SEX!!!

[Emoni]

(Note: This is a pretty risky topic, but I also consider it a very important and major on related to Japanese culture. It has come up on the board before in various ways, but I wanted to address the issue more directly and in a mature manner. (And I do stress the word mature here people). I understand that this is probably a very borderline topic, and while I'm going to do my best to keep it from being X rated or anything I'll leave the final judgment to the moderators.)

Sex, it's the inevitable issue that will pop up in Japan no matter where you go and for whatever reason. I'm not talking views of the act itself in Japan, but also the way it is portrayed in society and Japanese culture. You're going to see it referenced if you want to or not in Japan. From news paper ads, manga, movies, advertisements, soap lands, and who knows what else you might see walking down the street in Tokyo.

Japan tends to be passively direct about the subject. It will pop up all over on the outside in certain areas, but not really discussed unless behind doors. I've seen people shudder at any sign of it, I've seen people giggle. I've seen a 20 something housewife walk down the street with her bicycle caring a large box with a home-version of a stripping pole right through my neighborhood. If there is one thing I've learned, no matter what subject, everyone's view and behavior about it is going to be different. Sex is no different, and to generalize about Japan as a whole TOO much can leave a very warped and misinformed version.

Recently, I saw this section of a BBC documentary on sex in Japan. (May contain some mild nudity)

BBC Sex in Japan


Clearly there is a great deal of shock value in a documentary like this. The portrayal of Japan's over all opinion by the BBC is generalized, and in my opinion somewhat dangerous. Yes, things like this exist, even more crazy stuff exists than is in this documentary. However, one thing that does not show up in the documentary is an attempt to put this in to context or go into details. It is a short 8 minute "OMG!" lesson.

Personally, I'm for direct discussion of the topic. I see a great deal of good in the more direct presentation that exists in Japan to an extent, yet still there remains a great deal of ignorance on the subject. Superstition, misinformation, lack of sex education, casual sex abound without consideration to relationships, it exists in any culture, but without going into too much detail, from those I have spoken with on the subject I am consistently concerned about the LACK of knowledge on the subject of sex despite its prevalence in Japan. Especially in regards to birth control, disease, and expectations in a relationship. While focusing mostly on Japan in this regard, I do want to point out that in East Asia this problem seems to exists to even a higher degree.

Moreover, you end up with the darker side of sex as well. Enslaved prostitution, underage sexual abuse, and rape. Super Free is one of the best examples and shows to what extent things can grow to. Rape fantasies and Lolita complexes abound is one image that Japanese men have been stamped. To expand further is to go into the role of women and how they are viewed in society, but how women are effected by Japan's view of sex can be almost an entire accademic major in and of itself.

Waseda's Gang Rape Circle

(Not sure why this is not working this is the direct link: )

In many ways you will find sex for sale (despite prostitution TECHNICALLY being illegal in Japan). From host bars, magazines, arranged dating, you name it. An interesting special about the male host situation, albeit depressing, is this section of The Great Happiness Space. Sorry wasn't sure how to embed this MilkandCookies

With this almost overwhelming image that is exuded from Japan about "their attitude" about sex, it is easy to become entirely lost and quickly form the stereotype that all Japanese share some hidden life that no one sees, that any one could be a prostitute or have been at some time in their life. Generalizations running wild ultimately can be more dangerous than the subjects themselves, leading to prejudice and outright racism.

So, my question is this: Without getting too personal, what are your thoughts, experiences, stories, and views on the issue of sex in Japan and Japanese society? I have spoken with researchers on the subject in the past but I was very curious what members of this board think, especial those with long terms in the country.

 

[Glenski]

Pretty broad question, Emoni, as usual. "The issue of sex". How about pinning it down a bit?

Prostitution?
Enjokosai?
Homosexuality?
Japanese & Japanese partners?
Japanese & foreign partners?
AIDS?
Contraception?
Freedom?
Loose women?
Chikan?
Love hotels?
Loss of sex after marriage?
Lovers vs. wives?
Just what "issue" of sex do you want to discuss?


And, again, I have to ask moderators why this thread cannot be placed in the Serious Discussions forum, especially with Emoni's prologue?

