Verb Questions...?

[Nocturne]

I have a few questions regarding verbs:

1) Can the conjunctive form of verbs be used with の (to give reason/emotion) with the same meaning as ～のです？
Example: ペンがありますの ＝ ペンがあるのです

2) Can the conjunctive form of verbs be used with けど？
ペンがありますのけど... ＝ ペンがあるのですけど. ..

3) If verbs are the topic, do they have to be nominalised?
Example: Swimming is fun.
泳ぐのは楽しいです Or 泳ぐは楽しいです。

ありがとう！ (*^.^*)

 

[Glenn]

1) Generally no, but ペンがあるの is fine, although if it's a statement it's generally something a woman would say. Men and women both use it as a question. There was a character in ひぐらしのなく頃に who said things like では私は帰りますの, but that's not exactly a non-anime/manga (i.e., real life) way of speaking.

2) No.

3) Typically yes. But there are some exceptions, like 残るは君だけ. My advice is to stick with the nominalizers until you feel comfortable with the exceptions.

 

[Toritoribe]

I believe the conjunctive form generally refers to "ren'youkei(-masu form stem, i-form)", thus, あり for ある. ありますの, which consists of "the polite form of ある" + "the sentence final particle の", is a refined female warding no longer used in these days, as Glenn-san wrote.

 

[Nocturne]

Thank you both, I understand.

I just have another quick question slightly off topic:

What is the difference between: 暇な and 空く？ Don't they both mean 'free time'?

Example: Are you free on the weekend?
週末はひまですか？ ＝ 週末は空きますか？

And is it: 週末は空きますか？ Or 週末は空いていますか？

Thank you again

 

[Glenn]

From what I can tell, 暇 can imply boredom (i.e., nothing to do), but 空いている just means you're free. If you ask 空きますか you're asking if they will be free, and sounds like you know they are already busy and want to know if they can make time for you (as far as I can see; I've never heard it that I can recall). 空いていますか is asking if they are free.

 

[japanmoji]

We usually "omit" no when saying something like your example. Instead of "pen ga arimasuno" it can be "pen ga arimasu". as simple as that. Also, "Pen ga arunodesu" is not usually use. "arimasu" is the polite form of "aru", so you don't need to include "desu".

Furthermore, if you want to connect "kedo" , you can say "Pen ga aru kedo.." , or using "node" you can say "Pen ga aru node... "

I have a few questions regarding verbs:
1) Can the conjunctive form of verbs be used with の (to give reason/emotion) with the same meaning as ～のです？
Example: ペンがありますの ＝ ペンがあるのです
2) Can the conjunctive form of verbs be used with けど？
ペンがありますのけど... ＝ ペンがあるのですけど...
3) If verbs are the topic, do they have to be nominalised?
Example: Swimming is fun.
泳ぐのは楽しいです Or 泳ぐは楽しいです。
ありがとう！ (*^.^*)

 

[Glenn]

We usually "omit" no when saying something like your example. Instead of "pen ga arimasuno" it can be "pen ga arimasu". as simple as that. Also, "Pen ga arunodesu" is not usually use. "arimasu" is the polite form of "aru", so you don't need to include "desu".

This is confusing. Pen ga arimasu is not an omission of no, it's what the sentence is. If no were to come after it it would have a different nuance (and people don't normally say it anymore, as was mentioned above). Pen ga aru no desu and pen ga arimasu are also different.

 

[japanmoji]

This is confusing. Pen ga arimasu is not an omission of no, it's what the sentence is. If no were to come after it it would have a different nuance (and people don't normally say it anymore, as was mentioned above). Pen ga aru no desu and pen ga arimasu are also different.

Thanks for the additional explanation. Yes, I agree with that. Basically, we use "ga aru no desu" when we give emphasis.

