Nova Vs JET Programme

instead of making a new thread, ill ask this question here....
with all the things going on with Nova, will it still be up and running in a year or two?

I dont think NOVA is going anywhere, they're huge and I'm sure they'll do what it takes to survive. They've still got the largest market share of all the Eikawas to my knowledge. Plus, they're currently expanding their children's program and re-vamping the material to be less play-oriented and more learning-oriented. Japanese parents who want their kids to get a head-start in English are a large market.

As was pointed out, NOVA is a company and not an actual school or program so the public's expectations and its image are different. It's heavily criticized and the recent bad press is going to harm it somewhat but like any company if its profiting, its okay. I don't think its falling into the red at the moment.

To answer what your question is getting at, I don't think you'll be on a plane home in 9 months because they went under.

Remember, ultimately this is your Japan experience. Whoever you go with.. the trip is what you make of it. If you're simply interested in getting over there with a decent paycheque go with NOVA. If you're interested in working in a more rural area and exchanging culture as a pillar of your experience get your degree and go with JET. But there's nothing JET offers aside from the plane ticket that you can't create for yourself under NOVA.

You can meet language exchange partners, tutor part-time, take Japanese classes, you still teach kids at NOVA (although its just NOVA material).


edit: by the way, if you're AT ALL interested in learning Japanese I'd start now. Don't waste your immersion-time studying Hiragana charts, do that here, learn some basics and then you'll have a good foundation to start with over there.
 
The problems I have heard with JET are that they 1) prefer people who will experience full culture shock,
Ridiculous and poor business strategy.
They want people who are relatively green, yes, but you can have a few years of experience. Why would they want people to experience culture SHOCK? That could be enough to send them home crying (literally), and it would serve JET not at all.

Someone I know from another forum used to work on JET and is now a JET interviewer. He says they are looking more and more for people with teaching experience, too.
 
Ridiculous and poor business strategy.
Doesn't matter - JET is not a business, its a government program.
What they want is not teachers, but something like "cultural ambassadors", or at least that was the hype I got from talking to JETs.
 
They want people to fill (mostly) the slots of ALTs. Ask a large number of JTEs what they think of these foreign ALTs and the fact that they have to work together. Many will say they hate it because the foreigners have no training in teaching. Yet, JET puts them in a quasi-teaching slot with little requirements for teacher experience. If they truly want them to serve as ambassadors, they'd pick them and train them better.

JET is not a business, true, but it operates the same as one by cooperating with CLAIR and the BOEs to provide warm bodies like a dispatch agency (some of which have made deals with BOEs to replace JET ALTs (e.g., Kanagawa). It sponsors visas and pays salaries. It advertises for such. And, schools (or BOEs) that get the ALTs get money for it as well. So, to say that JET advertises for ALTs that they hope will experience "full culture shock" is not a good way to think of succeeding in this business/program.
 
If you apply for ALT, it's probably not good to flaunt your Japanese language skills, especially during the interview. I think your point 1) is really true. They (the program and perhaps the Japanese teachers themselves) apparently don't want fluent Japanese speakers. In fact, if you speak no Japanese, it's probably gonna be better.
You'd probably be rejected even by NOVA for flaunting your Japanese skills. :-) Which I can understand in a way cause it is strictly off limits on school premises and in no way relates to how much the applicant can sell, teach, do for THEM. Besides implying you are savvy enough to be out in the street in a few months with a NOVA visa looking for a much sweeter deal. Not that they can do much about it once you're there (besides making a schedule impossible to set up Japanese classes).

My language skills are already more than adequate, though, which may be why the freedom to simply be in the country practicing, without having to attend to a lot of set up detail sounds so enticing. If only I can conjure up another set of reasons for the application and interview process then have the luck to land a good place (or be granted a transfer) without the bull_**** company politics NOVA is so renowned for. :eek::?
 
hello,
I've recently returned from Japan, I was there for one year with NOVA Group.
One years worth of experiences is extremely valuable. Thank you so much for sharing it with us in so much candor and detail. I'm wondering, though, did you see any instructors that were long-termers (even lifers...) in the system ? Which in the case of NOVA is like anyone over three years employment. Or anyone over say 35-40, for that matter ? It sounds like a great time for that individual that missed out on all those college party experiences when they were still a student :-)
 
