใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ€‚
 
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