 

[Nocturne]

Ah, I see. Thank you for clearing that up Glenn

Some more off topic questions: I have an assigment where I have to be a Japanese news reporter, reporting on the Eisa festival in Tokyo. I am going to interview some Japanese friends using the following questions (I don't really know what to ask, so I just went for general questions).
Just need to make sure they are correct:

1) よくまつりに行きますか？ Do you often go to festivals?

2) どうしてエイサーまつりが好きですか？ Why do you like the Eisa festival?

3) エイサーまつりは有名だと思いますか？ Do you think Eisa is a popular festival?

4) 昨年と比べて、今年のまつりはどうと思いますか？
Compared to last year, what do you think of this year's festival?

I don't watch Japanese news so I'm not sure if I have use Keigo anywhere..?

Thank you again

 

[Toritoribe]

You did quite well!

Just few minor corrections

1)
おまつり is more polite and appropriate.

2)
好きなんですか？ sounds more natural.

4)
どうだと思いますか？/どうですか？

 

[Nocturne]

You did quite well!
Just few minor corrections

1)
おまつり is more polite and appropriate.

2)
好きなんですか？ sounds more natural.

4)
どうだと思いますか？/どうですか？

Thank you, Toritoribe!!

I've got another small paragraph that I am going to say to close the news report. This is what I want to say:

"Every year, thousands of people come to see the festival. The streets are filled with singing and dancing throughout the day. From the beautiful costumes, energetic music and exciting performances, the Eisa festival is truly a must-see."

毎年、何千もの人々はおまつりを見てきます。 一日中、音楽とダンスあふれるまちなみが続きます。
きれいな衣装で、強力な音楽で、快活なえんぶで、エイ サーまつりは本当に一押しです。

I know there must be a lot of errors (the dictionary I'm using is giving weird & old definitions, hehe), so any help would be appreciated.

I've also tried to sound... reporter-ish, so if there is a more professional way of saything the above, please let me know.

Thank you

 

[Elizabeth]

Thank you, Toritoribe!!
I've got another small paragraph that I am going to say to close the news report. This is what I want to say:
"Every year, thousands of people come to see the festival. The streets are filled with singing and dancing throughout the day. From the beautiful costumes, energetic music and exciting performances, the Eisa festival is truly a must-see."
毎年、何千もの人々はおまつりを見てきます。

毎年、何千もの人々が お祭りを見るために集まってくるのです。

I don't have much time for more, but how about this or something similar for the first part ?


見てきます marks a going to see the festival and coming back (to where you are).

 

[undrentide]

見てきます marks a going to see the festival and coming back (to where you are).

Maybe she meant to write 見にきます?

 

[Nocturne]

Maybe she meant to write 見にきます?

Ah, sorry - I was trying to say "they come to see the festival". Thanks for the first part, Elizabeth

undrentide - Can I ask (I'm sure I've learnt this, but I can't remember), when do you use:

Conjunctive form + にします/きます
What does it mean?

Thank you both

 

[undrentide]

Ah, sorry - I was trying to say "they come to see the festival". Thanks for the first part, Elizabeth

undrentide - Can I ask (I'm sure I've learnt this, but I can't remember), when do you use:

Conjunctive form + にします/きます
What does it mean?

Thank you both

～に is often used to express the purpose.
[verb] + に 行く（行きます）／来る（来ます） : go/come to ～
e.g.
祭りを見に行く／来る： go/come to see the festival

～にする is different from the above, basically it follows noun.
When using verb, the verb needs to be nominalized using こと

[noun] + にする : decide on/settle on ~
e.g.
今度の土曜日はお祭りに行く？それとも映画に行く？
お祭りにしよう。
What shall we do next Saturday, go to the festival, or go to cinema?
Let's go to the festival!
今度の土曜日はお祭りに行くことにした。
We decided to go to the festival next Saturday.

 

[Toritoribe]

毎年、何千もの人々はおまつりを見てきます。

毎年、何千人もの人々がおまつりを見にきます。

一日中、音楽とダンスあふれるまちなみが続きます。

一日中、音楽とダンスのあふれるまちなみが続きます。

You can also say 一日中、音楽とダンスが街に/通りにあふれます.