One years worth of experiences is extremely valuable. Thank you so much for sharing it with us in so much candor and detail. I'm wondering, though, did you see any instructors that were long-termers (even lifers...) in the system ? Which in the case of NOVA is like anyone over three years employment. Or anyone over say 35-40, for that matter ? It sounds like a great time for that individual that missed out on all those college party experiences when they were still a student :-)

Hiya,

Thanks for your kind words. One year went by quickly, it sure was valuable but I don't feel like it was nearly enough, so much to see and do in Japan and the job really does cut into your time. I know I barely scratched the surface over there. But thats life, work always gets in the way :)

There definitely were a few lifers over there, and at orientation I did see some new people who were, how could I put it, 窶扼ツ湘」ツ人. Most of the people you'd meet in that category would on average probably not be teachers, however. There are a few, but many of the lifers are in advanced positions such as Block Trainer, Area Manager, at least AT or other assorted important sounding titles. There are some lifers who are just regular teachers, if you ask them why they'd probably say that, with the yearly bonuses, being a teacher is the perfect balance of salary and responsibility for them long term. The promotions often carry heavier workloads with a disproportional increase in salary from what I understand. All these people had around 3-7 years under their belts. Most of them to my understanding had Japanese spouses, spoke fairly good Japanese, they were in their element. One exception was an individual I mentioned in another post who was pretty clueless and a bit of a floater, kind of came over one year and never figured out either what he was doing there or what his exit strategy was, and there he was 7 years later. Again, just my experience in my block, the areas and regions are too broad across Japan to generalize accurately.

The next category down would be those who had been there perhaps 1-3 years. Many I met genuinely enjoyed their time there but were also looking for ways out, considering Masters Degrees over the internet, looking into alternative employment if their Japanese was good enough, etc. or had a pull-out date set. Their ages ranged widely. Many were AT's (branch leaders).

Then there are your basic NOVA teachers, ranging in age from 21 - 30 on average. Many fresh graduates. Most I met were newly arrived like myself, or working on their 2nd year at most. As my contract came to an end I definitely felt like staying, and had it not been for some financial and logistical considerations back home (vehicle in storage, accounts frozen, everything set up in advance for only 1 year of hibernation mode) I would have stayed. Nearly all my friends who had I'd arrived with at approximately the same time last year ended up re-signing. NOVA gives you the option of extending your contract by 3, 6, 9 or 12 months upon a satisfactory rating and completion of the first year. Like I said, a year flies by and life's good over there, there's really no reason not to re-sign if you're enjoying yourself and many choose to extend.

So there's a very rough cross-section of the people over there. I suspect the number of individuals in the 窶扼ツ湘」ツ人 category you'd meet as regular day to day teachers would be low, most would be upper level. Most of your immediate co-workers would be bright-eyed bushy-tailed graduates or those mid 20's 1-3 year people at the most. All that being said, if your intention is to just get over there easily, visa in-hand, accomodations set up, and make your own 'Japan' experience for yourself on your own, NOVA is the easiest way to go. However, in Tokyo anyway, if I had to liken the ages and attitudes to something I would liken it slightly to dorm life.

I'll add, if your intention is to become a lifer or you anticipate this, from what I observed of the advancement structure, it moves as follows. If you're rated high on your evaluations and want the added responsibility, you'll gradually be given titles like 'kids leader' or 'voice co-ordinator' or something. This just amounts to organizing materials, keeping the voice room or kids classes running smoothly and providing help to other teachers, etc. You can swing that after your 6-month observation perhaps. From there you can become AT and run your own branch within a year, and at that point you may start grooming yourself for Block Trainer, a position where you're responsibile for doing those aforementioned evaluations and whatnot for all the instructors and AT's at several branches within your block. All that takes about 2-4 years to do depending on area size and demand. Because of the high turn-over rate of Eikaiwa teachers anyone who demonstrates the committment is usually encouraged and helped along. Any teacher who's fairly responsible and well-received by their AT is usually approached to become some kind of leader or co-ordinator at some point.

I write really long posts :p :p :p
 
The promotions often carry heavier workloads with a disproportional increase in salary from what I understand.