 

[Emoni]

While it is a broad issue, I thought I stated it fairly clearly... say what you will and feel free to pin down what you feel is an important aspect or you are knowledgeable about. I'm not going to start 15 separate topics related to EVERY aspect of views of sex in Japan. If you need me to give a place to start, then please consider this in the context of defining Japan's over all view of sex and its existence in Japanese society.

So, my question is this: Without getting too personal, what are your thoughts, experiences, stories, and views on the issue of sex in Japan and Japanese society?

As for this being in Serious Discussion, I don't see how that is related at all. Maybe if I was talking about the issue of sex in general, but this is specifically relate to Japan and Japanese society. Thus, it is in the Japan section of the Japan Reference forum. Every single topic that is remotely deemed as "serious" can't be just tossed in that section.

Anyway, instead of running straight to a moderator, why not add to the subject of the thread instead? I'm sure they with make their judgment without the usual direct contact from you calling them... again

 

[Glenski]

overall view of sex
Japanese society
You don't think those are too broad terms? Well, we already disagree.

As for not understanding how this could fit into the Serious Discussion thread, I'm at a loss, especially after an opening remark like this:

This is a pretty risky topic, but I also consider it a very important and major on related to Japanese culture. It has come up on the board before in various ways, but I wanted to address the issue more directly and in a mature manner. (And I do stress the word mature here

Carry on.

Oh, and I'm not running to a moderator, but even if I did, that's within my prerogative as a mature poster. I merely asked a question.

You want me to contribute? I'm still waiting for a more specific issue, otherwise your "topic" is all over the board. Where to start?

1. Japanese girls are easy. No, not always. What is meant by "girls" anyway? Age group.
2. Japanese people think nothing of extramarital affairs because Japan is a non-Christian nation. No, not always, besides about 10% of the country is Christian.
3. Japanese wives stop giving out sex after marriage. Maybe for some, not for all.
4. Japanese women like a whole lot of sex and in as many positions as they can get. Case by case.
5. Japanese penises are smaller than other nationalities'. Do some research to show this.
6. Japanese men prefer X type of sex instead of Y type. Again, show me the data.
7. Japanese sex is more perverted than in country X. Show me the data.
8. Japanese manga are full of sex or sexy pictures and rape scenes. Tell us something new.
9. Abortions run rampant here because of the non-Christian element or because it's a big business. Yeah. And...?
10. Viagra took less time to be approved than the pill. So?

Emoni,
Why don't you explain why this topic is so interesting to you in the first place? Perhaps that would help focus the "discussion". What got you thinking about it?

 

[Emoni]

You're a very smart guy Glenski, I don't think you need me to explain which aspect to respond to. Yes, it is a big topic. The simplest way to respond would to be just take an issue I mentioned, such as the comment about the "passively direct nature" in the way sex is portrayed in Japan, or even comment on one of the videos. My post was simply a quick summary of the issue (a very large one at that) but mostly to focus on the general "Japanese view towards sex" in-line with the video link I posted to support the thread and mostly centered it around.

As for why I posted this; during my time in Japan I met and talked quite a bit with with a few people who researched the topic fairly extensively, I also overheard Japanese in the dorms talking on the subject, spoke with a few others about what they knew on the subject, and generally ran into various examples of "the Japanese view of sex" in Japan from time to time. Recently, I found the two links, the BBC documentary and the url on the Gang Rape club at Waseda.

 

[bakaKanadajin]

I think most people have normal sex in Japan. They have sex when they can (Japanese people are busy) and with as many partners as their morals or personal situation will permit them to (people are shy, married, etc., but as their situation permits they are still human and will try to get laid won't they?) I don't think by and large it's a huge deal.

But beyond that, the dark side, the thing perhaps we're really trying to figure out...and the thing that the BBC documentary alludes to...

I think this stems from the severely repressive and closed discussion on mental illness, sex itself, and from tatemae, all these things. The further underground you drive sexual outlet and the more detached people are from just having normal sex, whether that's due to their busy schedules, interpersonal failure, or a lack of information, the more varied people will become in how they choose to exhibit and deal with their sex drive and repressed inhibitions.

