Multicultral society

Multicultral society for or against

  • for

    Votes: 24 52.2%
  • against

    Votes: 12 26.1%
  • not sure/don't mind

    Votes: 10 21.7%

  • Total voters
    46
I'm half-way, but I'm against countries being "too" multi-cultural. The point (atleast for me) of enjoying a foreign country is the differences, and the good and bad of that country. In places like London (Brent, etc) where there are like, 3 fully English people, they've lost their own cultural significance, and the place is just a mix of everything in one area. While it's nice to have a mixed society, with people from all over with their ideas and experiences, having too many will make a place lose what was originally theirs (cryptic I know, sorry, haha).
 
The point (atleast for me) of enjoying a foreign country is the differences, and the good and bad of that country.

they've lost their own cultural significance, and the place is just a mix of everything in one area.

having too many will make a place lose what was originally theirs (cryptic I know, sorry, haha).


In the states this is sometimes blamed on the corporatization of everything.
McDonalds popping up every other block.
Every single town having the same shopping center.

I've heard stories of people from the US saying when they used to travel, just inside the US, it seemed like different parts of the country would have a different flavor. But now, they complain, it is the same everywhere.
~that is not a story from me. i am too young for that. it's always been corporate chain stores everywhere~
 
AAAAHHHH!!!!
Am i becoming a mini-Faux news?

In the video "Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism"
they cover that extensively.
"some would say...." x 50k

"The people in this book _____ might say different"
is a better sentance.
Oh yes, that is in Outfoxed... that's a pretty great documentary, until you realise that we're living in a world with that sort of Journalism... I think that sort of phraseology is also called "weasel words" on Wikipedia, in their guidelines for writing unbiased entries.

Anyways. If the percentages of the population in Japan are any indication, Japan seems to be a mono-cultural society--- There is however apparently enough of foreign element in Japan for there to be a dialogue about it from time to time... The foreign element is always seen as 'dangerous' regardless of what percentage of the population it represents, or its own innocence in actually commiting any sort of crime.

I think basically what you've stated is true--- that the idea of a homogenous culture is more important than the actual numbers... It's very much like 1984... If they keep repeating it, the people believe it... By erasing the identities of Koreans and Chinese they're doing the same sort of work as the Ministry of Truth. They are fictionalising their own nation in order to strengthen its unity, while at the same time fostering a deep ignorance of the grown up world of having to relate with people who may be from a different island than you.
 
I'm against countries being "too" multi-cultural.While it's nice to have a mixed society,having too many will make a place lose what was originally theirs.


I hear you,that's exactly what has happened here in California with over 100 worldwide nationalities living in a three-ring circus.:(


It's utterly stupid and quite comical to think in reality we're living with peoples you never would visit their home country,and they're now possibly your neighbors,co-workers,classmates,you run into them where ever you go in many places through out the USA blah blah blah.:(


Most of us don't really like living with each other,no one dares say it openly in fear of being label as " racist ".A personal friend ( Asian ) of mine once angrily bitched out at my presence,America has TOO many different races and ethnicities.:(


We purchased 41 acres of bare land in Colorado's central-southeast region near the Rockie Mountains 2 years ago,plan on building a modest home there for our little escape ( retreat ).:-)
 
I hear you,that's exactly what has happened here in California with over 100 worldwide nationalities living in a three-ring circus.:(

Would the phrase or phenomena "culture clash" describe this?
But instead of just adapting to one culture, say moving to Japan,
it is many fold.

To me being from a relatively homogenous area it seems really boring and same here.

It's utterly stupid and quite comical to think in reality we're living with peoples you never would visit their home country,and they're now possibly your neighbors,co-workers,classmates,you run into them where ever you go in many places through out the USA

The result of empire?
"They are over 'here', because we (actually the gov't) was over 'there' "
 
Yes to a multicultural society as long as everyone follows the laws and is treated equally by the law (of his/her country). Plus keep religion out of the government. To me that seems to be the biggest problem with a multicultural society. People think their religion is their government. Separation of church and state makes a country more stable...and least thats how I feel.
 
Would the phrase or phenomena "culture clash" describe this ?


In all honesty,majority of us basically suppress how we truly feel about other kinds living in a " superficial " multi-racial California and across the USA.
 
To me being from a relatively homogenous area it seems really boring and same here.

The result of empire ? " They are over 'here', because we (actually the gov't) was over 'there' "


I am in dire pursue for such living environment,it's a breeze of fresh air surely.

Of-course,I came to this conclusion some years ago otherwise doors wouldn't have been widely swung open to millions.US troops over there around the globe guarding US interests,peoples from those US militarily dominated nations are here.
 
Multi-culturalism is a vague term. I think alot of people don't really know what it is. When people first hear the term they automatically assume that they're "forced" to like another culture. The same is true for the word diversity.

Although I do think there are conflicts with multi-culturalism. But lets examine a few things, do you feel that there should be support for underrepresented groups who are in politics? That is one element of multi-culturalism.
 
But lets examine a few things, do you feel that there should be support for underrepresented groups who are in politics? That is one element of multi-culturalism.


Somethings got to be done.

The current system doesn't do much for minority opinions of any kind at all.
If, say electoral politics - an election, were split 3 ways, 35%, 33%, & 32%, then that 35% wins and the rest get no say. So that means 65% do not
get to have input.
Or, more real world to our situation, about 50% of the eligible voters usually vote. 2 major parties. One wins half of that for a majority. That means about 25% of the population gets represented. The real is worse than the hypothetical.


That's about the same % of people that were considered people when the constitution was first written. Women, non-whites, non-property holders were not considered persons. oh, did i mention gays? They were given no say in writing the constitution (that is acknowledged). Later they were thrown a vote.



