ほうが + kanji

tanhql · 1 Dec 2006

i know what it means, but i've seen ほうが behind verbs (日本語を勉強するほうが欲しいです) and のほうが behind nouns (鳥のほうが欲しいです). what about adjectives(like 'i like (it) hot')?

what's the difference between ほうが and もっと, other than the 'a bit more' part?

is there any difference between しか and だけ, other than しか can only be used in negative sentence and vice versa? so do they ultimately mean the same thing? like is これだけですか the same as これしかじゃありませんか?

also, can anyone give the kanji for these particles:
たとえば (for example)
ほうが(more~)
もっと(a bit more)
より(compared to~)
より(from ~ on)
けど(but)
のに(despite, but)
ので(but)

どうもありがとうございます。

Damicci · 1 Dec 2006

例えば＝たとえば
I think that is the only one that has kanji that you would use.
all others are normally used in hiragana.

（noun)しか gives the impression that there is nothing but (noun)
私はあなたしかがいません。 There is no one else for me but you.
There is no one else at all I want, only you.

だけ is simply just or only.
この洋服だけのほうがいいと思います。 Just these clothes are best I think.
Maybe there are other choices but I choose these clothes.

HTH

leonmarino · 1 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
i know what it means, but i've seen ほうが behind verbs (日本語を勉強するほうが欲しいです) and のほうが behind nouns (鳥のほうが欲しいです). what about adjectives(like 'i like (it) hot')?

You mean like:
温かい（あたたかい）ほうが好き（すき）です - I prefer (it) hot

Oh and by the way, what do you mean with 「日本語を勉強するほうが欲しいです」？ If you meant to say "I prefer to study Japanese", then it should be 「日本語の勉強のほうが好き（すき）です」

tanhql said:
what's the difference between ほうが and もっと, other than the 'a bit more' part?

もっと means "more" indeed:
私（わたし）は彼（かれ）のほうが好き（すき）です - I like him better, I prefer him
私（わたし）は彼（かれ）のほうがもっと好き（すき）です - I like him much better, I prefer him a lot (that's bad English, but I hope you get the point.. )

もっと as a stand-alone word just means "more" I think..
もっとください - (Can you give me) more please

tanhql said:
is there any difference between しか and だけ, other than しか can only be used in negative sentence and vice versa? so do they ultimately mean the same thing? like is これだけですか the same as これしかじゃありませんか?

Hm.. That's a tough one! I use the correct form intuitively, but I can't really point out the logic behind it, sorry.. (Again, I'm not exactly what you mean with 「これしかじゃありませんか」.. It sounds a bit un-natural)

tanhql said:
also, can anyone give the kanji for these particles:
たとえば (for example)
ほうが(more~)
もっと(a bit more)
より(compared to~)
より(from ~ on)
けど(but)
のに(despite, but)
ので(but)
どうもありがとうございます。

ほうが can be written as 方が.
Beware with もっと that もっとも (which means "most") can be written as 最も, but もっと alone cannot. It's basically a different word, but it confused me at first anyway.
I couldn't find any Kanji for the other ones..

Damicci · 1 Dec 2006

もっと with adverb or adjective i think is still more + adverb or adjective the meaning, iｔ doesn't change i think.
もっとご飯を下さい More rice please.
もっと頑張ってください Please try harder.
もっと我慢してください Please endure more.
なんとなく少し当然じゃないらしいね。
もっと早い運転しませんか？ Can't you drive faster?

leonmarino · 1 Dec 2006

Damicci said:
もっと with adverb or adjective i think is till more + adverb or adjective the meaning i doesn't change i think.
もっとご飯を下さい More rice please.
もっと頑張ってください Please try harder.
もっと我慢してください Please endure more.
なんとなく少し当然じゃないらしいね。
もっと早い運転しませんか？ Can't you drive faster?

Thanks Damicci, that's what I meant actually! もっと is a "comparative" isn't it? (In the same category as "superlative" etc.?)

One note though, I'd express "can't you drive faster?" as 「もっと早く運転できませんか？」. Your sentence is correct, but sounds more like a suggestion: "How about doing some faster driving?".

Damicci · 1 Dec 2006

Cool thank you for the suggestion.

In the case of more ほうが I believe is the Superlative or comparitive.
もっと is possibly more for amounts of something with out comparisson or preference over other nouns.

Please try harder next time. Amount of effort
You tried harder than everyone else. Comparitive against other people
You tried the hardest out of everyone. Superlative against other people

Sorry I couldn't think of more natural sentences to use but I hope this helps.

tanhql · 1 Dec 2006

家で勉強するより、図書館で勉強するほうが集中できます。
why isn't there a の in front of ほうが? are there any other 'situations' that will call for the omission of の?

is 運転しますthe same as ドライブします?
what's the difference between 働く and 仕事する (and other such 'pair' verbs)?
what's the difference between 新しい and 新た (and other such 'pair' adjectives)?

tanhql · 4 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
家で勉強するより、図書館で勉強するほうが集中できます。
why isn't there a の in front of ほうが? are there any other 'situations' that will call for the omission of の?
is 運転しますthe same as ドライブします?
what's the difference between 働く and 仕事する (and other such 'pair' verbs)?
what's the difference between 新しい and 新た (and other such 'pair' adjectives)?

