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Question Unusual symbol on yosegaki hinomaru flag. What might it mean?

Mikemike88

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Hi, I recently obtained this flag from another collector in the UK who also sells Japanese furniture etc as a business. As far as I understand this flag was sourced directly from Japan so is not a 'battlefield' acquired item. I recognise some of the slogans contained within the flag but what is puzzling me is what the symbol in the lower left-hand corner of the flag may mean? Also, the wording in western text beside it. I would be interested to hear your suggestions. Also, if you recognise any of the stamps, that would be great. Many thanks in advance for your assistance.



 
The design on the bottom left looks like an unusual signature, or possibly a logo... PKW doesn't bring up anything in search (it wouldn't be a person's initials so I thought it might refer to a business or organization), and the logo doesn't look familiar. The romaji seems to be a signatory "M. Obata"

The red stamps seem to be all from places on Ōmine-san, a mountain in Nara and the seat of Shugendo buddhism. The two stamps above and to either side of the hinomaru are 御朱印/goshūin, commemorative seals covered in Sanskrit calligraphy. The one on the right reads:
大峯山 Ōmine-san
頂上印 Chōjō-in (peak stamp)
龍泉寺 Ryūsenji (temple name)
 
Many thanks for the swift response and the information. Really nice to be able to place the flag geographicall. Is there anything that you see that would date the flag? Also the use of western text as a signature, is that a regular occurrence? I have one other flag with some western text but that was put on by two Germans who also signed the flag. Most likely they were representatives of a German company supplying machinery to a steelworks in Manchuria where the owner of the flag was an employee (some othe signatories of the flag were members of the board including the chairman). So a different scenario from what we have here. Thanks again for your help.
 
This is beautiful
 
For what it's worth, in German, "PKW" stands for Personenkraftwagen (automobile, passenger car).
 
For what it's worth, in German, "PKW" stands for Personenkraftwagen (automobile, passenger car).
A bit of outside the box thinking . To carry that though forward a stage further, I have a book of WW2 German map symbols (who doesn't ) that I referenced to see if perhaps there was some sort of German/Japanese crossover going on. Unfortunately nothing really came of it. Interesting suggestion though.
 

Indeed, but you mentioned a German connection for the other flag. The arrow-like symbol looked like a (German) unit insignia.

Anyhow, I hope you can solve this mystery.
 
Although I do recognise some of the slogans such as one death in service to the nation, victory assured and everlasting fortune in battle. I would be interested in finding out what else is written on the flag if that is possible please. Thank.
 
far right (next to "certain victory")
Kawasaki city

names
Tsuchiya Hayato
Kitamura Iwao
Okumura Akasaburo


Two Siddham script characters (aka "bonji"), representing Buddhist gods, oriented to the left and right of the top of the red disc.

The word "Yamato" written randomly in three places on the flag.
 
Thank you very much sir. Much appreciated .
 
Bottom right is 盡忠報国 (total loyalty for the country) which is much like the slogan in the center 一死報告 (give my one life to the country).
 
Looking at the Yamato signatures I don't think they look random. They seemed to have signed against each of the three (out of 4) main slogans on the flag. Could these have been three different people perhaps, each offering their own words of encouragemen?
 
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Also the M.O BATA. There is a gap between the O and the B but all the letters that follow after B are close together. Could it be the case that the gap is there deliberately? Could BATA be an abbreviation for battalion perhaps? Just a thought.
 
Here is another curious thing I've just come across concerning the Yamato references:
The Yamato period (大和時代, Yamato-jidai) is the period of Japanese history when the Imperial court ruled from modern-day Nara Prefecture, then known as Yamato Province. - Wikipedia
The stamps on the flag are from places on Ōmine-san which is located in Nara. Co-incidence?
 
I really don't think there is any significance in the separation of the O-bata in the name.
The use of "Yamato" next to three of the patriotic slogans doesn't feel at all significant to me. It just feels like an unusual appeal to patriotism, and therefore it is slightly suspicious.
The addressee "Tadashi-kun" (忠君) is also unsual. Tadashi is a common given name, but it would be highly unusual to address a flag using someone's given name. There are a few people in Japan who use Tadashi as a family name, but these few families are far from Nara Prefecture.

It may be a souvenir flag from that collection of shrines, that someone has tarted up to look like a WW2 flag.

These are my topline thoughts.
 
Are you equating the reference to Yamato as meaning Admiral Yamamoto or have I picked you up wrong there?
 
