Multicultral society

Multicultral society for or against

  • for

    Votes: 24 52.2%
  • against

    Votes: 12 26.1%
  • not sure/don't mind

    Votes: 10 21.7%

  • Total voters
    46
I don't look at it as a problem that Norway opened up their borders. I believe immigrants have enrichened the Norwegain culture with their presence.

It depends which ones. How much do you want of Congolese culture to enter your daily life ?

Call me naive. I think if you treat others with respect you will be respected back.

You probably have never lived in a place with a lot of Arab immigrants.

A mutual respect. If you don't give respect people will take that respect into their own hands. A good economy probably helps too to be able to have a stable society. Look at France. Out in the suburbs there are all these rioting going on. Alot of it has to do with high unimployement and a bad economy.

Do you think that the same Arab immigrants would be in employment if they moved to Norway ? Then you are naive. France has a high unemployment because it has a lot of lazy immigrants who don't want to work as long as they get minimum social security. The youth rioting in Paris has little to do with unemployment (most are under 18), but bad education from the parents and complete misadaptation to the host culture. If the parents are unemployed you would expect them to have more time to take care of their children. Hardly the case.
 
Norway has hardly any unimployement. We are talking about something like....2-3%..?
Its the wealthiest country in Europe and probably the easiest place in Europe to get a job. Oslo is farily multi cultural. It is not as multi cultural as Paris. I would assume it is somewhere in the middle in European terms.

Norway took in immigration from Pakistan, Middle East, North Africa, Turkey in the 60s. Pakistanis are tha largest non European minority.

You can reads about Oslo's trendy Pakistani hotspot.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Oslo's trendy Pakistani hotspot

Norway being a small country with a strong economy. Things are stable here. Things could change but I hope it stays like it is now.
 
Do you think that the same Arab immigrants would be in employment if they moved to Norway ? Then you are naive. France has a high unemployment because it has a lot of lazy immigrants who don't want to work as long as they get minimum social security. The youth rioting in Paris has little to do with unemployment (most are under 18), but bad education from the parents and complete misadaptation to the host culture. If the parents are unemployed you would expect them to have more time to take care of their children. Hardly the case.
Well that's a bit too black-and-white in my opinion. Although I am not certain about the situation in France, I can tell you about the situation in Holland.

The immigrants were brought here (many were officialy invited by the government through deals with the home countries) to work in the lower end of the economy. In the case of Holland, many were set to work in factories, mainly textiles and shipbuilding. The reason they needed the cheap labor was because these industries were protected by the government, either for national security reasons or through lobbies by the big men in the industry. In retrospect, it would have been better to outsource these activities to lower-wage countries like in Asia, but that was a pretty uncommon idea back then (the 60's and 70's).

But as time went by, these industries became unsustainable, and many companies went bankrupt, or outsourced their activities after all. The workers became jobless, and because of many disadvantageous reasons, they were unable to find work (lack of experience, lack of language skills, lack of education and discrimination). And so many landed in the social security circuit, living on a hand-out. Who would you blame here? I'd blame the government that was only after short-term benefits, protecting national industries through cheaper labor instead of upgrading its efficiency by investments in innovation and technology.

Sure, there were also a lot of trouble with the regularization of illegal immigrants and many were granted full citizenship without having the official right. Some have indeed come to the country to try and profit from the Dutch welfare state. However, it would be too easy to say that all these people are too lazy to work and just riot for fun. Many have come here with good intentions, but because of a lack of support and education facilities, many are stranded in a situation far from ideal. Far from ideal for Holland and its native population, but also for the immigrants themselves.
 
Nothing you can say about immigrants applies to every single one of them and anything you say applies just as well to some natives too. Sure, some immigrants come here (wherever here is) to exploit the benefit system, but a lot of natives exploit it too. I agree with Leonmarino - I seriously doubt anyone comes to the UK with the sole intention to cause trouble! They come here to improve their lives, and when that doesn't happen, they get dissatisfied. Which in a minority of cases might lead to 'trouble'.
 
Nothing you can say about immigrants applies to every single one of them and anything you say applies just as well to some natives too.
They come here to improve their lives, and when that doesn't happen, they get dissatisfied.

Plus the world is still trying to recover from the age of imperialism/colonialism,
but currently the US won't let it (I'm stretching this to post-WW2 to today and not being a fan of the old USSR, btw).

So no wonder people leave their homes to find a more peaceful and 'wealthy' place. People living in the outskirts of the empire are always more at risk of being shot or starving to death. While living in 'homeland' one is usually safer and relatively well fed.
 
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