I agree. From my experience with AEON there are no real "lifers" per se within that company as a branch school teacher. 1-3 years accounts for the majority with 5 to 10 being extremely rare. AEON's employment contract has a stipulation that states teachers who stay each additional year past their initial employment gain a ツ??0000 increase to their monthly salary (at least this was my case working as an ET). Not bad really, it adds up in the long run I suppose. Unfortunately I know of many cases where the company came up with a convenient excuse to let go of many teachers who had been in-country for sometime despite their sales numbers and popularity after a few years. It simply became more profitable to hire someone fresh off the boat.
 
I noticed JET's cut-off age is 40. Looks like older potential teachers are out of luck with them.
 
I noticed JET's cut-off age is 40. Looks like older potential teachers are out of luck with them.
There are exceptions to that, too. Case by case. In fact, when I interviewed with JET a few years ago, the JET advisor there said she wished there were more of us older types that were interested. Life experience can be a valuable thing, not just to impose certain wisdom on students, but for the sake of maturity in dealing with the situation of working.
 
THE BAD:
1) the rent is higher than it needs to be, 2) the work environment is sales-oriented and not learning-oriented, sometimes unprofessional, and can frustrate you and your students 3) the schedules don't lend themselves to alot of quality free time like they used to. 4) Teacher/student meetings and parties are prohibited.
The critical issue I think for me would be #2. In other words, being pressured by a sales staff that was shady at best and immoral to illegal at worst. Having to learn elaborate maneuvers designed to bully, disrespect and outright lie to students into signing up for large numbers of points under false pretenses and then making it difficult for them to get their money back.

Pulling a fast one on the students is something I realize a lot of instructors have a problem with and I'm not saying it goes on to the same extent at all branches because I obviously am not in a position to make those accusations.

Hopefully NOVA group business practices truly do show some reform with the recent court decisions and government crackdowns. It is a duty I could carry out as part of the job, but it would definately take some adjustment time.
 
Hopefully NOVA group business practices truly do show some reform with the recent court decisions and government crackdowns
I for one doubt NOVA will change, they fought this tooth and nail for a number of years now.

I think they will just find another "system" that works out to their benefit.
 
The critical issue I think for me would be #2. In other words, being pressured by a sales staff that was shady at best and immoral to illegal at worst. Having to learn elaborate maneuvers designed to bully, disrespect and outright lie to students into signing up for large numbers of points under false pretenses and then making it difficult for them to get their money back.
Pulling a fast one on the students is something I realize a lot of instructors have a problem with and I'm not saying it goes on to the same extent at all branches because I obviously am not in a position to make those accusations.
Hopefully NOVA group business practices truly do show some reform with the recent court decisions and government crackdowns. It is a duty I could carry out as part of the job, but it would definately take some adjustment time.

Well the bullying and selling is done by the staff, thats all cash money business..you just present the trial lesson. In reality you don't have to pull a fast one on anyone really. To clarify, I think the most tangible form you'll encounter of what you're wanting to avoid would be being told to blindly support, encourage and gloss-over the students mistakes when what some of them really need is a good shake by the shoulders and a gentle nudge (shove) in the right direction. Keeping the students and especially the children happy whether they're learning or not is the key for the J-staff as we call them. Happy students buy more points.

Personally, since I knew they wouldn't fire me and I worked at a relatively small branch and saw the students often, I told the students precisely when they were wrong and how. Tactfully of course, but I didn't engage in any 'Well that was just GREAT, but shall we try another way to say it??' because it wasn't great, it was wrong, unnatural sounding and it needed changing, period. Its just not realistic to expect them to improve without a little conditioning, a little carefully applied reward/punishment if you will. You need to explain why something sounds unnatural because the direct translation in their minds might sound perfectly reasonable. You're teaching them to think in English. And I think the students, whether they're kind of uppity and take themselves too seriously or not (which is the fear of the staff, that they'll somehow become insulted or turned off), will ultimately appreciate your teaching if they perceive it to actually be teaching and not patting on the head.

Classroom dynamics are going to be under your control so your skill as a teacher will be the final word as far as what they learn is concerned. Getting them to learn however does NOT require you to coddle them though, no matter what the staff say. If you're a good teacher they'll improve and trust your methodology.

