Japanese opinions of other races

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I have read in several places that the Japanese tend to be xenophobic and that some even wish that all foreigners would leave the country (of course, they don't vocalize these opinions). However, the Japanese must view each nationality in a different way. For example, I've heard that they look up to the French as a pinnacle of culture and that when it comes to other Asian countries, the Japanese tend to look down on them.

Of course, these stereotypes aren't universal throughout Japan, but I wanted to know how they view other nationalities/races. I've heard several different stories about Americans/Canadians in Japan. But especially as someone who is American born Taiwanese, I wonder what they would think of me.
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This is a VERY interesting topic in my opinion. I did see a tendency that some Japanese people tended to look down on Chinese and Koreans as lower, but even my exposure to this was rather limited.
 
Basically, that is a hard question to answer. I will say you will be treated less like a foreigner by people who don't know you, (which of course can be good and bad). Sometimes when I go hang out with my Chinese-Canadian friend Japanese people will comment on how good his English is.
 
This is a VERY interesting topic in my opinion. I did see a tendency that some Japanese people tended to look down on Chinese and Koreans as lower, but even my exposure to this was rather limited.
Chinese and Koreans aren't "other races." And frankly it's silly for the Japanese to continue looking down on them. I've been to all three countries plus Taiwan, and it's really a wash between them. They all feel pretty similar.

The biggest collection of art in the Tokyo National Museum is Chinese.
 
I have read in several places that the Japanese tend to be xenophobic and that some even wish that all foreigners would leave the country (of course, they don't vocalize these opinions).
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He/she must be a good magician to read someone's mind.
Your next step would tell us what you really read or bring the websites here.

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I don't know which passport you will bring here, Taiwanese or American one, but the long-lasting effort by Taiwanese residents enabled you to find Taiwan in the new resident card.
 
an indian said..

interesting
This guy is full of himself and clearly isn't familiar with Korea and China, aside from quoting a few second hand opinions. The main difference among the three countries is socioeconomic and has little to do with culture. If you look at the middle class locals in Shanghai and Beijing, they behave very similar to the Japanese. The problem is when you go to these cities, you also mistake the poor migrants there for the locals. This is especially true for China, but in due time the migrants will assimilate and rise socioeconomically.

Secondly, it's a lot easier to develop a country when a huge portion of your population lives in one urban area. It's called agglomeration. That's why the entire area around Shanghai is pretty well off too. But China is huge, even if all of Shanghai area were developed, it would account for just 1% of population, while once Tokyo-Yokohama was developed, it accounted for 1/3 to 1/2 of the population. This is also why South Korea has been able to develop so quickly (1/2 of population live in and around Seoul).
 
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But China is huge, even if all of Shanghai area were developed, it would account for just 2% of population, while once Tokyo-Yokohama was developed, it accounted for 1/3 to 1/2 of the population. This is also why South Korea has been able to develop so quickly (1/2 of population live in and around Seoul).

so is Taiwan..
south korea is next to Japan. that is why..
http://www.time.com/time/asia/2005/journey/introduction.html
my small countryside city is also developed though there is a few skyscraper
how about manila?

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http://blog.163.com/azhinian/blog/static/11656237620096104543116/
do you need more?
 
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smart chinese said... [snip]
do you need more?
It just shows that Chinese people are at least honest enough to be self-critical of their country. Every Chinese I met in China knows China is poor and behind, but they are hopeful for the future. How about you though? What do you think of the rotting concrete jungle that is Japan? What do you think of Kyoto today as compared to the brochures? What do you think of rows and rows of middle aged Japanese men in suits in Pachinko parlors at 10:30 at night? What do you think of the education system in Japan? the sexism? What do you think about Japan's two decades recession? Maybe something is wrong?

Here's some food for thought: a Beijing taxi costs 10 yuan (US$1.30) for 3 km; a Tokyo taxi costs 720 yen (US$7.70) for 2 km. Subway fares in China are 2 to 5 yuan ($0.35-$0.60). How wealthy is Japan really when its prices are so inflated? If the Chinese government decided tomorrow to appreciate the yuan so that it's 1 yuan = 1 USD, would China's economy suddenly be 7 times bigger? Frankly, that's how Japan's GDP looks like.

independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japans-concrete-ceiling-792779.html
 
NY Times article excerpt about Japanese people in Shanghai and their opinions, and vice versa:

nytimes.com/2006/02/22/style/22iht-reast.html?pagewanted=1

Tokyo vs. Shanghai: A style standoff
by Kaori Shoji, NYT

There's no doubt about it, Shanghai is now the most exciting city in East Asia, usurping Tokyo's position as No. 1.

Says Kenta Mitsui, a 29-year-old photographer who moved from Tokyo two years ago: "I stand on a street corner back home and, well, it's just a street corner. In Shanghai, the streets are so vibrant, buzzing with energy, it's like the very air is reprimanding me for daring to just stand there. I should be working, going out, making tons of money, whatever, something, ANYTHING! That's the air you breathe in Shanghai."

