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Kouhai
- 29 Mar 2008
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Well, apparently, using white may be incorrect. I never said Japan is a racist country. Again, you don't read fully my statement, but oh well, just keep on sending.
Well, apparently, using white may be incorrect. I never said Japan is a racist country. Again, you don't read fully my statement, but oh well, just keep on sending.I don't think we're on the same page here... citizenship and ethnicity are different things. You don't carry Japanese citizenship, but you identify yourself as Japanese and American, then you call Japan racist. And keep using Africa as a reference, where the lines between nationality and ethnicity are even more blurred?
OK, nevermind. You're a beautiful snowflake that can use chopsticks. Good for you. Sorry I didn't have more questions like "what's it like to look Japanese but not know the language?"
I never said Japan is a racist country. Again, you don't read fully my statement, but oh well, just keep on sending.
Japan is racist, or they have the right to do so.
And are non Japanese living in Japan a gaijin? If so, then Japan is racist.
Good question. The problem is, Japanese Americans are grouped up in a category that's offensive to us. For example:This is quickly becoming one of my favorite threads.
OK, so, let me ask you a question. Do you think Japanese-Americans (or Japanese Americans) are being discriminated against in the United States?
Also:Model minority myth:
Model minority refers to a minority ethnic, racial, or religious group whose members achieve a higher degree of success than the population average. It is most commonly used to label one ethnic minority higher achieving than another ethnic minority. This success is typically measured in income, education, and related factors such as low crime rate and high family stability. The term is often characterized as a myth which amounts to racial stereotyping, and that its use may be a political tool and its implications incite jealousy and fighting among ethnic minorities, an example of leveraging majority power dynamics to provoke ill sentiments between minority groups.
In the United States, the term has usually been associated with East Asian Americans and Indian Americans. Recently, the term has been broadened in some circles to include recent African immigrants.
A common misconception is that the affected communities usually hold pride in their labeling as the model minority. Statistics are often cited to back up their model minority status such as high educational achievement, overrepresentation at Ivy League and other prestigious universities, and a high percentage of Asian Americans working in white collar professions (jobs such as medicine, investment banking, management consulting, finance, and law). Part of the myth is that the Asian American community embraces the model minority label as empowering to their image, implying that Asians are the "model" for other minority demographics to emulate. For example, second generation Chinese American, Frances Kai-Hwa Wang, notes that East Asians should not only accept the model minority stereotype, but embrace it because East Asian educational values are a special legacy of their heritages.
While some Asian Americans hold pride in the model minority image, the consensus in academia and the field of Asian American studies is that the Model Minority Myth is detrimental to the Asian Pacific American community, used to justify the exclusion of needy APA communities in the distribution of assistance programs, public and private, and understate or slight the achievements of APA individuals. Communities that are especially affected are South East Asian communities, e.g. Cambodian-American, and the Pacific Islander community, e.g. persons with origins in Guam and Micronesia; these communities have much lower education rates and higher poverty rates. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Indian Americans are over twice as likely to attend college than other types of Asians. The Model Minority myth relies on the aggregation of success indicators, hiding the plight of recent first-generation immigrants under the high success rate of more established Asian communities.
The term "model minority" was coined in the mid-1960s by William Petersen to describe Asian Americans as ethnic minorities who, despite marginalization, have achieved success in the United States.
The purpose was to provide a comparison of capitalist and socialist economies: as capitalism was equated with inequality, particularly in reference to poor African Americans, Asian Americans were chosen as an example of a minority group who could succeed by "merit" alone. Modelminority.com writes: "While superficially complimentary to Asian Americans, the real purpose and effect of this portrayal is to celebrate the status quo in race relations. First, by over-emphasizing Asian American success, it deemphasizes the problems Asian Americans continue to face from racial discrimination in all areas of public and private life. Second, by misrepresenting Asian American success as proof that the US provides equal opportunities for those who conform and work hard, it excuses US society from careful scrutiny on issues of race in general, and on the persistence of racism against Asian Americans in particular."
So with these types of stereotypes, there are no reason why Asians need any help, support and now, Asians are classed as white in affirmative action, because we are the model minority.Almost at the same time, Japanese officials, including Michio Watanabe and Prime Minister Yasuhiro Nakasone, were criticized for making racially insensitive remarks targeted at blacks and hispanics. Nakasone said that African and Hispanic Americans had been lowering America's intelligence level because of their low literacy rate (he claimed 25%), and praised Japan's "racial homogeneity" and working ethics, claiming that American workers were lazy. Nakasone was forced to make an apology to the people of both the United States and Japan for his comments. Notably, it has been claimed by scholars that "a large number of Japanese actually agreed with [Nakasone's] comments, but were merely angered by the embarrassment that it had caused Japan by him making them."
Can you see why nice gaijin made that statement?
I don't mean to judge, but trolls smell like the inside of a bellybutton.
