And I know I'm not the only woman who tries to bear with things just to avoid an even more embarrassing fuss.
Why won't you just explain to me why not?
I'd like you to think very carefully before brushing off my words as a lie. For one: why should I invent such an embarrassing story instead of being glad it didn't really happen? Simple. I didn't invent it.
Also: by dismissing my story as a lie, you are helping sexual offenders to get their way. People reading your reply may choose to believe you rather than me, and by doing so, believe that those 2 individuals are harmless, get involved with them and end up raped.
In other words: you are currently helping rapists by denying their actions. You are no better than them
Not rape that's for sure, That is if this ever happened as well. Let's look at your story......The only reason one of them didn't just rape me then and there, was my impressive size combined with a sudden punch on his nose.
Worried about getting a date rape drug in your drink. Why the suspicion? You admittedly joined them for "small talk". Something sounds pretty fishy here to me.Their immense disrespect had already begun. Date-rape drugs at the cost of the date's life, ey? I guessed that was their plan and kept declining, though I would survive a beer or 2.
So shorty was a pain. After what I thought was some innocent dancing, he grabbed hold of my hands and started getting to a point I don't wish to describe here, let's say his pelvis got too close and too pushy to mine and at some point, he put his slobbery mouth on mine and when I pushed him away for that, he seemed to accept that I didn't want to kiss - and immediately tried again.
As for the longish piece of bare flesh at hip height, given his 2 hands were already busy groping me, I need not name it. Yes, in the middle of the dancehall.
At some point, a special guest got on stage and I snapped out of my paralysis that sets in everytime I'm extremely embarrassed. I grabbed Shorty and wacked him on the face. An anecdote not only I would remember
Back to the point of racism, if you werent or didnt have racist tendencies there would have been no reason to add this little anecdote here.After the party was over, those 2 followed me, trying to grope me and explaining their behavior, I quote: "Listen! We're African!". This excuse for sexual harrassment is an enormous offence to any decent African person because it makes it look like Africans are naturals at it.
Bullshit, I even tuned it down.Next there is a huge difference between a couple of guys groping with a willing participant on a dance floor to a rape. You have tried and convicted two men that are guilty of what?
If this happened I think you spiced it up to make it sound like more than what happened. What I think it sounds like is a scorned woman who couldnt tell a guy what she wanted clearly. If you are so "impressive" I can not believe you allowed this event to occur.
Maybe because I had some bad experiences concerning the outcome of "smalltalk" so I was on guard?Worried about getting a date rape drug in your drink. Why the suspicion? You admittedly joined them for "small talk". Something sounds pretty fishy here to me.
First off, I continued because I was still able to decide for myself whether or not I wanted a drink and as long as they kept their hands home and were unable to treat me to drinks, I felt I had it under control. And as you said, I was hoping that as foreigners in Japan, they'd behave in front of all those people. The tall one did, but the short one didn't, which was probably also due to the darkness on the dancefloor and the fact we were in a small corner most of the time? And also, I continued to talk to them because no matter where I went in that club to be alone, they kept showing up. And since we were already being stared at as the "foreign gathering", I tried to keep the volume low by not screaming "**** off" or something.Why after the drink episode did you continue to converse with these guys? If you were so concerned about your safety why did you go on to the dance floor for an innocent dance? Mmmm....
Plus the idea of a guy wacking off in a crowd of people, particularly if he was a foreigner here in Japan, and having others in the crowd seeing it and noone doing anything about it sounds ludicrous at best.
You are, again, lying (=compromising your value as a human being) by saying I claimed to have been raped which would be something I'd never talk about even to my dog. I was HARRASSED which is one step away. I stayed there because I'm not likely to run home crying after ANYTHING and because I came all the way to Japan for that ONE person at that ONE party. Leaving would have made a few thousand euro in vain.You snapped out of it yet you still stayed there evidently not thinking that things were so "bad" that you were violated and raped at a club in public in the middle of a dance floor. That you wait 6 months later to share the details of this event? You also stuck around till the end of the party?
Must be due to your impressive size and punch in the nose.
Oh I see. If I'd posted an anecdote about 2 Japanese people in Japan doing this, it'd been fine, but if the culprits happen to be Nigerian, I'm a racist for bringing their deeds to attention? I posted this anecdote because I felt like women should be warned of these 2 individuals. Where did I say "Niggers are rapists" or any other generalizing thing like that? That would be racist. But simply not sugarcoating what 2 Nigerians did, how is that racist? I would have posted this anecdote no matter what skin color the culprits had.Back to the point of racism, if you werent or didnt have racist tendencies there would have been no reason to add this little anecdote here.
ZOMG! I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!! Let's still face it that sexual harrassment is often the prequel to rape.Sexual harrassment and rape are two totally different things
LOL is that a threat? Of and for what? Sorry but you accusing me of lying and of racism, just begs of me to suspect you trying to defend those clearly dangerous men.I will let it go this time.
Nope not going to take anything back here, you supposedly willing went in with the guys, you willing talked talked with them, you willing went to the dance floor to dance with them, even after all your concerns about date rape drugs, etc etc etc.Bullshit, I even tuned it down.
