おかげで,being used in a negative context? [てしまう]

[Kraise]

This one got me dizzy.


1 - 毎日忙しく過ごしているおかげで、申し込みのひが過ぎ てしまった

Am I wrong or is this sentence saying that "due to being busy everyday, he has missed the day of the application" ?

If this is the case, why is "okagede" being used here? I go this one in 「日本語能力試験予想問題集 N2」


also

2 - 電気工事にともない、午前2時から4時まで停電いたしま す

What does this "ともない" mean? Or, what does the 電気工事 has to do with the 2 hours of power outage? And why いたします.

Is it a message from an electricity company informing that due to the 工事, they will suspend energy for 2 hours?


Thank you guys

 

[Mike Cash]

Consider the kanji for お陰. Under/in the shadow of something, hence under its influence or as a result of it.

ともない is the noun form of 伴うand is a useful word to know. It refers to something proceeding along with or in parallel to something else.

Electricians the world over would rather not work on live circuits, so they shut them off. いたす is a humble form of する and the only people who have the ability to intentionally effect a停電 are the electric company (who else could combine 停電 with する/いたす?) so from these clues it is obviously the electric company addressing its customers.

 

[Andromedashun]

1. What do you think ''okagede'' means? It has two opposite meanings. Think about english ''thanks to...''

 

[Kraise]

I was taught to believe that "おかげで" is used to refer to "good" outcomes only, with "せいで" being its "反対語".

But it was such a comprehensive response, thank you Mike, you really know a lot about japanese.
Hope I can be anywhere near that good

 

[Mike Cash]

おかげで,being used in a negative context? [てしまう]

I think せい carries a bit of a connotation of the adversity being intentionally or wantonly caused by the other party, but I may be entirely mistaken about that. At any rate, it certainly sounds more like griping or laying blame elsewhere (言い訳) while お陰で sounds more like a simple 状況説明. Japanese society appreciates 状況説明 while having little tolerance for 言い訳, and unfortunately it is sometimes hard to know when you're about to stumble from one into the other.

 

[Toritoribe]

1)

お‐かげ【御蔭／御陰】
２ ある物事がもたらす結果。また、他から受けるよくない影響。「熟睡した―で気分がいい」「長雨の―で作物はさんざんだ」

おかげ【御蔭／御陰】の意味 - 国語辞書 - goo辞書

This is a sarcastic usage of おかげで. You can use せいで instead, of course.

2)

ともなう【伴う】
1 〔付随する〕
登山は多くの危険を伴う
Mountain climbing involves many risks.
その事業には大きな困難が伴った
((文)) The undertaking was attended with much difficulty.
雨はひどい風を伴った
The rain was accompanied by a high wind.
権利には責任が伴う
Rights and responsibilities go hand in hand.
少子化に伴って大学志願者が減った
With the drop of the birthrate, the number of college applicants has decreased.

ともなう【伴う】の英語・英訳 - 和英辞書 - goo辞書

ともない indeed is the noun form(ren'yō-kei / the -masu stem / the i form), but that's the continuous usage of it, as same as the -te form (電気工事にともなって).

 

[Mike Cash]

I think the problem with ともない is that if you've never seen it before it can look like two particles and a verb: と も ない

Especially if you're just beginning to encounter double particles.

 

[Toritoribe]

Ah, I see. It should have been written in kanji, I think.

 

[Kraise]

I think the problem with ともない is that if you've never seen it before it can look like two particles and a verb: と も ない

Especially if you're just beginning to encounter double particles.

This is definitely the issue here, i thought it was [tomo + nai] XD