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Sumo and Sad Japanese?

Foreigners in Sumo

  • A wrestler is a wrestler is a wrestler. May the best man win.

    Votes: 12 48.0%
  • Respecting established taboos, may the best man win

    Votes: 9 36.0%
  • Foreign wrestlers are nice sometimes, but hey... ya know?

    Votes: 1 4.0%
  • Sumo is Japanese and as such needs Japanese wrestlers at the top

    Votes: 3 12.0%

  • Total voters
    25

Mandylion

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Please read the article then vote in my poll.

From Aug 4th, 2003 New York Times





"Sumo is only one small world, and it has been taken over by foreigners, and Japanese people feel sad," said Hidetoshi Tanaka, 56, general secretary of the International Sumo Federation and a trustee of Nihon University in Tokyo."

>>is this the man to be incharge of anything "International?"

"The new fear is that neither the foreign wrestlers nor the rising number of foreigners in Japanese society will behave the way most Japanese traditionally do."

"The sadness has deepened with the prediction that no Japanese will become a grand champion anytime soon and with the perception that the state of sumo reflects larger, uncontrollable currents in Japan. Since restrictions on foreign wrestlers were first relaxed in 1998, their numbers have swelled to 50 of the 386 ranked wrestlers. Most are Mongolians, but the list includes wrestlers from 10 other countries."

My reaction: too bad. When someone comes into your sport, plays by your rules and beats you at your own game, the only recourse you have is to train harder. Sumo is no worse for having foreigners in the sport, nor is Japan a worse place for having 1% of the population act differently than "normal" Japanese (bad sportsmanship, like Asashoryu's, or poor manners, in general, are not limited to foreigners). I applaud the sumo governing body in their recognition of good wrestlers with promotion but it saddens me that people like Mr. Tanaka still feel sumo if worse off because of it.

In fact, I would say growing diversity makes living in Japan that much more colorful, exciting, and interesting. Hopefully the world of sumo, and, as the article implies, Japan as a whole will get over this little spat of xenophobia soon.
 
I think that you have to decide here what you actually want. Suppose you want an international sport or do you want a Japanese tradition. I personally don't know that much about sumo, but I've to admit that when I see german sumo-wrestlers on tv, they look rather strange and somehow not fitting into the picture of the german sportsman. I mean, sumo-wrestlers are respected in the Japanese society, while a german sumo wrestler would be mostly thought of as just being a fat man in Germany. It's not that way. Its sport and such, but I guess that's the german reaction to it. This doesn't mean that Germans don't know what sport is but japan and sumo is so far away that most people don't know anything about sumo and don't care about sumo.
 
Women Sumo ?

It seems women are getting into all "Men's" sports; some quite successfully. Has anyone heard of women training? Would Japan even think about a Pro tournement(sic) with a woman?

Frank
 
"My reaction: too bad. When someone comes into your sport, plays by your rules and beats you at your own game, the only recourse you have is to train harder. Sumo is no worse for having foreigners in the sport, nor is Japan a worse place for having 1% of the population act differently than "normal" Japanese (bad sportsmanship, like Asashoryu's, or poor manners in general are not limited to foreigners)."

I agree wholeheartedly. Reminds me of the rivalry that exists between Japan and Korea in the World Kendo Championships (All Japan Kendo Federation). Japan continues to dominate for the most part, yet the S. Korean men's team have really upped their game so to speak and have proven a very real threat to dethrone the Japanese team consistently over the last decade. Many in the Kendo world welcome this intense competition but like everything else, there will always a be a few vocal "purists" who fancy that "outsiders" learning the art is detrimental to the spirit of the tradition. Such an elitist attitude is pure rubbish imho (my former Kendo sensei would agree 8-p).
 
Dont want to be flamed here but when I think of Sumo I think of a Japanese tradation for Particapation of Japanese only just my .02 cents.
 
Originally posted by Mandylion
"Sumo is only one small world, and it has been taken over by foreigners, and Japanese people feel sad,"

Why don't they care about other Japanese sports like judo, karate, aikido or kendo ? The 2 first at least have long been taken over by foreigners, especially since they've become olympic disciplines. Sumo isn't yet in the olympics, right ? (I admit I have no idea, as I hardly ever watch sports on TV).

But what's the point of having competition if it's to restrict people from it because they might be too good ? My opinion is that the "sad Japanese" are the very traditional-minded, almost nationalistic type who can't bear the idea of seeing foreigners defeating their half-god sumotori. Wouldn't be suprised if the same people still believed that the emperor is a descedant of Amaterasu and Japanese people superior to other peoples on earth. That must hurt to see that Japanese can't even keep to the top of their legendary sumo once a few foreigners come in.
 
I think part of the problem is just what you hinted at Maciamo. There is so much of Shinto tied into sumo that it kind of sits on its own away from the other martial arts. There is a lot of myth and legend surrounding sumo, much of it invented in the Meiji era in a way to bring out the nationalistic spirit the modernizers needed. Other martial arts remained as they had through the Tokugawa era, something for warriors to kill time with or a road to personal development. They never had to carry the Nihonjinron thing. I think sumo now is much less tied to such Meiji constructs, but for some these ideas may have worked their way into the emotions the word "sumo" brings with it; Japanese-ness, links to the gods and all that.

I feel other martial arts, either due to their exposure or histories, have much weaker links to constructs of a unique culture and so can be accepted more readily when branches and deviations off the Japanese original appear.
 
"When I think of sumo, I think of Japanese wrestlers" and other comments like it is no different from blatant racism. Whether its tied into culture or not, that doesn't mean people of non-Japanese ethnicity can't partake in it.

The problem here (just like the gaijin "problem") is that Japanese "nationalists" want to keep most aspects of Japanese culture ethnocentric. I think their outlook is if they let too many gaijins get into it, then you'll have a situation (like basketball, baseball, and golf in America) where non-Japanese individuals are giving them "too much competition." Well that's just too damned bad.. the same way racists got over the fact that Tiger Woods can play golf just as good as everyone else, Japanese "nationalists" will get over this one..
 
As long as they stick to the rules and follow the ritualistic side of things theres nothing wrong by me. Doing sumo is a bit strict to star with isnt it?
 
If any foreign sumo wrestlers behave poorly, like Mongolian Asashouryou did recently, punish them like you would any Japanese wrestler, that's all.

Many foreignors could never deal with the harsh environment of a Sumo stable anyway. An example, Canadian John Tenta, a Greco-Roman wreslting champion, joined the Sadogadake stable and started off with like a 21-0 record but quit because he hated the living conditions.

Anyone who can stick it out should be welcomed and embraced.
 
i agree with golgo, ethnocentricity has no business in a sport or anywhere else. but sumo means a lot more too some people than just wrestling and people who wish too join said sport should respect that and act accordingly. this is not a sport for fat men too tussle, its a way of life.
 
It's quite strange as I was thinking of this same thing two days ago out of the blue. They have a bunch of guys from Hawaii making it to the top, now this guy and it made me thought, why is Japan's favorite (or not) sport having foreigners winning?
 
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