Then there's a flipside to all this, which is that provided you have a suitable forum or perhaps within the borders of a relationship, Japanese people (Japanese females anyway, in my experience, dunno about the males) are very open about sex and treat it quite frankly. When you have a well-adjusted, down to earth person, there's a lot less inhibition and a lot more 'this is what it is, why fret over it'-ness, I've found.

 

[Ashikaga]

As for why I posted this; during my time in Japan I met and talked quite a bit with with a few people who researched the topic fairly extensively, I also overheard Japanese in the dorms talking on the subject, spoke with a few others about what they knew on the subject, and generally ran into various examples of "the Japanese view of sex" in Japan from time to time. Recently, I found the two links, the BBC documentary and the url on the Gang Rape club at Waseda.

I do not see anything that is unique to Japan in the things you mentioned. Prostitution, Sexual Perversions, Unplanned/Unwanted pregnancies.... We could be talking about any country.

Also, since you are very much interested in this subject, I would like to hear what those people you have talked to who have "researched the subject extensively" have said and what you "overheard" in the dorms than watching a BBC clip.

By the way, what was the reason/s those people you mentioned were doing extensive researches on this?

Also, you mentioned that you saw a housewife on a bicycle carrying a home-made strip pole..... I mean.... how did you know whatever she was carrying was a strip pole? Can you draw a picture of this device?

 

[Glenski]

You're a very smart guy Glenski, I don't think you need me to explain which aspect to respond to. Yes, it is a big topic. (snip)

As for why I posted this; during my time in Japan I met and talked quite a bit with with a few people who researched the topic fairly extensively, I also overheard Japanese in the dorms talking on the subject, spoke with a few others about what they knew on the subject, and generally ran into various examples of "the Japanese view of sex" in Japan from time to time.

So, it seems that you are the expert here, not me.

Or as Ashikaga wrote:

Also, since you are very much interested in this subject, I would like to hear what those people you have talked to who have "researched the subject extensively" have said and what you "overheard" in the dorms than watching a BBC clip.

By the way, what was the reason/s those people you mentioned were doing extensive researches on this?

 

[Emoni]

It seems you are a bit "on the defense" maybe Ashikaga... by no means is this post an attack on Japan. As I pointed out I do consider the forwardness a good thing, but there is never ONLY good in regards to something and that is true anywhere around the world. Bakanagaijin pointed out the forward nature as a generality having clear positive aspects. Furthermore, I'm not saying Japan is profoundly unique or exclusive around the world in regards to sex. There are all sorts of practices and behavior around the world that is shared with Japan as well, however Japan and East Asia is my area of study and the focus of the forum so that is what I'm focusing on.

Also, you mentioned that you saw a housewife on a bicycle carrying a home-made strip pole..... I mean.... how did you know whatever she was carrying was a strip pole? Can you draw a picture of this device?

Well, it was a brand new fairly long box with a blond stripper on the front holding on to a pole with the words in English "Home Stripper's Pole" on it. So...

As for who I was talking about and what was said, it was multiple conversation with either teachers or graduate students in gender studies each with different focuses of study. Sometimes the topic was how details of the arranged dating system, how the books and advertising worked, the purpose of certain clubs or general views on birth control or sex. There was no one topic or grand statement that I'm connecting this thread too. I'm mostly basing this around the main BBC video you could say. Also, I'm no expert on this hence the thread seeking more opinions and thoughts on the subject.

I do want to point out that I think Bakanagaijin's point about mental issues and the darker side being an important distinction is a very GOOD point on this topic.

 

[Glenski]

As for why I posted this; during my time in Japan I met and talked quite a bit with with a few people who researched the topic fairly extensively,

What areas of interest?

I also overheard Japanese in the dorms talking on the subject,

What part of "the subject" did you find most interesting?

spoke with a few others about what they knew on the subject

Again, what part, and what did you find most interesting or surprising? Who exactly did you talk to? Students? Women? HS girls?

generally ran into various examples of "the Japanese view of sex" in Japan from time to time.

And, just what in your opinion is that "Japanese view of sex"?

