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derick78b · 14 Jan 2012

Hello,

I'm having a trouble.

過去の歴史的な出来事を記したと思われる壁画を発見.

My translation was: "The previous traditional events written......discovery of the mural."

I really can't get through this "word". Some dictionaries say it is "be considered, be deemed, thought to be", others say it is "to seem, to appear" (removing the TO). But the point is, I'm very confused about it.

Could you please, help me? Thank you all.

Toritoribe · 15 Jan 2012

the mural that is considered to describe~
the mural that seems to describe~

Are you confused still?

Andromedashun · 15 Jan 2012

To omowareru here is think (passive) I think.

derick78b · 15 Jan 2012

I still don't know the translation properly.

My guess is: "The mural that is considered to describe the previous tradicional events."

But the 発見 is not used and it's confusing since the end of the sentence is actually the begining of it.

Is this phrase confusing or am I too dumb?

Thank you very much.

Toritoribe · 15 Jan 2012

You need to pay attention to を. 壁画を発見 suggests this 発見 is a verb. It's not a phrase, but a shortened sentence that is often used as a headline or in newspaper.

derick78b · 15 Jan 2012

Toritoribe said:
You need to pay attention to を. 壁画を発見 suggests this 発見 is a verb. It's not a phrase, but a shortened sentence that is often used as a headline or in newspaper.

発見 a verb? NOW I'm confused!

I saw it was weird but since I'm a beginner I didn't think it was wrong, mainly because I took it from a newspaper.

If 発見 is a verb, then the sentence makes sense to me.

Thanks

derick78b · 20 Jan 2012

I'm still confused. What's the translation then?

Toritoribe · 20 Jan 2012

derick78b said:
if 発見 is a verb, then the sentence makes sense to me.

derick78b said:
i'm still confused. What's the translation then?

壁画を発見した。

derick78b · 20 Jan 2012

Toritoribe said:
壁画を発見した。

So, it can be omited? I mean, the する part?
I found this sentence in a website about games, but I think it's a very famous website, so, is it a mistake or is it common?

Toritoribe · 20 Jan 2012

Toritoribe said:
It's not a phrase, but a shortened sentence that is often used as a headline or in newspaper.

Quite common, as I wrote.

derick78b · 23 Jan 2012

Toritoribe said:
Quite common, as I wrote.

Thank you very much.

"The mural that is considered to describe the ancient (old) historical events was found (discovered)."

Am I right?

Thank you very much,

Toritoribe · 23 Jan 2012

Strictly speaking, it's not the passive 壁画が発見（された） but 壁画を発見（した）, so the translation is "(the subject given by the context) discovered the mural~".

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