Some verb suffix
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-される is a no a true suffix but the passive form of the verb する. The passive suffix is -(r)are-ruax said:
ex: 本が出版された a book has been published
させる is the causative (to make someone do something) form of する or one form of the causative suffix -(s)ase-ru
ex: お母さんが子供を勉強させた The mother made the children study
-ております is just a special polite form for durative -ている, more formal than -ています
ex: XXX会社に勤めております I work in the XXX company
The auxiliary -切る means that the action is done completely, that nothing is left undone
ex: お金を使い切る to use all one's money
Expression of interactions is not easy in Japanese, because you have also the form in -てもらう which has also a causative-like meaning, but with the nuance that you ask for a service or a favor, which is the basic meaning of the verb もらう (ask/receive)ax said:
Here, without specifying the actor of the action (the person who washes the car), I don't think you can use the usual causative, and it's more natural to use -てもらう
Elizabeth
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Without knowing all the implications スーツをして might carry, just to be perfectly safe I would go with the standard verb make.ax said:
I had my suit made. (スーツを作ってもらいました）。
Although maybe 'suru' is alright....if you can say "・スーツを新調する" :?
(I had a new suit made).
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beluga
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There is a difference between される form of する and -される suffix.ToMach said:
される form of する is a passive form. For example, XXXに検査される which means, being checked by XXX.
勉強される
コピーされる
検討される
-される prefix is a causative passive form. For example, XXXに読まされる which means being forced by XXX to read. This is only applicable to godan verbs (verbs that does not end with いる、える and not irregular verbs like くる and する)
行かされる
泳がされる
書かされる
A more precise analysis would be to say that :beluga said:
The passive suffix is -(r)are-, which is attached to the stem of verbs.
Ex: たべられる = tabe+(r)are+ru / かかれる = kak+(r)are+ru
Stem+passive+conclusive
In traditional grammar, you say that there are 2 passive suffixes, which both attach to the mizen base in -a of verbs : られる for godan/yodan and れる for ichidan
The causative suffix is -(s)ase-
Ex: たべさせる = tabe+(s)ase+ru / かかせる = kak+(s)ase+ru
Stem+causative+conclusive
In traditional grammar you say that there are 2 causative suffixes, which both attach to the mizen base in -a of verbs : せる for godan/yodan and させる for ichidan
Going back to the causative-passive form, it is in fact for consonant verbs (traditional godan/yodan) -asare- :
よまされる = yom+asare+ru
But this form can further be analyzed as alternate causative -(s)as- + passive -(r)are-
ex: よまされる = yom+(s)as+(r)are+ru Stem+causative2+passive+conclusive
See for example よます, alternate causative form equivalent to よませる
For vowel verbs (ichidan), we clearly have causative+passive combination :
たべさせられる = tabe+(s)ase+(r)are+ru Stem+causative+passive+conclusive
beluga
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Glenn said:
I have no idea at all and I hope someone more experience here can shed some light on this too. From what I learned from school, it comes in the 2 forms you mentioned.
行かせられる（行かされる）
書かせられる（書かされる）
However, for Type I's verb that ends with su (like 話す), Type II (-iru and -eru) and Type III (irregular) verbs, it all ends with させられる
騙させられる
話させられる
食べさせられる
来させられる
させられる
CorDarei said:
If you look at the [V] link on WWWJDIC entries that form is among those automatically generated.
CorDarei said:
"読ませられる" 645 hits
"読まされる" 16,500 hits
Which was it that's 'not too common' again?
Which was it that's 'not too common' again?
epigene
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The difference stems from the cultural approach taken by the Japanese in language usage.CorDarei said:
読ます is very direct, actually too direct for use under normal conditions. It suggests, from the Japanese viewpoint, an order that is authoritarian and cannot be refused.
読ませる is also an order, but it is received as more moderate and polite.
Just for your information.