I think the biggest sell-out is for teachers to view the students as sheep and assume that the NOVA method is all they need to worry about teaching. Listen repeat, listen repeat, now lets try a roleplay, etc etc. The LMP (I forget what that stands for but its the teacher guide basically) is just that, a guideline, its up to you as teacher to flesh it out, personalize it, change it, make it applicable and relevant, etc. From there you have a lot of latitude as to what you can present to your students so in that way I personally didn't feel so frustrated by the NOVA effect. But the possibility is definitely there.
 
I for one doubt NOVA will change, they fought this tooth and nail for a number of years now.
I think they will just find another "system" that works out to their benefit.
Such is business unfortunately. I think NOVA or Aeon or Berlitz or whatever can be okay if you're not a beginner and just need a place to practice from time to time, I think the real loss concerns those individuals who choose to BEGIN their English study career at an Eikaiwa, any Eikaiwa. Those first steps are crucial and need closely monitored tutoring and personalized lesson plans. Eikaiwas are just not equipped to properly teach the fundamentals, therein lies the deception.
 
Eikaiwas are just not equipped to properly teach the fundamentals, therein lies the deception.

True, but as you may know they, the eikaiwas, also play on the average Japanese persons feelings of failure at not being able to speak a language that they studied on average for 6 years.

The average Japanese person fails to point the finger of blame where it belongs, at the government, for it's failure to modernize the education system where "tests" are everything.

The eikaiwas saw an opening to fill that gap, they rely on the schools systems to provide the "basics" and then the eikawas take it from there.

Neither of which actually do much to truly improve the overall English abilities of any large numbers of students. Some manage to do ok, but who has ever heard of a Japanese person actually graduating from an "eikaiwa":eek:.
 
The average Japanese person fails to point the finger of blame where it belongs, at the government...
Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

I have known people who can carry on a conversation fairly well with only public schooling. If people really want to learn how to speak in English, they will find a way. The problem in my opinion is that very few children in Junior High School or High School are motivated to learn English in the first place.

It's not until people become adults that they find some motivation, and by then the most readily available 'answer' that pops up in people's minds is the eaikaiwas.
 
Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Sure that's a major part of it too. Yet children are not taught to express their opinions or thoughts during class. The emphasis isn't on communication, so for their part, the students anyway, they are fulfilling their responsibilites that are placed on them by passing either the HS and or Univ entrance exams. They get told perhaps that communication is a goal, but I have known English teachers that told their students if you want to learn to speak English go to an Eikaiwa, because I am not going to teach that to you here in class.

I have known people who can carry on a conversation fairly well with only public schooling. If people really want to learn how to speak in English, they will find a way. The problem in my opinion is that very few children in Junior High School or High School are motivated to learn English in the first place.

It's not until people become adults that they find some motivation, and by then the most readily available 'answer' that pops up in people's minds is the eaikaiwas.

I agree, yet I think they are the exception and not the rule. I know of a few as well, sadly they are few and far between. Many like you say find their own motivation, from either within themselves or from some outside source. I give them a ton of credit as well.
 
Well I wouldn't go so far as to state that Eikaiwas somehow prey on the Japanese, you can only extend that logic as far as you'd accuse other companies of preying on other insecurities, and this you could not confine to Japan either. Cosmestic companies and clothing companies are far more viscious towards young women in America, for example. I think at best, we could say the Eikaiwas saw a niche and took it.

The reason most Japanese teachers probably won't teach conversation in class is because they simply cant. I've met two English teachers in Japanese bars and their English was passable but definitely not suited to teach anyone to 'think in English' or hold a conversation. But I'm sure they'd know much more grammar trivia than me. Learning Spanish in American schools or French here in Canadian schools, actually at my highschool we had options for Italian and Latin as well.. it's all the same. Start with the basics, alphabet, grammar, reading and writing exercises, etc. Although speaking is difficult many Japanese students at even beginner levels are decent readers, have excellent penmanship, etc. I think thats definitely worth something. As was pointed out, many students are quite capable of holding a small conversation before they even arrive at an Eikaiwa, I can attest to the fact that we level checked far more low level 6's and 5's than we did beginners. In NOVA that means they're able to create structures like.. 'I like such and such because its this. I sometimes do such and such.' Pretty good abilities suitable for just talking about their every day activities.
 