Mitsui is one of a growing number of Japanese artists who have abandoned Tokyo and bypassed New York and Paris to put their money on Shanghai.

"In eight more years,"Mitsui predicts, "Shanghai will have outdone Tokyo in everything from fashion to music to art, and let's not even discuss architecture."

While that still remains to be seen, it's true that Tokyo's fashion and design industries can no longer afford to turn a blind eye to Shanghai's colossal influence.

Mito Yokokawa, who had worked for a Japanese apparel company and now lives in Shanghai as a media consultant-interpreter, says: "I think the Japanese woman has a lot to learn from China, particularly a city like Shanghai, where the women are attractive, strong-minded and bursting with confidence. Before, Tokyo fashion had been a lot about blending influences from the catwalks of Paris and Milan into generic brands, but I have a feeling that will change."

Indeed, Japanese fashion magazines now routinely carry articles about Shanghainese methods of makeup and style while exhorting the nation's women to adopt Chinese traditional tips on beauty maintenance. (Apparently, it's the tea. Tea, tea, tea!)

Yokokawa says she never ceases to be amazed by the perfect skin textures andthe well-defined, statuesque physiques of Shanghai women as opposed to Japanese women, whose physiques tend to be flat and uninteresting. "And Chinese women are more energetic, vibrant, strident. As a Japanese living in this city, I'm always kept on my toes."

The Japanese textile manufacturer Itokinfeels the same way. While there's nothing new about a Japanese apparel company setting up in China, Itokin has taken the formula a step further to create its very own, Chinese- Japanese brand called Sujet. Scheduled to be started this month, Sujet is helmed by the Shanghainese designer Jonii Ma and Yuma Koshino, scion ofthe Koshino family - of the London- based designer Hiroko Koshino. It aims to create a clothing line that would match the tastes of urban, professional women in both Shanghai and Tokyo.

Ma, who speaks flawless Japanese and has been working in Tokyo for the past 10 years, says the time is ripe for just this sort of brand to hit the two cities.

"Asian fashion has always been about looking young, cute and desirable well into one's 30s," she said. "I think we're a little tired of that. Sujet targets working women in the crucial years between 28 and 38, when they're super- busy trying to balance work, family, marriage, childbearing ... and still continue to look and feel beautiful! I hope this brand will allow these women to feel pampered and privileged and, at the same time, empowered."

In the meantime, Itokin will have totaled its number of outlets across China to 350 during the year.
Ma, who herself is the epitome of East Asian chic (she favors her own creations combined with Viktor & Rolf), flew to Shanghai from Tokyo, with a staff comprising some of Japan's most prominent advertising talents. They were to decide on a model to represent Sujet, and an audition that promised the winner 450,000 yuan, or about $56,000, was held in the Shanghai Itokin building. The prize went to a local model called Jin Jin, who at 23 already owned two condos and looked upon modeling as a business venture.

"We're happy with the result," said Hideki Nakashima, the art directorwho was hired by Itokin to create Sujet's publicity stills. "Both the brand and Jin Jin speak of East Asia in the 21st century in a way that's beyond the prowess of the purely Japanese version. Frankly, I think we should see more of this sort of integration-collaboration going on."

Nakashima professed himself dazzled by the leaps-and-bounds progress of Shanghai, the general feeling of anything goes. "In Tokyo, the creator is hampered by red tape, laws written and unwritten, plus rigid codes of behavior. One doesn't feel that here."

The Shanghai architect Teng Kun Yen says, however, that the city still lags far behind Tokyo in terms of aesthetic design standards. Originally from Taiwan, he laments the fact that the Shanghainese are so willing to cut off all ties to history and tradition in the mad pursuit of wealth and ever larger commercial opportunities: "In such an environment ... true design cannot be nurtured."

Teng is a Japanese design fan. He bought his entire wardrobe from Issey Miyake and designed his staff's uniforms with concepts borrowed from Miyake's Pleats Please line. He is in the midst of converting a district of derelict factory sites into a space consisting of gallery, hotel, café, restaurant and boutiques that are at most, three stories high, with intricately precise details that he sees as a quintessential factor in Japanese design.

"Maybe Tokyo wants to learn from Shanghai ... but I think the feeling is mutual," he says. "Right now, there are signs that a creative dialogue is about to flourish between the two cities.
"And really, that's the most important thing, isn't it?"
 
Now, let me guess....
You are either Chinese or Korean!!
Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.

We call this narrow-mindedness and irony from where I'm from.
 
It just shows that Chinese people are at least honest enough to be self-critical of their country. Every Chinese I met in China knows China is poor and behind, but they are hopeful for the future. How about you though?


no one doesnt hope for future..
Japan was also poor, peaceful and ordering.
poor is nothing to do with shame or looking down in Japanese society.
I think the Japanese never look down for poor.