誰が教えてくれますか。どうもありがとう。

Elizabeth · 4 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
家で勉強するより、図書館で勉強するほうが集中できます。
why isn't there a の in front of ほうが? are there any other 'situations' that will call for the omission of の?

I haven't read the other posts in the thread after just getting back, so sorry for any repetition but the meaning is without の is like "it is better or preferable if" the action is taken in a certain direction. の is grammatical after a noun such as the phrase 勉強のほうが集中できます, not in front of より however, if you do leave out the する part.

But after an infinitive form of the verb, to me including の, and this may be totally off cause I've never seen this precise phrasing, reads like "I (the reader) can concentrate better on 図書館で勉強する as a phrase than 家で勉強するより. Very funny.

Elizabeth · 4 Dec 2006

（noun)しか gives the impression that there is nothing but (noun)
私はあなたしかがいません。 There is no one else for me but you.
There is no one else at all I want, only you.

欲しいのはあなただけです。愛してるのはあなただけ is the most direct way I would choose to communicate 'I love only you' or 'You are the only one I love'.

しか feels like it is 'only' in the sense of being either minimal (negligable) in number OR an insufficient or inadequate amount of something. あなたしかいない implies almost the opposite of love to me -- the fact that you are own your own because there is no one but you in existence at a particular place or time....I wish there would be another option, and more was expected, but in reality this is who I am stuck with for now.

だけ is simply just or only.
この洋服だけのほうがいいと思います。 Just these clothes are best I think.
Maybe there are other choices but I choose these clothes.

I think it is only these clothes that are better ???

undrentide · 4 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
is 運転しますthe same as ドライブします?

運転する is just to drive a vehicle. It can be used to operate a machine or big plant, too.
ドライブする is to drive in a car for leisure, fun. Its meaning is narrower than 運転する.

Elizabeth · 4 Dec 2006

is 運転しますthe same as ドライブします?

ドライブします is more strictly to "take a trip" or "go for a drive." 運転します is broader in aspect to also include the operation or physical handling of a vehicle.

what's the difference between 働く and 仕事する (and other such 'pair' verbs)?
what's the difference between 新しい and 新た (and other such 'pair' adjectives)?

What is a pair verb or adjective ? :? The distinction between 働く and 仕事する I understand but is a little complicated to explain.... 新しい is basically the same only less formal than 新た。新た is used a lot on the news.

tanhql · 4 Dec 2006

Elizabeth said:
What is a pair verb or adjective ? :?

what i mean by a pair adjective is one adjective from na-adjectives and one adjective from i-adjectives that have the same/similar meaning, like 易しい／簡単 or 詰まらない／退屈. is there any general difference?

similarly, for pair verbs, it is one verb from grp 1 or 2, and an event-noun verb(~する), like 水泳する／泳ぐ. is there any general difference?

and still, no one have answered my original question. it's:
(noun)のほうが~
(verb)ほうが~
what about adjectives/others? is there a の before ほうが?

Damicci · 4 Dec 2006

Elizabeth said:
欲しいのはあなただけです。愛してるのはあなただけ is the most direct way I would choose to communicate 'I love only you' or 'You are the only one I love'.
しか feels like it is 'only' in the sense of being either minimal (negligable) in number OR an insufficient or inadequate amount of something. あなたしかいない implies almost the opposite of love to me -- the fact that you are own your own because there is no one but you in existence at a particular place or time....I wish there would be another option, and more was expected, but in reality this is who I am stuck with for now.
I think it is only these clothes that are better ???

Yeah i know i honestly couldn't think of better uses. i guess that says i don't understand the usage very well..

tanhql · 5 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
what i mean by a pair adjective is one adjective from na-adjectives and one adjective from i-adjectives that have the same/similar meaning, like 易しい／簡単 or 詰まらない／退屈. is there any general difference?
similarly, for pair verbs, it is one verb from grp 1 or 2, and an event-noun verb(~する), like 水泳する／泳ぐ. is there any general difference?
and still, no one have answered my original question. it's:
(noun)のほうが~
(verb)ほうが~
what about adjectives/others? is there a の before ほうが?