 

[undrentide]

Japan tends to be passively direct about the subject. It will pop up all over on the outside in certain areas, but not really discussed unless behind doors. I've seen people shudder at any sign of it, I've seen people giggle. I've seen a 20 something housewife walk down the street with her bicycle caring a large box with a home-version of a stripping pole right through my neighborhood. If there is one thing I've learned, no matter what subject, everyone's view and behavior about it is going to be different. Sex is no different, and to generalize about Japan as a whole TOO much can leave a very warped and misinformed version.

Also, you mentioned that you saw a housewife on a bicycle carrying a home-made strip pole..... I mean.... how did you know whatever she was carrying was a strip pole? Can you draw a picture of this device?

A Japanese housewife carrying a some kind of poles...?
What comes to my mind is a housewife carrying either a washing pole or an extention pole (which are very much common in Japanese household and both come in various size and shape) and that's all.

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Besides, I've never seen/heard of "stripping poles" in Japan (though I have to admit I'm not an expert on this kind of stuff!), except those appear in American films.

Emoi, are you sure it really was "a home-version of a stripping pole" the housewife you saw was carrying? To me it sounds like one of the "a very warped and misinformed" thing...

 

[Glenski]

Perhaps the housewife just had this in mind.
Pole dancing helps strip off pounds - CNN.com

 

[Emoni]

Emoi, are you sure it really was "a home-version of a stripping pole" the housewife you saw was carrying? To me it sounds like one of the "a very warped and misinformed" thing...

Absolutely 100% sure. I still wish I would have snapped a quick picture of it. I wasn't mistaking it for a cheap drying pole from koonan or anything. It was as I described it above. Was one of those moments you remember.

 

[undrentide]

Absolutely 100% sure. I still wish I would have snapped a quick picture of it. I wasn't mistaking it for a cheap drying pole from koonan or anything. It was as I described it above. Was one of those moments you remember.

Thank you for your confirmation, I missed your post at 10:50 which was posted when I was still writing my previous comments.
(Still I don't think it is something common or something one can expect to see when walking around in Japan... What I wanted to say is that it is risky to give misconception/disinformation to stating it as an example.)

 

[Emoni]

I see, I understand what you mean. I didn't mean to present it as something common. It was the only time I ever saw anything like that and it stuck in my mind as something fairly funny actually.

In fact, part of the point I wanted to stress while discussing the topic is that it is important not to take any generality and consider it as applicable to all in Japan or anywhere. That is one of the issues I had with the BBC documentary as it seemed to present everything in the documentary as absolutely EVERYWHERE and didn't really place it in context, maybe as it went on it did though.

 

[Charles Barkley]

One thing I found odd was when I was showed a magazine with the ads for all of the brothels in sendai and pictures of the girls working there. And the magazine was around 300 pages...for a city of Sendai's size, that seemed huge. Also, the guy who showed me the magazine rather casually pointed to 6 or so individuals who he had visited as a customer. Perhaps it was because I never had a simialr experience in the U.S., but I had trouble imagining a similar thing happening in a city like, I dunno, San Antonio.

Another experience that sticks out in my mind was when a teacher I taught with told me that one girl in her homeroom class (the class we were teaching then) wanted to start selling her body for money and was asking tips from another girl in the class who had already been doing it. This out of the 4 girls in that class. That was a sad moment, one that I don't think was born out of living in Japan, but rather out of teaching in a low-income, low-opportunity school. Perhaps the only thing that would be different in America would be there would be no homeroom teacher aware of the situation...

 

[TraceyD]

I have come to the conclusion that any country, not just Japan or the United States...have come to think that sex is different in the country they do not live in. Think about this...I make a mention to one of my friends that I like to read manga...i either get...oh so you're a porn freak or you like that you must be freaky in the sack (sorry guys ask my bf i'm not)...or isn't that a kids thing (ie pokemon etc...)

Everyone to an extent has an intrest in sex...be it what you consider "normal" or not.

As an american...yes i see the stereotypes saying that Japan is all about sex...but you also get that about the french, any middle eastern country, Brazillian, and Dutch cultures too...and I don't think its any different from any other culture...I'm sure out there somewhere ppl think ooo you're american you gotta be kinky

Sex is sex...we all do it (ok most of us besides nuns) so get over it (yes i'm very blunt and to the point)

 

[Emoni]

One thing I found odd was when I was showed a magazine with the ads for all of the brothels in sendai and pictures of the girls working there. And the magazine was around 300 pages...for a city of Sendai's size, that seemed huge.