What do you think of the rotting concrete jungle that is Japan? What do you think of Kyoto today as compared to the brochures? What do you think of rows and rows of middle aged Japanese men in suits in Pachinko parlors at 10:30 at night? What do you think of the education system in Japan? the sexism? What do you think about Japan's two decades recession? Maybe something is wrong?

concrete jungle ?
if you dont like it, go to countryside to live..


Japanese mddle age..?
what did they do?

decades recession?
there is no etenity things


Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.

I am not tlaking about the surface of Japan
even 10years old kid could write his opinion in detail well
those are Just what the chinese think of Japan.
They know Japanese roots of mind that is different from the chinese more than you.
I think you should read Datsuaron of 100 years ago

so if you are a chinese or korean, you are *** unlike these blogger
 
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While I agree that there are certainly many aspects of the 3 countries cultures which overlap, I think it is quite a over-generalization to pass them off as triplets. The same can be said about western countries.

Turtle> you should know that there are some overly zealous posters on this form that get really uptight when anything about Japan is mentioned that does paint it as the perfect, sinless, unique gem of planet earth.
 
你承認日本與中國的國情不同,中國人口太多,土地太大
那麼為什麼要跟日本比呢
應該去和印度比一比,好嗎
反正我都無所謂!:?
 
I have read in several places that the Japanese tend to be xenophobic and that some even wish that all foreigners would leave the country (of course, they don't vocalize these opinions).

Let's get one thing straight: Everyone are racists. No ifs. No buts. Everyone.

That said, would you prefer Japanese people to hide their racist views or would you prefer them to be like the conservative Bible-Belt Americans of the South, ready to punch your lights out if you even go as far as to take a step towards them? Don't forget they have guns too.

However, the Japanese must view each nationality in a different way. For example, I've heard that they look up to the French as a pinnacle of culture and that when it comes to other Asian countries, the Japanese tend to look down on them.

That is both true, and I'd add Germany to go with the French.


Of course, these stereotypes aren't universal throughout Japan, but I wanted to know how they view other nationalities/races. I've heard several different stories about Americans/Canadians in Japan.

But especially as someone who is American born Taiwanese, I wonder what they would think of me.
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Taiwanese people tend to have a more positive view of Japan and the Japanese compared to Chinese and Korean.

Just don't go around shouting "APOLOGIZE FOR NANKING YOU JAPANESE BARBARIANS!" and I think you'll do fine.

It just shows that Chinese people are at least honest enough to be self-critical of their country.
Now this is a very funny comment! Considering China is the land of immense censorship and criticizing the government is reason enough for arrest.
Here's some food for thought: a Beijing taxi costs 10 yuan (US$1.30) for 3 km; a Tokyo taxi costs 720 yen (US$7.70) for 2 km. Subway fares in China are 2 to 5 yuan ($0.35-$0.60). How wealthy is Japan really when its prices are so inflated?
I don't think is a very good way of comparing two countries to say the least.
Sure, transport costs may be less in China, but life involves more than just transport and if I had a choice between living in China or living in Japan, I sure as heck would know which one I'd rather choose, cheap transport or not.
And for that matter, Japanese transport costs isn't that high anyway considering the Japanese train system is probably the highest quality and the envy of the rest of the world.

Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.

We call this narrow-mindedness and irony from where I'm from.

I can't speak for anyone else, but based on my experiences, most people in terms of numbers, who criticize Japan ARE Chinese and Korean so based on probabilities, it is not unreasonable to assume you are one of them two.

Interestingly enough, the 2nd most vocal anti-Japan group are ex-pats and foreigners-turned-Japanese-citizens. Makes me wonder why they even bother moving to Japan if they hate it so much.

The 3rd most vocal anti-Japan groups include the usual Australian anti-whalers, Americans still holding WW2 grudges (much like China) etc...
 
Chinese and Koreans aren't "other races." And frankly it's silly for the Japanese to continue looking down on them. I've been to all three countries plus Taiwan, and it's really a wash between them. They all feel pretty similar.

1) "Race" is a very vague term just by itself. I've met many anthropologists who don't even consider "race" a real categorization worthy of comment. Where the line of race is drawn is extremely subjective.

2) I have also been to Japan, China, Korea, and Taiwan over a period of 2 years of study in Asia. Calling them "pretty similar" is downright shocking to me. You either spent very little time in each country or made a very limited effort to truly examine them and communicate.

Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.

We call this narrow-mindedness and irony from where I'm from.

I'll agree with you here 100% though...
 
Originally Posted by turtle
Because clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean. And anyone who has been to China and can compare must be Chinese.

We call this narrow-mindedness and irony from where I'm from.
I'll agree with you here 100% though...

BTW
about what can korea and china critisize Japan?
about Nanking and invasion?
The other is basically off the subject.The Japanese is not interested at all.
no Japanese would think they try to critisize Japan except these..because There is no reason said by them.
why do you know "clearly anyone who criticizes Japan must be Chinese or Korean"
 
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