Angel Valis
黒川
- 15 Jul 2010
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So a couple weeks ago I was to give a short presentation on the text below. It ended up being pretty disastrous since I didn't bother to even look at it until the day before it was due. I simply saw that it was two short paragraphs and figured that it would be easy enough to understand. Unfortunately I was completely wrong, could barely understand any of it, had to ask my teacher 10 minutes before the presentation what it was about, and had to get examples off of wikipedia (which had two whole sentences about 基本語彙). It doesn't help that the definitions we were given for 基礎語彙 and 基本語彙 were confusing and not exactly correct, and I couldn't find definitions for them on jisho.org or alc.co.jp.
So I'm going to try going through this sentence by sentence and give my thoughts and concerns about the meaning. My translation will be in normal text, and notes in italics. I of course appreciate any help and clarification.
Firstly, I want to define 基礎語彙 and 基本語彙 as I understand them at the moment:
基礎語彙 is basic vocabulary, words that tend to be in most people's vocabulary
基本語彙 is essentially jargon, words that aren't necessarily in everyone's vocabulary.
基礎語彙に対して、基本語彙という考え方があります。
As opposed to 基礎語彙, there is a way of thinking called 基本語彙.
Would "school of thought be more appropriate in this situation?
Also, this sentence just seems kind of odd to me. Why is it a "way of thinking" or "school of thought" when it (as is said later) objectively different from 基礎語彙?
これは、語彙調査をした結果、使用率が大きい語のグル ープを言います。
I just really don't understand this sentence. My teacher had to clarify that 使用率が大きい was a modifying clause, but I don't really understand what's happening here.
語彙調査をした結果ですから、基礎語彙に比べ客観的で あると言えます。
Due to the results of the survey, it can be said that [基本語彙] is objectively [different] compared to 基礎語彙.
The grammar of 客観的である confuses me. Is it simply saying that the results are objective and I'm just missing the connection between the two things? Yes, my brain makes a differentiation between my translation and what I just said haha.
ですから、使用率の高い1500語とか2000語とか5000語を 習得の目標に選んだりすることがあります。
Something something Utilization rate something something constitutes a mark of acquisition.
Oh my goodness, I REALLY don't understand this sentence AT ALL. I discovered that 〇〇に選ぶ means "to constitute" rather than "to choose", but I don't know why 選ぶ is in たり form here, or really anything before を. My teacher tried to explain it, but I still don't understand. I take it that those word amounts are levels of some sort, but It really confuses me.
日本語教育の現場では、基礎語彙と基本語彙を組み合わ せて指導することが多いようです。
In the Japanese language education scene, these two sets of vocabularies are mixed together and taught.
I don't understand what ことが多いようです adds here.
また、国立国語研究所で1984年に報告している「日本語 教育のための基本語彙調査」も数えるべき語彙を選択す る際の参考になります。
I understand the words here, but have trouble putting it all together in my mind.
I really wish I could understand this better; I just feel like Japanese is running away from me as fast as it can. I understand vocab and grammar, but as soon as the grammar gets even slightly complex, I seem to lose all ability to figure out what I'm reading or hearing.
よろしくお願いします。
So I'm going to try going through this sentence by sentence and give my thoughts and concerns about the meaning. My translation will be in normal text, and notes in italics. I of course appreciate any help and clarification.
Firstly, I want to define 基礎語彙 and 基本語彙 as I understand them at the moment:
基礎語彙 is basic vocabulary, words that tend to be in most people's vocabulary
基本語彙 is essentially jargon, words that aren't necessarily in everyone's vocabulary.
基礎語彙に対して、基本語彙という考え方があります。
As opposed to 基礎語彙, there is a way of thinking called 基本語彙.
Would "school of thought be more appropriate in this situation?
Also, this sentence just seems kind of odd to me. Why is it a "way of thinking" or "school of thought" when it (as is said later) objectively different from 基礎語彙?
これは、語彙調査をした結果、使用率が大きい語のグル ープを言います。
I just really don't understand this sentence. My teacher had to clarify that 使用率が大きい was a modifying clause, but I don't really understand what's happening here.
語彙調査をした結果ですから、基礎語彙に比べ客観的で あると言えます。
Due to the results of the survey, it can be said that [基本語彙] is objectively [different] compared to 基礎語彙.
The grammar of 客観的である confuses me. Is it simply saying that the results are objective and I'm just missing the connection between the two things? Yes, my brain makes a differentiation between my translation and what I just said haha.
ですから、使用率の高い1500語とか2000語とか5000語を 習得の目標に選んだりすることがあります。
Something something Utilization rate something something constitutes a mark of acquisition.
Oh my goodness, I REALLY don't understand this sentence AT ALL. I discovered that 〇〇に選ぶ means "to constitute" rather than "to choose", but I don't know why 選ぶ is in たり form here, or really anything before を. My teacher tried to explain it, but I still don't understand. I take it that those word amounts are levels of some sort, but It really confuses me.
日本語教育の現場では、基礎語彙と基本語彙を組み合わ せて指導することが多いようです。
In the Japanese language education scene, these two sets of vocabularies are mixed together and taught.
I don't understand what ことが多いようです adds here.
また、国立国語研究所で1984年に報告している「日本語 教育のための基本語彙調査」も数えるべき語彙を選択す る際の参考になります。
I understand the words here, but have trouble putting it all together in my mind.
I really wish I could understand this better; I just feel like Japanese is running away from me as fast as it can. I understand vocab and grammar, but as soon as the grammar gets even slightly complex, I seem to lose all ability to figure out what I'm reading or hearing.
よろしくお願いします。