A reaction that you will get in a great many other countries. I find it in the UK and have found it in the US and CanadaJapan tends to be passively direct about the subject. It will pop up all over on the outside in certain areas, but not really discussed unless behind doors. I've seen people shudder at any sign of it, I've seen people giggle.
It is actually quite a good way of keeping fit and their have been a few people that use it for just that, keeping fit.I've seen a 20 something housewife walk down the street with her bicycle caring a large box with a home-version of a stripping pole right through my neighborhood.
Spot on and therefore not a good example of research.Clearly there is a great deal of shock value in a documentary like this. The portrayal of Japan's over all opinion by the BBC is generalized,
Again, not a good example on documented reasearch. If opinions counted then this world would be still in the dark ages.from those I have spoken with on the subject I am consistently concerned about the LACK of knowledge on the subject of sex despite its prevalence in Japan.
Instead of saying you have spoken to researchers could you actually give us some links to research/articles rather than word of mouth?I have spoken with researchers on the subject in the past but I was very curious what members of this board think, especial those with long terms in the country.
6) just what was the whole point of bringing up the rape club video? Want to talk about it? Talk, Emoni. Offer some opinion other than the pseudo-narrative you wrote as a lead-in.
Instead of saying you have spoken to researchers could you actually give us some links to research/articles rather than word of mouth?
I'm sure there has been plenty of useful material in English! Besides, it's getting a bit boring to see no replies to direct questions. In some circles that is known as trolling.Originally Posted by Mycernius View Post
Instead of saying you have spoken to researchers could you actually give us some links to research/articles rather than word of mouth?
Emoni:
Can't, as these were just conversations and just that. During that time I didn't look up the research as I couldn't read the Japanese.
Mix the positive with the negative? Where have you shown much, if any, positive?
Is anyone else even the slightest bit irritated that Emoni has constantly refused to cite any documented evidence for the claims she had with people that have extensive experience in research on this topic? Repeated questions have asked for something more concrete, and now we get this:
I'm sure there has been plenty of useful material in English! Besides, it's getting a bit boring to see no replies to direct questions. In some circles that is known as trolling.
But, Emoni, you did not make it clear that you only wanted to discuss those videos. You wrote a very long first message and concluded in bold type with what most of us so far have perceived as your main point:I'm becoming exceedingly disappointed with the highly defensive and aggressive responses to what was simply a post discussing both videos along with personal commentary and sharing curiosity.
Many/most responders here have tried to get you to pin down the focus of such a huge topic. You refuse. As a result, where has this "discussion" gone? Not anywhere specific, and you have not helped the matter.So, my question is this: Without getting too personal, what are your thoughts, experiences, stories, and views on the issue of sex in Japan and Japanese society?
What would you say those are? Help us out here! Give an opinion or at least describe it so we know what to agree or disagree with. Otherwise, you look like an academic fishing (not trolling) for background information. In that light...The most obvious sense of "positive" is personally agreeing with the open and more prevalent aspects in the country in certain areas.
Well, then, why do you bring up the fact that you have had discussions with "researchers" (teachers and students of gender studies) if you are not prepared to bring up even the smallest point of the discussions you had? Nobody is saying you have to give out names of those people or their test subjects. Just tell us what issue you and they talked about. This statement:I've made it very clear that the conversations and experiences I have had are NOT accademic, even if my curiosity borders on such aims.
is a cop-out. Why dangle the carrot in front of us if you aren't willing to let us eat or even sniff it?Going into details about the specifics of private conversations I hesitate to do so not only for privacy reasons, but also because it was simply over years of time and to re-piece every comment would not be entirely productive.
Contradictory!Furthermore, I'm not saying Japan is profoundly unique or exclusive around the world in regards to sex.
Japanese views about sex do NOT seem the same as any country in the world at all.