No, its just Yamato. Yamato is an ancient name for Japan, and it is still used in some patriotic phrases: Yamato-damashii, Yamato-danji, etc...And of course it was the name of a famous battleship.
It is just a word that evokes patriotism.
 
@NANGI Dear Sir, I posted this a couple of years ago. As you can see I had assistance from the likes of Majestic and others. However I would also greatly appreciate your thoughts on this particular flag. Many thanks in advance.
 
They're known as 'bonji' in Japanese and (梵字, ぼんじ) refers to the Sanskrit 'seed' characters (the first syllable) used in the design to represent Buddhist deities. These are often seen in the carvings on the body of a Japanese sword. Originating in India, these characters are believed to have been created by 'Brahma', the creator of all things, and have been engraved on the body of Japanese swords from the earliest times as objects of faith.
 
@Ukigumo Thank you for your response. Yes, Majestic did previously identify the bonji characters but their use as carvings on Japanese swords is new to me, so thank you for that.
 
Konnichiwa Mikemike88-san!

There are three puzzling things about this flag. One is an alphabetical signature. The name Obata is a common name in Japan. Why did Obata sign his name in the alphabet instead of kanji?

The second point is the emblem with the letters PKW on it. It is unclear what these letters or emblem mean.

The third point is the red seal stamp. Many of these are free stamps for tourists, not paid stamps for special prayers.

Considering all of the above, it's possible this flag was originally made as a souvenir for the Travel.

When they went on a trip, and they stamped the national flag with a commemorative stamp. Every time they see this flag, they can relive their travel memories.

Perhaps the only writing on this flag initially consisted of the name "Obata" and the emblem in the lower left corner.

The emblem likely represents some kind of organization, and those who participated in the trip were probably its members. And Obata may have been one of them, and perhaps the owner of this flag.

The members were later conscripted and sent off to war. Perhaps they may have added a signature or message at that time.

What was a mysterious emblem to us may have been a symbol of unity for their members.

These are merely my speculations, and I'm probably wrong. However, the more mysteries there are, the more room for imagination.

In addition, I will explain the other mysteries that are clear.

"Yamato" represents a place name. This is because the signature in the upper right corner combines a place name and a message. Therefore, it is natural to assume that the other signatures are also combinations of place names and messages.

However, the signature in the upper right corner contains the city's name, while the other signatures contain the old provincial name. What is the reason for this difference? This is probably because it's not possible to correctly write Kawasaki City using its old provincial name.

Nara Prefecture was formerly known as Yamato Province. Its territory is almost identical. However, the old Musashi Province, to which Kawasaki City belonged, was divided into three parts. The region was largely divided between Saitama Prefecture and Tokyo, with the remaining small portion incorporated into Kanagawa Prefecture. This remaining small portion is Kawasaki City.

When people hear "Yamato," they immediately think of Nara Prefecture. However, while some might think of Saitama and Tokyo when they hear "Musashi," no one would think of Kanagawa. That's probably why they've specifically written the name of the city(The old name of Kanagawa Prefecture is largely Sagami Province.)

The large kanji characters "忠君 - Chūkun" written next to the emblem are not an address, but a message. It means to be loyal to one's lord.

The stamps concentrated on the lower part of the flag are all related to temples on Mount Ōmine, and are free stamps for tourists; they have no special meaning.

However, Mount Ōmine is famous as a training ground for 修験道:Shugendō practitioners, and it may have been highly valued for its miraculous powers.

The mysterious symbols at the top of the flag are 梵字:Sanskrit characters, with the one on the right representing 不動明王:Fudo Myoo and the one on the left representing 大日如来 : Dainichi Nyorai,, maybe...

Finally, the name in the center is Okumura Matasaburo:奥村亦三郎, not Okumura Akasaburo:奥村赤三郎.

NANGI
 
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@NANGI
Greetings Sir

Wow! What a detailed and considered response .

As ever, you taking the time to consider my artefact, is greatly appreciated (as is the input from all those who offer their time and knowledge).

With regard to this particular flag what attracted me to it was purely aesthetic. There business I bought it from mainly deals with antique Japanese furniture as well as swords. There was something about the 'design' I found quite pleasing. To be honest I wasn't really sure if it was wartime or not and it kind of didn't really matter in this instance. It was more like I was purchasing a piece of art.

That being said, as with all my flags, I was keen to discover what I could about the flag content. So thank you for furthering that understanding.
 
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