I never said that any rapüe really happened, I said it was likely to happen given how far they were already going. And I demand you take the "willing" back. What makes you think I was "willing"? The fact that I was too shocked to react and kill the dude immediately?
And don't lie by saying I said I was impressive. I was talking about merely my physique in comparison to Shorty. No matter how big I am though, has it ever occurred to you that some things might just be such a shock that it takes you a while to act?
You on guard? But then you went on the dance floor and got groped? Then you...Maybe because I had some bad experiences concerning the outcome of "smalltalk" so I was on guard?
So when did you drop your guard? Something here doesn't quite add up to me. You were on your guard but got shocked? Knock, knock, anyone home?At some point, a special guest got on stage and I snapped out of my paralysis that sets in everytime I'm extremely embarrassed. I grabbed Shorty and wacked him on the face. An anecdote not only I would remember
Harrassment and rape are not one step away from each other. I dont know if you realize the difference but they are not the same.You are, again, lying (=compromising your value as a human being) by saying I claimed to have been raped which would be something I'd never talk about even to my dog. I was HARRASSED which is one step away. I stayed there because I'm not likely to run home crying after ANYTHING and because I came all the way to Japan for that ONE person at that ONE party. Leaving would have made a few thousand euro in vain.
Never said that either, it was unecessary in the first place. Doesnt matter what nationality or race the people were in the event that something like this happened.Oh I see. If I'd posted an anecdote about 2 Japanese people in Japan doing this, it'd been fine, but if the culprits happen to be Nigerian, I'm a racist for bringing their deeds to attention? I posted this anecdote because I felt like women should be warned of these 2 individuals. Where did I say "Niggers are rapists" or any other generalizing thing like that? That would be racist. But simply not sugarcoating what 2 Nigerians did, how is that racist? I would have posted this anecdote no matter what skin color the culprits had.
The following was taken from YOUR OP...One more thing. He wasn't wacking off, he just had his weener dangling from his open pants and in the dark, you couldn't see it, that's why he did it.
The wacking scene drew enough attention I think.
And "what I wrote elsewhere"? What, for saying people shouldn't take nationalities for the fun of it? Or are you accusing me of lying again, eventhough I got a life and deem it scarcely interesting to lead discussions based on untruths?
Maybe because I was starting, after hours of talk about movies and politics, to believe in some good in everyone?So when did you drop your guard? Something here doesn't quite add up to me. You were on your guard but got shocked? Knock, knock, anyone home?
As far as I know, being the same and being one step away from one-another is indeed different, or else there wouldn't be one step between those 2 things.Harrassment and rape are not one step away from each other. I dont know if you realize the difference but they are not the same.
Why do I have difficulties with racism simply because I think a nationality on a passport should fit its carrier?But you do have difficulties with racism and issues regarding race that is something you are going to have to face up to someday.
Why even bring up the "N" word here? That is racist in and of itself. Thanks for strengthing my point here about your difficulties with race.
No matter what you think, all I wanted to do was warn people of these 2 individuals. Any comment about their nationality or language skill was meant as a description to recognize them because OH MY GOD SHOOT ME I didn't remember their names or take their photo and the details I named are all I remember. It's the best I could do."How dangerous Nigerian men in general are"? No, since you are only talking about the two specific individuals. "What to do if you saw two black men with good English and poor Japanese"? I hope not since there are many black people in Tokyo who would fit that description
I thought it'd sum it up quite fittingly in case people who knew them came across this, so they'd immediately know what it's all about.Whatever the case may be, was starting a thread with the title "Warning of 2Nigerian men in Tokyo" really a good idea?
Well, that's what I tried to do. Hunting them down isn't my expectation as I know my description doesn't suffice for that. I meant it as a warning, nothing more, nothing less.Since it is not realistic for anyone to hunt down these two individuals who HAPPENED to be Nigerian, I think the best thing for you to do is simply recount your experience, and tell others to be careful.
I would basically agree, but if we deleted any descriptive part about the culprits in this case, people may not be aware of what kind of people they are if they met them.So, can we just say, "People! Be careful out there!!!" and move on? (That's all that matters here. Don't you agree?)
Why do I have difficulties with racism simply because I think a nationality on a passport should fit its carrier?
I used the N-Word to give you an exemple of what racism would look like. I don't use it in any other way than hypothetically.
Whose version of the truth?If the truth displeases you, I suggest you lock yourself up in your room and never come out again. Build up your little fantasy world of conveniences and happy pink-colored stories and dismiss anything unpleasant as a lie, but do so without involving me. Thank you.
This is a web forum, there is plenty of fiction written daily, and the manner in which you wrote your accusations here brings about plenty of doubt.I find it offending that you doubt the truth of my word as though I had nothing better to do than write fiction in a discussion board.
And yes, there are two sides, and yes I let it go (too) far, but I'd like an explanation of how it'd be "mad" to punch someone who's rubbing their open fly to your hip in arousal aka sexually harrassing you.
How is my memory convenient? Are you suggesting I hit that scum for no reason?