You're not the only one who was surprised by this. The situation of the girl in your class matches up with a survey I was shown by one of the research student about the shear high number of Japanese students who have had sex by a fairly young age. I wish I could remember the numbers, but it was well over 50% and I believe it even beat out the United States (which seems hard to believe, so I'm not taking the study as absolute fact of course).

I have come to the conclusion that any country, not just Japan or the United States...have come to think that sex is different in the country they do not live in. Think about this...I make a mention to one of my friends that I like to read manga...i either get...oh so you're a porn freak or you like that you must be freaky in the sack (sorry guys ask my bf i'm not)...or isn't that a kids thing (ie pokemon etc...)

What have you based this conclusion on? Have you ever been to Japan? Japanese views about sex do NOT seem the same as any country in the world at all. Moreover, why would we know your bf or have to ask him, and who ever said manga = weird sex practices?! I'm pretty lost by some of the things you are stating here.

 

[Ashikaga]

You're not the only one who was surprised by this. The situation of the girl in your class matches up with a survey I was shown by one of the research student about the shear high number of Japanese students who have had sex by a fairly young age. I wish I could remember the numbers, but it was well over 50% and I believe it even beat out the United States (which seems hard to believe, so I'm not taking the study as absolute fact of course).

Nor am I.

Japanese views about sex do NOT seem the same as any country in the world at all.

What has given you this impression other than what you have heard from some people, a BBC documentary, some study that you don't necessarily trust and my mother on her bike carrying a stripping pole?

Moreover, why would we know your bf or have to ask him, and who ever said manga = weird sex practices?! I'm pretty lost by some of the things you are stating here.

Tracey is talking about the MISconceptions about certain things like manga/anime, which in some people's minds, are all about perverted hentai sex. I have seen/read stuff on the internet about the whole Doujinshi community and its cyber-equivalent based not only in Japan but all over the world including the US, so I am not that surprised by that misconception.

I agree with Glenski when he said this is too broad a subject. If it is Enjo-Kousai or young teens having sex that we are discussing here, the thread title should reflect that (and I am pretty sure there have been previous threads for those issues already but I'm not 100% sure).

 

[theAlphaDuck]

WELL THIS IS MY AREA OF EXPERTISE....

but it is an iceberg of a topic.

firstly all i say is from personal experience...taken from my adventures with countless Japanese Girls....i draw no judgement or conclutions...


i only tell it like it is:

1. the fantasy.

You know what it's like...you been poking some Japanese girl for a week or two... she's coming to the end of her run (novelty wearing off...new grass upon the horison ect.)
so i have the "what is your fantasy" talk with her...

she gets all shy...(as they all do)
but eventually she tells me what her fatasy is:
Being Raped!!
i was like OOOOO.KKKKKK

but hey try anything once that doesnt involve taking a hotdog where the sun don't shine...so...yea had that experience....felt just a liiiiiiitle bit wrong from my point of view...but she really enjoyed it....

after a while a ditched her...as you do....
few weeks later i'm at some party....talking the talk to two fine ladies (as you do) we get onto what languages we can speak and she mentions among others japanese...so i say
"he he he i can talk a bit of japanese...and drop a bit of my limited vocabluary..i.e. iku, kimutchii etc ..... she asks where i learnt that japanese and i mentioned this girl...

her first question was:
"did she have the rape fantasy?"
and her second question was
"did you do it?"

well i was kind of suprised by this sudden revelation...

she then said
"well from the look on your face she clearly did and you obvciosly have"
"but dont worry i was there for 8 months and they all have that fantasy...its normal"

2. new york taxi...

so i had this Japanese girl i had been shagging on and off intermitently for a few weeks....and i met a few of her friends.... one of whom was also kinda hot.... me being the guy that i was...shamelessly flirted with the new piece of candy, even while the other girl was there....
she pulled me up on it the next time we were doing the thang.....
"you like my friend huh"
"yea...she's hot...but don't worry, i'm not going get with your friend cos i know that might be a bit off key for you" (see i may have been a player but i was a considerate one)
to which she replied...
NO WORD OF A LIE
"don't worry, you never hear that japanese girl is like new york taxi?"
"eh what?"
"we are yellow, easy to get into, and we don't mind if you ride a different one everyday"

now this came as a bit of a suprise...and sure enough her friend was very hot aswell