Okay so there is NOVA and JET, are these the only two companies that do mass teacher employment or is that it?
 
Okay so there is NOVA and JET, are these the only two companies that do mass teacher employment or is that it?

JET is not a company!!! :mad:

Apart from NOVA there are plenty of other Eikaiwa like GEOS, Gaba, Aeon etc who are more or less the same. Then there is ALT hiring companies like Interac where you do work similar to what a JET would do.

Lots and lots of small companies in-between.
 
The reason most Japanese teachers probably won't teach conversation in class is because they simply cant.
True in many / most cases, but the main reason is that students don't NEED spoken English. They are taught English in JHS and SHS only to pass the stupid college entrance exams.
 
True in many / most cases, but the main reason is that students don't NEED spoken English. They are taught English in JHS and SHS only to pass the stupid college entrance exams.

Hence the reason why eikaiwa's exist in the first place.
 
I think NOVA or Aeon or Berlitz or whatever can be okay if you're not a beginner and just need a place to practice from time to time, I think the real loss concerns those individuals who choose to BEGIN their English study career at an Eikaiwa, any Eikaiwa. Those first steps are crucial and need closely monitored tutoring and personalized lesson plans. Eikaiwas are just not equipped to properly teach the fundamentals, therein lies the deception.

I disagree actually. From my experience as an AEON ET the best teachers weren't the native speakers but in fact the native Japanese who were teaching the first three beginning levels. I had the opportunity to work at seventeen different branch schools in my time there and hands down the Japanese worked harder, prepped harder, showed a more genuine interest in their student's progress, and generally went above and beyond the stipulations of their work to help their students improve. This works up until about the high beginner/low intermediate level. From that point students switch over to the native speaker classes but most foreigners employed as branch teachers don't share the same amount of zeal towards helping students to progress in the classroom as their Japanese counterparts. Frustration starts to set in and this breeds eventual dissatisfaction but that's another can of worms... A great majority of both my past and present students got their foundations from big eikawa. Then again, that's just my experience with AEON.
 
I disagree actually. From my experience as an AEON ET the best teachers weren't the native speakers but in fact the native Japanese who were teaching the first three beginning levels. I had the opportunity to work at seventeen different branch schools in my time there and hands down the Japanese worked harder, prepped harder, showed a more genuine interest in their student's progress, and generally went above and beyond the stipulations of their work to help their students improve. This works up until about the high beginner/low intermediate level. From that point students switch over to the native speaker classes but most foreigners employed as branch teachers don't share the same amount of zeal towards helping students to progress in the classroom as their Japanese counterparts.

I was unaware that Aeon employed native Japanese speakers, it was my (incorrect) assumption that the foundation of any Eikaiwa was that they employed ONLY native speakers, I guess to remain competitive commercially or something. I think NOVA could definitely benefit from what Aeon does, it would bring the beginner students up to speed much quicker.

I think we are in agreement actually. As you noted, at Aeon the beginner students receive their initial lessons from native Japanese speakers, so the level of communication ability and interaction between teacher/student would be very high. I definitely think this is a necessity in the early stages. Later on in the higher levels the students began to plateau because they weren't receiving the same quantity or quality of information when having their questions answered. The problem I was highlighting as far as NOVA goes, is that this same communication barrier is present from the very beginning. The first level of NOVA (7c) is usually alot of one word answers, picture-drawing, nervous students, etc. I don't know if this is the way to go, Aeon's method sounds more beneficial, a combination of private tutoring and Eikaiwa atmosphere to get the ball rolling.
 
The problem I was highlighting as far as NOVA goes, is that this same communication barrier is present from the very beginning. The first level of NOVA (7c) is usually alot of one word answers, picture-drawing, nervous students, etc.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I assumed NOVA had a similar system as AEON's in place but I was unaware as well that they threw the beginners in with the native speakers. I can imagine the low comprehension level coupled with the stress/frustrations of not being able to ask a question articulately or understand the answer given. I must give credit to AEON in that regard I suppose. The Japanese teachers I met (most) certainly made an effort to help their students overcome any difficulties along the way.
 
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