USA the biggest threat to world peace.

[Hezam]

Goldiegirl : you must understand that we do'nt mean the american people

we mean the government only, as you know the government had killed many people around the world

it's the worse in the history .......

you must say the truth...........

best wishes ..

 

[Haruspex]

I'll put it simple. There are overlords, allies, neutral countries, resistances, and opposition. History in itself isn't evil, there is no such thing in history. You can slice out an aspect of history and brand it x y evil or whatever and still it will be pointless because its already behind, unchangeable, carved into stone. And let me add: America being labeled the worse thing in history is a joke in itself. If you run through a more or less objective history book you'll understand that compared to many reigns and regimes America is the pigeon of peace and harmony. Even today. Not that America isn't guilty in anything, but everything what it does is justified if you shake off your views of wrong, right, black white and look at the matter with the eyes of the cold historian or politician. Please see through these eyes that worse things have happened in the past, and worse things will happen in the future. Please be a bit more humble towards time, and don't try to draw the status quo, the momentary present as the absolute present, and America as the one and only problem humanity is facing right now. America has nothing to confess, he has his people to look after. On the other hand I can't understand American patriotism either, its just a country amongst the many.

 

[Goldiegirl]

Yes it's the government, but sadly we innocent civilians are targeted by cowardly terrorists.

 

[Haruspex]

Yes it's the government, but sadly we innocent civilians are targeted by cowardly terrorists.

You are saying that, but isn't the government doing all that stuff for the well being of the people? Sure they benefit from it too, but so do the people.

 

[Hezam]

Yes it's the government, but sadly we innocent civilians are targeted by cowardly terrorists

that's right ...i agree with you 100%

I as Muslim, I don't agree with the terrorists anyway ....we must stop them, if we cann't

stop them we have the right to kill them because if we did not stop them they will kill

the innocents, I agree with anyone like you Goldiegirl

Derfel : sorry I mean this era not the old era .......

 

[Haruspex]

Terrorists? Sisyphus comes to my mind, and terrorists are boulder. Kill as many as you like you will never succeed. New ones will appear.

 

[Davey]

I think the biggest threat is the miscommunication, and misunderstandings between the western world and the eastern world that makes this world a scary place so now and again.

Also as Mycernius said in his post. The king of the castle will act aggressively. Same happened to my country Holland in the past.

 

[Sarapva]

i wanna say we should not speak about the past ...
let's be friends, we have to forget the dark past
I ( Hezam ) would see the world and the people live in peace ....
best wishes

Thank you - this is the attitude we'll all need to have for world peace. There are plenty of Americans who don't agree with what their government is doing. I think we're like any other country that way. Let's all try to think of each other as one people living on one earth. "Visualize World Peace"!

 

[tokapi]

I thought the scope of the discussion was the post WW2 years. In that time, the US has not, AFAIK, colonized or conquered anyone.

U wrote .... US have never tried to colonize or steal ☝

Really,how about Okinawa

 

[Mars Man]

OK...I regret that I had to go to sleep last night, and didn't have any time to nudge the thread in the right direction. You see folks, this is what happens when we don't settle on definitions...a lot of beating around the bush in a rather sloppy and haphazard fashion.

Again, I will suggest that we define the term USA as being the general government of the United States in the 21th century. The reason this definition is most fitting is because the remaining of the title gives us the general present tense in the sense of 'World Peace as it rests at the moment or for the near future.'

What had happened up to the year 1999 end, will have no weight at all since what has happened, be it known or not, and to whatever degee of substantial knowledge that may be, cannot be changed. We have to look at the present moment...otherwise we have to alter the title of the thread, as well as the basic introduction.

I hope all will agree to this definition. If so, we then have to define a few more words, or at least put delimiters on them. Let's have a good, serious discussion, rather than just a bickering sandbox !

 

[centrajapan]

What had happened up to the year 1999 end, will have no weight at all since what has happened, be it known or not, and to whatever degee of substantial knowledge that may be, cannot be changed. We have to look at the present moment...otherwise we have to alter the title of the thread, as well as the basic introduction.

To be able to work towards world peace if that is a goal in itself then we can only learn from past mistakes therefore I think it is important that people are aware of history.

When I say US I do refer to the US government and not the average American Joe. However one should also be aware of the fact that it is the American people who elect their people to the White House.

I will never apologize for the United States of America -I don't care what the facts are

-President George Bush 1988 . Bush was demonstrating his patriotism by excusing an act of cold-blooded mass-murder by the U.S.Navy. On July 3, 1988 the U.S. Navy warship Vincennes shot down an Iranian commercial airliner. All 290 civilian people in the aircraft were killed.

 

[Mycernius]

American Joe. However one should also be aware of the fact that it is the American people who elect their people to the White House.

The hazards of a democracy, ANY democracy.

 

[Hezam]

Terrorists? Sisyphus comes to my mind, and terrorists are boulder. Kill as many as you like you will never succeed. New ones will appear.

the Terrorists appeared when america and israel fighted and began to kill the people

like palestine and afghanistan and iraq ..

so we must stop america and israel then the Terrorists will disappear ....

 

[RegDunlap]

the Terrorists appeared when america and israel fighted and began to kill the people
like palestine and afghanistan and iraq ..
so we must stop america and israel then the Terrorists will disappear ....

They appeared long before that, my friend. Look up the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, or the Salafist/ Wahabbi movement to see what I mean.

A world without the USA in it would be an anarchistic toilet. Europe has proven itself time and again to lack the willpower or strength to oppose extremism. No other country in the world has the American ability to project power, nor does any other country seem willing to step up to the plate and shoulder the mantle.