3. Regarding Infidelity

now i dont want to get people into trouble so im gonna keep the detail non existant here...
but ive YET to meet a Japanese girl that doesnt put out despite having a Boyfriend...tell a lie i've met one! (and that was only cos she was going out with me...so mebe i just got chumped and didnt know it )

but yea....sometimes even totally deicated boyfriends and husbands.....and they didn't give a ****... like most girls feel a bit guilty....but not them...

once again skimming on details...

i once had one girl in my house, making me a cake, and shagging me etc. while her longterm boyfriend was off on a Truly long mission on her behalf...

that made me feel guilty...but not her!!!

4 eager to please

i found that they very much apretiate it when the guy takes the lead...and they will do anything for you!!

however alot are into the whole humiliation/mild s&m thing...
they also seem to have a high level of interest almost universally in crazy sex culture....

5. Japanese Guy's

well there nice chaps....but sadly 9 out of 10 are completely GAMELESS!
the 1 in 10 that does have game tho are quite dangerous!

and talking candedly with them...they like thier girls SKINNY!!
as in body of a 12 year old girl skinny....yea i can see the apeal.... but me i prefer a bit of breastage...

anyway..those are SOME of my experiences with japanese girls...there are many more, and i'm alway's happy to share....

i hope this helps

 

[Jericho Desu]

theAlphaDuck: .....

Anyway even though I have no experience of this kind in Japan and that this is a pretty broad topic, my opinion is that this discussion is pretty stupid. The reason why I say this is because every country has odd or strange fentishes when you dwelve deep enough and they usually end up crossing over with other countries. For example the whole 'school girl' thing and the fact theres a whole industry about that in Japan, as if there isn't one in the US or UK? (Cheerleaders or Catholic School girls anyone?)

As for those who cheat on their boyfriends/husbands to make money as prostitutes, again this is something only the Japanese do? You can tell all the stories you want about what kind of fantasies men/woman have in Japan and I wouldn't be surprised if you hear the exact same thing in any other country. I think the fact that the Japanese in general always seem so 'mysterious' in the eyes of westeners and that they do things seemingly very different is what brings them so much attention when this kind of topic shows up, even though the results are no more unique then in any other country.

 

[Glenski]

You're not the only one who was surprised by this. The situation of the girl in your class matches up with a survey I was shown by one of the research student about the shear high number of Japanese students who have had sex by a fairly young age. I wish I could remember the numbers, but it was well over 50% and I believe it even beat out the United States (which seems hard to believe, so I'm not taking the study as absolute fact of course).

Two questions from this:

1) If you aren't going to cite the actual figures and ages, or provide some links we can all look at and judge for ourselves, why even bring this up?

2) If you don't take a study you cite here as serious, why bring it up?


Charles,
My best friend was driving through Nevada with his wife and got a strange expression on his face when he passed a certain ranch. He tried to explain to her (very prim and proper) that it was a whorehouse, and a famous one at that. She refused to believe him until he stopped at a phone booth and showed her the listings under "brothels". As for Saitama, never been there, but were the listings actually brothels, or a combination of those, soaplands, massage parlors, and other related sites?

Re: the girl wanting to sell her body for money
My own HS in Sapporo had a similar thing. Well, one that we KNEW of! The girl actually posted her image on the Internet on a dating site (for enjokosai) wearing her school uniform. Don't ask me how it was discovered! I don't know, but it certainly led to some discipline issues with her.

So, where is this "discussion" going? Most things cited can easily enough be compared to similar things in other countries (well, from our own experiences and common knowledge anyway, not from any official reports or documentation). The issue of sex in Japan. What was that again? Pardon me. I'll look at those two videos Emoni provided and see if there's anything there to respond to.

 

[theAlphaDuck]

ok i'm not talking about prostitution here...

and i'm not judging... i say simply SOME of what i have experienced.

and i think it IS a little deeper in Japan...

AS A MAN OF THE WORLD....

i have probably had more girls from more countries than everyone else on this board put together...and i will tell you this.