きれいな衣装で、強力な音楽で、快活なえんぶで、エイサーまつりは本当に一押しです。

きれいな衣装で、力強[ちからづよ]い音楽で、熱狂的な演技で、エイサーまつりはまさに必見です/本当に見逃せません。

I think パフォーマンス would be more common than 演技 in these days, though.

 

[Nocturne]

毎年、何千人もの人々がおまつりを見にきます。
一日中、音楽とダンスのあふれるまちなみが続きます。
You can also say 一日中、音楽とダンスが街に/通りにあふれます.
きれいな衣装で、力強[ちからづよ]い音楽で、熱狂的な演技で、エイサーまつりはまさに必見です/本当に見逃せません。
I think パフォーマンス would be more common than 演技 in these days, though.

Thankyou undrentide, I can't believe I couldn't remember that

And thanks heaps, Toritoribe!! Just a quick question regarding statment one:
何千人もの人々がおまつりを見にきます。

Does there needs to be 2 x 人 in the sentence? Just sounds strange to say: "なんぜんひとものひとびとが..."

Thank you again all.

 

[Glenn]

That's なんぜんにん. にん is the counter for people once you get past two.

 

[Elizabeth]

Thankyou undrentide, I can't believe I couldn't remember that

And thanks heaps, Toritoribe!! Just a quick question regarding statment one:
何千人もの人々がおまつりを見にきます。

Does there needs to be 2 x 人 in the sentence? Just sounds strange to say: "なんぜんひとものひとびとが..."

Thank you again all.

My sentiments exactly Nocturne-san. I'm sure I've seen "Nan zen no hito, nan zen to iu hito" for thousands of people, even in dictionaries.

Although "Nan zen mo no hito" is a mistake, or at least more rare to me...

 

[Nocturne]

That's なんぜんにん. にん is the counter for people once you get past two.

Thank you Glenn. Ah, counters will be the death of me
Everyones help is really appreciated - I'm so glad I won't be talking jibberish on camera (笑）

 

[Nocturne]

(Not sure if I'm allowed to double post, but this another topic... Just let me know if I need to edit.)

Finishing some last minute Kanji shukudai, I've come accross some more verb questions:
1) What is the difference between: 終わる and 済む？ My book has them both listed as 'To Finish'...?

2) 写真を撮る vs. 写真を写す？
I've always heard "shashin wo toru - to take a photo". What is this 写す? The book says it's also 'to take a Photo'...?

教えて下さい :hilarious:

 

[Elizabeth]

(Not sure if I'm allowed to double post, but this another topic... Just let me know if I need to edit.)
Finishing some last minute Kanji shukudai, I've come accross some more verb questions:
1) What is the difference between: 終わる and 済む？ My book has them both listed as 'To Finish'...?
2) 写真を撮る vs. 写真を写す？
I've always heard "shashin wo toru - to take a photo". What is this 写す? The book says it's also 'to take a Photo'...?
教えて下さい

どちらも同じ意味ですが、「写真を写す」という言葉を使う人は少ないです

Is that a pre-war text book ? 写真を写す is archaic.

 

[undrentide]

どちらも同じ意味ですが、「写真を写す」という言葉を使う人は少ないです

Is that a pre-war text book ? 写真を写す is archaic.

写真を写す is still in good use, it is not archaic.
Just 写真を撮る is far more commonly used. ;-)

 

[undrentide]

1) What is the difference between: 終わる and 済む？ My book has them both listed as 'To Finish'...?

It's like to end/to finish in English, very similar in meaning.

 

[Elizabeth]

It's like to end/to finish in English, very similar in meaning.

So the simplest distinction is sort of text-bookish but all I could think of today :

Kaigi ga owatta = Meeting is over/has ended (simply finished)
Kaigi ga sunda = Meeting is over/been brought to an end/finished with/finished off/has ended (but took some effort to get there).