When disasters like the tsunami of a few years ago strike, who does everyone turn to for help. The EU? ASEAN?the UN? Sorry, strike three. Everyone's favourite whipping boy suddenly becomes popular again.

 

[Hezam]

They appeared long before that, my friend. Look up the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, or the Salafist/ Wahabbi movement to see what I mean.

i think you are one of America clients..

and you said (A world without the USA in it would be an anarchistic toilet) !!

i am sure if anyone read it he will think that you are israelian Jews

you must use a seemly words not like these dingy words ...

 

[RegDunlap]

i think you are one of America clients..
and you said (A world without the USA in it would be an anarchistic toilet) !!
i am sure if anyone read it he will think that you are israelian Jews
you must use a seemly words not like these dingy words ...

I'm not Israeli.
Not Jewish.
Not American.

Three strikes, you're out. Thanks for playing.

 

[Goldiegirl]

I think you can tell what countries lend themselves to peace when you look inside, and see how they are with their own people. I live in a small community with Jews, Baptists, Lutheran, Muslims, Hindu, Buddhists, Pentecostal, Atheists, and no one bombs the others houses, markets, or churches. We live in peace. We don't live in conflict every day. There has always been conflict in the Middle East, long before there was United States of America.

 

[Mars Man]

Thank you Goldiegirl chan ! You have basically added support to my proposition. It is not a matter of contries, nor even of in-.VS.out groups...it is vey much a matter of being human; period.

Before we go on, though folks, I really, really hope to push for a better response in thinking this over. What, people, do we mean by the word, 'peace?' Let's define that please.

 

[centrajapan]

Goldie Girl. There has not always been conflicts in the Middle East but still does that defend the crimes which Israel is committing on a daily basis?

 

[Haruspex]

Centrajapan my dearest friend in the most ironic meaning. You are the one who is ignorant, for you do not notice that Goldiegirl was absolutely polite, and you are shallow as well, i don't wish to leave out ignorant either, i don't know about your sense of dignity, but for certain you lack sense in the most mundane meaning.
Now listen, what takes place in Israel is not epic cleansing, its more like a civil warish thing. America does not invade peaceful, advanced countries, it doesn't invade anyone without a reason, be it however small.
As for indians and slaves you better **** for the sea wolves pillaged all the shores of Europe without exception. Another thing: America is the kinder type of occupant. Most occupations in history were way, way more cruel. And why wouldn't America give Israel arms? Isn't Israel a potential ally? I don't see a problem there.
Your question "DO you know the meaning of peace Goldie Girl?" is especially pissing me off, don't act so very socially sensitive and righteous please. No fake anger and rage if possible. You probably complain more than those people who are going through all that stuff.
You probably make a savage grimace now when hearing about Israel, but listen mate, the end doesn't always justify the means, and the means are a bit wrong atm, but Israel, the Jewish people deserve a place to call their own after those several hundreds of years. And as it always happens in history, the ones with power use it.

 

[RegDunlap]

Americans killed all the Indians and brought over slaves from Africa these days they go around carpet bombing others.

Killed all the indians? THe 2 million or so who make up the current tribalgroups may disagree with you.

As to slavery, that was done by the Europeans. With substantial help from other Africans,who saw good money to be made in selling their neighbours and war prisoners for a profit. Americans were merely the end buyer in most cases.

The problem is that Americans like to believe they are good when the majority of the world don't

Where is your evidence to support this statement, other than your own feelings?

 

[centrajapan]

As for indians and slaves you better ****

Why? This is a fact. To be able to not repeat the same mistakes one should not forget the past. The tereatment of Indians and salves was an outright crime against humanity. No?

Most occupations in history were way, way more cruel. And why wouldn't America give Israel arms? Isn't Israel a potential ally? I don't see a problem there.
Your question "DO

Most countries did not kill most of the native people and bring over slaves so I am not sure how much crueler than that you can get. Most occupants did not ethnic cleanse land cage the homeless in refugee camps. The creation of Israel and USA was an act of rape. This we should agree upon. US is giving arms to Israel so that they can keep on oppressing people. If you agree with racial discrimination than no, what US is doing is not wrong. If you don't agree with racial discrimination then what US is doing is wrong. So my dear friend Derfel. Do you support ethnic cleansing, racial discrimination? If yes, who is your favorite ethnic cleanser?

Jews can stay in Israel as long as they don't oppress non Jews.

 

[RegDunlap]

The creation of Israel was an act of the United Nations, not of rape. Nice try though.

Most refugee camps are not in Israel, AFAIK. they are in, ironically, other Arab or Muslim countries.

 

[Goldiegirl]

May I also add, that my husband is Japanese, NOT a citizen of the USA and he lives here without any discrimination. There are black families in my neighborhood, a Puerto Rican family across the street, a Hindu family from India, down the block, funny but they aren't in any jeopardy here. Yep there is crime in the USA but it's not crime based on religion, the boundaries of our country, or for the most part race. The crimes that centrajapan brings up are in the past. My family wasn't even in the USA then. So am I criminal for slavery or the the killing of the American Indians, that just doesn't make sense to the present day. No market place bombings, no suicide killers, funny but I don't feel like I live in a war zone. My husband (Buddhist) can walk our dogs through the neighborhood and talk to all the people, and no one wants to kill him because he's not American or christian, or muslim or anything else. He can just be, and that is ok here. To each is own. In many countries your whole life is dependent on what you are, and if you aren't in the ruling majority you are nothing. That's why there isn't peace or at least, tolerance.

 

[Mars Man]

Again...and how many times will I have to bring this case in point up before the body of debate...whatever may, or not may not be happening in the Middle East, is of no great concern for the argument that the USA is the largest threat to peace in our world today. This should be clear enough. It's a human thing.