Today it is basically the same people that run things, mostly men, mostly white, and almost completely corporate. Hey, corporations are people too!
"hold on to your dignity" for this one:
http://www.poclad.org/images/illustrations/black_quote.jpg




We could hold a constitutional congress and write a new constitution; one that is more fair. There's been only 2 in US history so far, but even 'the system' says you can push reset.
We've (i've) just got to avoid prime time television (or all tele?)
We could look to some of the constitutions written by countries that were written after 'ours' to get new ideas. (really 'theirs'. it is their system. while i am a straight white male, i am not a property holder/corporate ceo, shareholder. so i should still probably stop talking and start more listening. yadda, yadda)
 
Sukotto I think you revealed what I was talking about. 👍

Giving a voice to underrepresented groups is one element of multiculturalism. It is an ideology that allows people from distinct cultural backgrounds with equal rights and equal status. Multiculturalism would make sense for American society because we're an immigrant nation and that's why the word is applied.

But I can see flaws with it, I can understand how people are against multiculturalism because opponents of it feel that it undermines national identity and feel that allowing it is a threat to cultural heritage. But I'm in favor of it, because I feel that since we live in a society with all sorts of people from different backgrounds, we must make an effort to learn about them.
 
People should vote. If you don't vote don't complain. If you don't like the status quo become active in your party. You can't expect government(s), law(s) to change if you do nothing. Don't rely on others to make your voice heard.
 
People should vote. If you don't vote don't complain. If you don't like the status quo become active in your party. You can't expect government(s), law(s) to change if you do nothing. Don't rely on others to make your voice heard.


Yes that's true, but like I said there are still alot of underrepresented groups. Certian parties don't make the efffort to reach out to certian ethnic groups. It's not that simple to say "oh well just go and vote and things will change," because it takes more than that. I know this because I'm a minority, and within my community there is alot of pessimism.
 
I understand completely that voting doesn't necessarily get you what you want, but it does get you noticed. People are so lazy about voting. If everyone voted our government in the US would be more diverse. It's about getting minorities to vote, to understand if they all joined together they could make a difference. It's the apathy of letting the 'other guy' do it for me that makes our whole system of voting unbalanced. Stand up and be counted...it can only make you a winner...if not for your cause then just as an American doing your duty as a citizen.
 
I understand completely that voting doesn't necessarily get you what you want, but it does get you noticed. People are so lazy about voting. If everyone voted our government in the US would be more diverse. It's about getting minorities to vote, to understand if they all joined together they could make a difference. It's the apathy of letting the 'other guy' do it for me that makes our whole system of voting unbalanced. Stand up and be counted...it can only make you a winner...if not for your cause then just as an American doing your duty as a citizen.

"if voting ever changed anything, they'd make it illegal" ha!

I disagree that if you don't vote don't complain.
Voting is only one way to participate.
It is not the end all and be all of democracy or society.

Besides $ is what controls everything.
Corporations rule the world, and america definately.
Both major parties are parties of the corporations.

The corporation is a legal construct and basically reproduces
the culture moors and values of those that run it.
The very structure in and of itself.
It is basically the culture of the founders of the US
re-institutionalized in a legal 'private' structure.
(and actually it goes to before the founding of the US to kings)
But still a very Euro- institution.
Very non-multi-cultural.
The structure itself has its base from one culture.
The first ones were institutions of Euro-kings to extract wealth in his name.

So, both major parties wish to continue to reproduce
this sort of societal arrangement & culture.
Thus $ is a key factor in keeping the electoral political
system in their hands.
When you vote, you vote for accepted choices of $;
the corporations that give so much $ to usually both parties.

Voting is only one way to participate.
Besides electoral politics,

How else can we work towards a multi-cultural democracy?


Sorry if that sounds kind of out there.
But it kind of looks that way to me.
 
you can write in anyone of your choosing on the ballot. as for the rest HUH? Maybe I am just tired...
 
No. Sorry.

My fault. An old obsession with corporations.

"Multinational Monitor" might be a good place to start.
The "poclad" link above to the cartoon might be another.


Hurray for multi-culturalism!
Sugoi!
Nihongo suki desu yo!
 
Keep in mind when discussing multiculturalism, we're not only talking about race. 😌
 
Yes that's true, but like I said there are still alot of underrepresented groups. Certian parties don't make the efffort to reach out to certian ethnic groups.
As close as elections are becoming here, I'm sure any group that votes in large numbers and is seen as competitive even without the money will stir a lot of politician's interest. Minorities may have a negative attitude towards voting if they believe the system is rigged against them or all votes are not counted fairly but that's getting further afield from the original question...😊
 
I love the mix of ethnicities and cultures in California. I love the people. I love the food. I love the festivals and art and holidays. I'm Japanese-European American. My wife is Mexican and Creole. I have friends from every continent on the planet and we get along famously. I see no reason to complain.
 
Life isn't fair. The fair's in Pomona.*
[*Los Angeles County]


ha!



But
doesn't the whole concept of "justice" (which the US system is supposedly supposed to be based upon) sort of imply "fairness"?
Or maybe that's what "justice" is supposed to mean.

and not just, those that broke the law got caught and received a guilty
verdict that resulted in x punishment. Thus "justice was served".

The classic example of "helping the slave escape".
That was once illegal in the US. Those that helped them escape, if
caught could be fined or jailed or whatever. If found guilty, wouldn't we
presume the person who "owned" the slave might say something like,
"justice was served today".

But of course we now look back at this in utter disgust and disdain.
And recognize that it was not "justice" that was served
in that type of case, and certainly not "fairness".


Or maybe the entire US system is unfair,
and thus unjust.
 
Justice was served at that time. Our ideas of justice and equality have changed. We can't judge the past by todays standards. Anyway I am sure this is slightly off topic. But to mulitculturalsim I still say Yay!!
 
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