Emoni, there's no reason to get worked up over this kid, his haphazard statements are a goldmine of self-destructive logic.
I'm back to prod this mess with a 11-foot pole, for the sake of backing NiceGaijin up a bit.
First, I'm starting smell a troll or at least troll like behavior. Your reply to my post made NO sense, and pretty much stated that you haven't technically broken any rules so you are going to run with this travesty as far as you can. Not what I consider a promising direction for this thread, nor was it even remotely related to what I posted even.
Second, I know NiceGaijin in real life and he pays VERY close attention to details and what is said and what is NOT said in a much more coherent manner than this thread deserves. Honestly, he likely he may have more experience with "Japan and Japanese culture" than you, or at the very least he has thought more subjectively about what he does know. He's made some very valid statements about this post that you have not answered, and you are now veering off the statements and questions he posed towards attacking (unjustifiably) his alleged inability to "read fully (your) post."
I highly "recommend" you check your attitude before further posting as you are not making many friends with your current demeanor.
Are you black? I'm an American because I was born here and my mother is an American because she became a citizen.that's it, I'm moving to Africa so I can be black.
Are you black?
What went over my head? The fact that you want to move to Africa and want to be black? And I asked, are you black or are you implying that you will become black moving to the continent of Africa?Zoom! Right over his head!
No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.
no, that's what you implied.
What do you think ethnicity means?
Nah, you'd have to wait a bitThat way the value can drop down even further and I'll feel like I gave away less.
I think he has two character in his Identity like this?
http://lions.fau.jp/ben05rm/05-sp11.wmv
外国人による日本語弁論大会 2005
I know what the dictionary says, that wasn't my question.My nationality is USA.
na⋅tion⋅al⋅i⋅ty
/ˌnæʃəˈnælɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nash-uh-nal-i-tee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties for 1, 2, 5, 6.
1. the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization: the nationality of an immigrant.
2. the relationship of property, holdings, etc., to a particular nation, or to one or more of its members: the nationality of a ship.
My ethnicity is Japanese.
eth⋅nic⋅i⋅ty
/ɛθˈnɪsɪti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [eth-nis-i-tee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. ethnic traits, background, allegiance, or association.
2. an ethnic group: Representatives of several ethnicities were present.
Hope that solves the confusion
I know what the dictionary says, that wasn't my question.
no, that's what you implied.
What do you think ethnicity means?
no, that's what you implied.
What do you think ethnicity means?
Aww, it's just so sad. You are totally misunderstood by both Americans and Japanese alike. You are so unique, nobody gets you. Like a pre-op tranny.Takashi is an American. He is also ethnically Japanese. Being an American is not being a certain race, as I am Japanese, born of Japanese parents but am an American citizen. Actually, there is no ethnic group in the U.S. Well, maybe I and many others who were born and raised here or naturalized by the ICE formerly INS, we're United Statese Wow, people born in the U.S. are not an ethnic group and i could see why Japanese people from Japan can't grasp this concept. That's why they called me a baka gaijin and nihon ni kaire. But I have no ethnic background other than Japanese.
Takashi is an American. If he gives up his American citizenship and becomes a Japanese, then he's Japanese as he no longer associates his life or his identity to the U.S. But the next question is, will the Japanese government recognize that? If he commits a crime, can he be deported once naturalized or will he have the opportunity to become naturalized?
Nah I was just hoping for some clarification, like why you would say that moving to another country or even becoming a naturalized citizen would change your ethnic identity. Seems like you're the one who is confused, or perhaps just the source of confusion here.And I wrote it down. Do you want a philosophical answer? Something pensive or thoughtful? If no, then i don't understand the question
Gee, that's an insult to the LGBT crowd. Come on insult me if you wish, but don't insult the LGBT groupsAww, it's just so sad. You are totally misunderstood by both Americans and Japanese alike. You are so unique, nobody gets you. Like a pre-op tranny.
Nah I was just hoping for some clarification, like why you would say that moving to another country or even becoming a naturalized citizen would change your ethnic identity. Seems like you're the one who is confused, or perhaps just the source of confusion here.
Insult? I just said that you were misunderstood. You should be so lucky to be compared to a pre-op tranny.Gee, that's an insult to the LGBT crowd. Come on insult me if you wish, but don't insult the LGBT groups
Do you ever read what you write, or does it all just come gushing out like a lanced boil?Ethnic? I said nationality. I can change my nationality but I can't change my ethnicity.
No but it makes you your ethnicity Japan. Like, African Japanese or Italian Japanese or British Japanese. Because there is no way I can get rid of my Japanese aspect of me, and American is not an ethnicity either, contrary to popular belief.Originally Posted by Half-n-Half View Post
I think what he meant was that someone living in Japan might not necessarily be of Japanese decent or a citizen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mikawa Ossan, who you directed one of your posts toward, does not have any Japanese ancestry. Living in Japan does not automatically make you Japanese.
What do you mean?