誰が答えられますか。知ったら、答えてください。

Elizabeth · 5 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
誰が答えられますか。知ったら、答えてください。

Who can answer ? If you know, please answer この場合は、知ったら、答えてください。とりますが、日本語ではこういう表現はあまりしないと思います。

返事してもらう立場なのに、何か pushy, demanding のような印象相手に与えてしまうからですね。。。。

誰か（が）答えてくれませんか（いただきませんか？）のほうがよく使うと思いますよね。
分かりましたか？

undrentide · 5 Dec 2006

@Elizabeth san is right about the connotation of 誰が答えられますか, which is translated "who can answer!"
If you meant "anyone", then 誰か答えられますか would be better, yet as Japanese it does not sound really natural.
誰が and 誰か looks very similar, むずかしいですね。

You can also say
誰か答えてくれませんか。
どなたか答えてくださいませんか。 (politer)

がんばってね。

tanhql · 5 Dec 2006

i cannot post anything less than 20 characters ... and 誰か答えてくれませんか is less than 20 characters. btw, can does anyone know the differences?

Elizabeth · 5 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
i cannot post anything less than 20 characters ... and 誰か答えてくれませんか is less than 20 characters.

でも、「すみません。。。、どうもありがとう」という言葉を加えるととても自然な文になってしまいますよ。

undrentide · 5 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
i cannot post anything less than 20 characters ... and 誰か答えてくれませんか is less than 20 characters. btw, can does anyone know the differences?

Typical "greetings" you may add at the end of a request is
よろしくお願いします。
If it is not enough in counting wise, you can use politer one;
よろしくお願いいたします。
どうぞよろしくお願いいたします。

tanhql · 5 Dec 2006

ok, no offence, but so many people replied, including a japanese native, but none can answer my simple question(s)?

and what i mean by a pair adjective is one adjective from na-adjectives and one adjective from i-adjectives that have the same/similar meaning, like 易しい／簡単 or 詰まらない／退屈. is there any general difference?

similarly, for pair verbs, it is one verb from grp 1 or 2, and an event-noun verb(~する), like 水泳する／泳ぐ. is there any general difference?

and still, no one have answered my original question. it's:
(noun)のほうが~
(verb)ほうが~
what about adjectives/others? is there a の before ほうが?

Damicci · 5 Dec 2006

きれいのほうがいいと思う
I think beauty is better.

undrentide · 5 Dec 2006

tanhql said:
ok, no offense, but so many people replied, including a japanese native, but none can answer my simple question(s)?
and what i mean by a pair adjective is one adjective from na-adjectives and one adjective from i-adjectives that have the same/similar meaning, like 易しい／簡単 or 詰まらない／退屈. is there any general difference?

...that means the question is not so simple as you think.
Many members are willing to help, but do not always have enough time to take trouble.

易しい/簡単
詰まらない/退屈

The former is i-adjective while the latter is noun/na-adjective.
This is the main difference.
Each pair have almost the same meaning. Not significant difference in meaning between the two words.
And I cannot tell "why". Most likely the latter ones (kanji compound) were originally imported from China along with kanji.
That's all I can think of right now.

tanhql said:
similarly, for pair verbs, it is one verb from grp 1 or 2, and an event-noun verb(~する), like 水泳する／泳ぐ. is there any general difference?

We don't say 水泳する by the way.
I don't see much difference in meaning between 働く and 仕事する (though it is more common to say 仕事をする）. In english both means "to work".
仕事をする could mean something different, but it is something particular to the word 仕事, not something common for other verb and noun＋する pair.

tanhql said:
and still, no one have answered my original question. it's:
(noun)のほうが~
(verb)ほうが~
what about adjectives/others? is there a の before ほうが?

No.
Adjective (dictionary form) + ほうが

e.g.
小さい方がほしい I want the small one
きれいな方が有利だ Being clean/clean one is more advantageous

Damicci said:
きれいのほうがいいと思う
I think beauty is better.

Damicci san, when using adjective (both i-adjective/na-adjective), you do not use の before ほうが.

Damicci · 7 Dec 2006

I was just testing ya....yeah thats it testing......

qianyuxuan · 7 Dec 2006

undrentide said:
...that means the question is not so simple as you think.
Many members are willling to help, but do not always have enough time to take trouble.
易しい/簡単
詰まらない/退屈
The former is i-adjective while the latter is noun/na-adjective.
This is the main difference.
Each pair have almost the same meaning. Not significant difference in meaning between the two words.
And I cannot tell "why". Most likely the latter ones (kanji compound) were originally imported from China along with kanji.
That's all I can think of right now.
We don't say 水泳する by the way.
I don't see much difference in meaning between 働く and 仕事する (though it is more common to say 仕事をする）. In english both means "to work".
仕事をする could mean something different, but it is something particular to the word 仕事, not something common for other verb and noun＋する pair.
No.
Adjective (dictionary form) + ほうが
e.g.
小さい方がほしい I want the small one
きれいな方が有利だ Being clean/clean one is more advantageous
Damicci san, when using adjective (both i-adjective/na-adjective), you do not use の before ほうが.

@undrentide , i think you are very kind and patient

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