NO 2 COUNTRIES ARE THE SAME!!!

JAP girls like it when you throw them doen on the bed and take them...
Latino gerl will throw YOU onto the bed and will shag you senseless...
American girls....hallowed be thy head
Dutch.... open and direct
Sweedish...HOT and Open minded
French...Plenty of passion there
see also Italian....
Polish.... Hell YEA!! also makes AMerican Head (WHICH IS GOOD) seem like a dodgy handjob from a paraplegic cross dresser
German.... Thats some good buisness....good all rounders, plenty of GO
Thai....good buisness but be carefull
English.... good alround....can be proper filthy...in the best possible way!

etc. etc. time is what it is...

but i tell you now...

no 2 countires are the same...

so the thread and its general nature...VERY much on point

 

[Glenski]

BBC Doumentary. Sex in Japan.... yes, don't let the misspelling fool you. It's a real BBC production (or part thereof) from 2000.

I like this summary (from the land of the BBC, no less):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,4047495-103689,00.html

But we are swiftly back on familiar ground with Sex In Japan, a programme which shows its hand from the start by starting in Tokyo's red light district. Much as if a fair representation of what goes on in Britain's bedrooms could be found in the least gentrified corners of Soho, Sex In Japan informs us that the Japanese don't connect sex and guilt, do like schoolgirls, consider porn photographer Araki to be a "genius" and are experts at bondage. "Actually, the high level of Japanese bondage is a fair comment," Dobson reveals. "Japanese bondage is streets ahead of its international competitors and can be quite impressive - if you are a boy scout."

But although there is undoubtedly much for the seeker of sexual oddity to find in Japan, it covers the banal truth. "Clearly, like anywhere else," Dobson says, "the majority of sex in Japan goes on between consenting adult couples in long-term relationships."

And there is nothing here that hasn't been covered thoroughly in the western media, with a thin veneer of cultural superiority coating the voyeurism. Yet there are genuine popular culture phenomena in Japan that we don't hear about, and not just J-pop stars. Ringu (The Ring) is the Japanese equivalent of Scream or The Blair Witch Project, a deeply disturbing horror movie about an urban legend that comes true. Massively popular in Japan - and in movie-loving Hong Kong - it has spawned three sequels in as many years, as well as a TV series.

Needless to say, it doesn't get a mention on Japan TV.

JAP girls like it when you throw them doen on the bed and take them...

I'm only going to ask you politely once. Don't use that word "Jap" ever again here!

 

[Glenski]

Regarding the Waseda rape club video...
1) too little time with the lawyer
2) too little time with the Waseda gender studies group
3) too much fluff about the club itself
4) do a Google search on college sex videos, and you'll see plenty non-Japanese adventures that put this to shame (not for the faint of heart), and I'm not going to brush any incident off as mere hazing (which has been going on for decades everywhere)
5) similar incidents have taken place amid Navy ships, although on a small scale and the women were NOT consenting! American Navy women, not Japanese street girls
6) just what was the whole point of bringing up the rape club video? Want to talk about it? Talk, Emoni. Offer some opinion other than the pseudo-narrative you wrote as a lead-in.

With this almost overwhelming image that is exuded from Japan about "their attitude" about sex, it is easy to become entirely lost and quickly form the stereotype that all Japanese share some hidden life that no one sees, that any one could be a prostitute or have been at some time in their life.

True anywhere in the world.

Generalizations running wild ultimately can be more dangerous than the subjects themselves, leading to prejudice and outright racism.

Blatantly obvious, which led me to ask the first questions on this thread.

May I make at least one request, other than to answer my questions here? That would be this... try to show some information or videos (yuk) from the other side of the coin -- where the women are benefitting.
first video - most of it dealt with the male point of view
second video - Waseda rape club (nuff said)
third video - male hosts and helpless women who fall in love with them
It's a little one-sided here in terms of the "issue of Japanese sex". (Yes, I noted the few seconds of "reporting" about enjokosai, but that's all it was. nothing more. nothing about soaplands, hostess clubs, massage parlors, abortion (the "benefitting" is subjective), freeters and the Xmas cake girls that get older and older by choice, etc.

Whew! Topic overload. Where do we begin...? Didn't I say that?