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He didn't die in service to his country, he was EX-Prime Minister. Also, as far as has been shown he died because of his involvement with the "Unification Church", not because he used to be PM.
He didn't die in service to his country, he was EX-Prime Minister. Also, as far as has been shown he died because of his involvement with the "Unification Church", not because he used to be PM.Obama won the Nobel Prize for Peace and Times Man of the Year, what has he accomplished? The irony ... My point is that I can make a list just as long of worthless American leaders who accomplished nothing, yet were accorded honor inspite of the facts. Are we really questioning Mr. Abe meaning and accomplishments in Japan to justify not according a State level funeral. He died in service to his party and country. You are arguing this here?
There is no basis in precedent or law to give him a state funeral. And he did NOT die in service to his country. He was retired. He did die in "service" to his party. Therefore his party should have held a memorial event for him or pay the bill for this. (And that's essentially what they did except they made the taxpayers pay for it.)Obama won the Nobel Prize for Peace and Times Man of the Year, what has he accomplished? The irony ... My point is that I can make a list just as long of worthless American leaders who accomplished nothing, yet were accorded honor inspite of the facts. Are we really questioning Mr. Abe meaning and accomplishments in Japan to justify not according a State level funeral. He died in service to his party and country. You are arguing this here?
Jake has always been anti-Japanese. This title does not surprise me.I like Jake Adelstein; he doesn't mince his words. His latest piece in the Daily Beast is all you need to read.
Master Liar Shinzo Abe Doesn’t Deserve This Lavish Funeral
The slain former prime minister was responsible for turning Japan into a nation that doesn’t know how to tell the truth.www.thedailybeast.com
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Longest serving PM and his legacy prior is deserving of such honor.There is no basis in precedent or law to give him a state funeral. And he did NOT die in service to his country. He was retired. He did die in "service" to his party. Therefore his party should have held a memorial event for him or pay the bill for this. (And that's essentially what they did except they made the taxpayers pay for it.)
Are you disputing any of the content of the article?Jake has always been anti-Japanese. This title does not surprise me.
Yes. Jake is a Japan basher, and always has been and always will be. I wonder if he will write books condemning his own country. Probably not.Are you disputing any of the content of the article?
I like Jake Adelstein; he doesn't mince his words. His latest piece in the Daily Beast is all you need to read.
Master Liar Shinzo Abe Doesn’t Deserve This Lavish Funeral
The slain former prime minister was responsible for turning Japan into a nation that doesn’t know how to tell the truth.www.thedailybeast.com
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My question was regarding the contents of the article. Are you disputing any of the facts? If so, what specifically?Yes. Jake is a Japan basher, and always has been and always will be. I wonder if he will write books condemning his own country. Probably not.
This book is a junk piece on Abe Shinzo. A nation that does not tell the truth? What sort of vague accusation is this? Japanese people lie to the world because of Abenomics? I personally loved Abe because he was ambitious about national security issues. Most can admit that his economic policies failed, but did create jobs and stimulated consumer spending. Mr. Abe was more respected than loved, because he had the courage to do the right thing. He put key issues front and center, like Article 9 and greater alliances with other democracies around the world, not just the US. That alone makes him respected. He is much deserving of a State Funeral.
Even in his own Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), where he ruled with an iron fist for almost a decade, lawmaker Seiichiro Murakami stunned the press by stating very publicly last week, "I always opposed a state funeral for Abe and I won't attend. His administration wrecked state finances, the economy, diplomacy and even the bureaucracy. He was an enemy of the nation, a pirate." quote from the linkThis proves that you do not even look at what's presented to you. This is an article and not a book. None of the accusations is vague but clearly outlined and described.
Answer the question: which facts in the article above do you dispute and why?
I have mentioned previously about national security and strengthening relations with other democracies.Did he have any notable achievements in diplomacy and national security?
Japanese criticize every PM, even the last 18 different PMs since 1992! There is never a shortage of junk pieces written by non-Japanese and Japanese alike about a person willing to take responsibility for the country. This is not a popularity contest, it is about leading Japan towards liberation from ignorant Western dogmas and boot licking American leaders that have failed policies at home. Most Japanese are childish and ignorant about global issues and politics in general; who cares what they think. Fact remains, is that Abe was elected by the people in free and fair elections the longest of any PM in history.Again, you avoid disputing facts. I find it ironic that you - as a non-Japanese (so I assume) - defend someone most Japanese consider divisive, dishonest and detrimental to the country, its citizens, and its economy.
Japanese criticize every PM, even the last 18 different PMs since 1992! There is never a shortage of junk pieces written by non-Japanese and Japanese alike about a person willing to take responsibility for the country. This is not a popularity contest, it is about leading Japan towards liberation from ignorant Western dogmas and boot licking American leaders that have failed policies at home. Most Japanese are childish and ignorant about global issues and politics in general; who cares what they think. Fact remains, is that Abe was elected by the people in free and fair elections the longest of any PM in history.
By what people? You mean a few hundred people in the Diet?Fact remains, is that Abe was elected by the people in free and fair elections the longest of any PM in history.
You lie as naturally as you breathe." quote
This is a trash piece!
"Who cares what they think" - that's quite a statement to make about the people of the country you live in and whose country you vociferously 'defend' against us western imperialists. As Thomas said, no further questions.Japanese criticize every PM, even the last 18 different PMs since 1992! There is never a shortage of junk pieces written by non-Japanese and Japanese alike about a person willing to take responsibility for the country. This is not a popularity contest, it is about leading Japan towards liberation from ignorant Western dogmas and boot licking American leaders that have failed policies at home. Most Japanese are childish and ignorant about global issues and politics in general; who cares what they think. Fact remains, is that Abe was elected by the people in free and fair elections the longest of any PM in history.
No. In a Democracy where there is free and fair elections. He was elected by the people, the very same people who many of you accuse as being a criminal.By what people? You mean a few hundred people in the Diet?
... and the very same people who you accuse of being "childish and ignorant about global issues and politics in general". Is that why they voted for Abe?No. In a Democracy where there is free and fair elections. He was elected by the people, the very same people who many of you accuse as being a criminal.
What are you talking about? There is no popular election of Prime Minister. It's the Diet that chooses.No. In a Democracy where there is free and fair elections. He was elected by the people, the very same people who many of you accuse as being a criminal.
I never praised free and fair elections. I simply stated that there were free and fair elections that elected Abe into power. Praising Putin would be more like me admiring him for his willful disregard for US foreign policy. By stating that Putin is the leader of the free world is a fact, not a praise.And its kind of hard to love Putin on the one hand, while praising fair and free democratic elections on the other.
It must be one of those rare instances where democracy is good, but a strong man who keeps appointing himself "president" is even better.