Ok, so this implies that you want only people's specific experiences, one-off responses to a multitude of possible sex issues in Japan (like your example of the stripper pole, which itself generated a false idea of what you meant when you brouht it up). To what end will these individual moments scattered here and there amount?In fact, part of the point I wanted to stress while discussing the topic is that it is important not to take any generality and consider it as applicable to all in Japan or anywhere.
You know darned well why I asked for that on other threads. They started somewhere and went off in all directions aimlessly. This one has not even gone anywhere from the get-go because the focus is too broad. If you want to publicly berate me, I'd suggest moving your comments to a PM instead of cluttering your already weak thread.Next step I'm expecting is for you to ask on this thread for it to be locked like every other thread I ever started.
You're going to get debate and adversarial arguments anyway, but you need to define what to talk about first. Want to stick with the 3 videos? That's focused enough for me, but I would like you to realize something here. My last few posts provided feedback on the videos, and that in itself should have been a launching pad for you or anyone to extend this "topic". Have you responded to those comments? Nope. Why is that? This is your thread, and I paid you the courtesy of watching the links you provided. Do me the courtesy of responding to my comments. Say something to let us know what you feel, ok?I'm looking for thoughts on the subject, more sources of information, anything that anyone ELSE has run into on the "nihonjinron" of views on sex. Please stop attempting to turn this into something it is not by turning this into some sort of debate or adversarial argument.
"The West sees the Japanese as emotionless, controlled, and even sexless".
The BBC vid had an Asian narrator and a prominent Japanese sociologist giving views. Not Japanese-American. Japanese. The bondage "instructor" was Japanese. The host club was completely from a Japanese POV (lacking in many issues, but still all Japanese). The vid on the rape club had a Japanese providing most of the perspective. What western stereotype was portrayed?there is a clear "western" stereotype in the portrayal in the BBC film as well.
But not in most of Japan.I also agree that sexual morals that may conflict could be connected to religious reasons as well.
450 seniors crammed into a gym with the school nurse
but YES japanese girls are pretty damn easy....so it should not be hard to do some research for yourself...
(if that offends you then i'm sorry that the truth hurts)
for some reason alot of japanese people get so bloody offended SO easily...
Pretty bold statement coming from someone whos profile says he's never been to Japan. (If that is not the case, then please update your profile to show the truth. Also it would help if you could spell.) I guess your "expertise" with a few Japanese tourists makes you an expert? I say this based on your profile.theAlphaDuck said:WELL THIS IS MY AREA OF EXPERTISE....
but it is an iceberg of a topic.
firstly all i say is from personal experience...taken from my adventures with countless Japanese Girls....i draw no judgement or conclutions...
AS A MAN OF THE WORLD....
I have probably had more girls from more countries than everyone else on this board put together...and i will tell you this.
NO 2 COUNTRIES ARE THE SAME!!!
JAP girls like it when you throw them doen on the bed and take them...
Want firsthand experience of how sex is taught? Sorry. I don't think you'll find many sex teachers around. Sex ed, however. That's different. I saw one and only one sex ed "class" at the HS where I worked. Pretty lame stuff. 450 seniors crammed into a gym with the school nurse and a few teachers (on the side, of course), plus an outside person presenting a video (factual but not all-encompassing, and it barely elicited anything from the students). Were some students already practicing sex then? Yes. Would anyone feel comfortable asking questions in that situation? Hardly.
The BBC vid had an Asian narrator and a prominent Japanese sociologist giving views. Not Japanese-American. Japanese. The bondage "instructor" was Japanese. The host club was completely from a Japanese POV (lacking in many issues, but still all Japanese). The vid on the rape club had a Japanese providing most of the perspective. What western stereotype was portrayed?
But not in most of Japan.
Japanese adolescent sex ed. (what you probably already knew from your gender studies students and researchers)
http://www.aegis.com/news/bbc/2004/BB040726.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,978575-1,00.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/7962.php
http://www.thebody.com/content/art25142.html
So? I thought you wanted generalities and information to make comments on, based on my personal experience, not hard published data. I provided what you asked for, and now you are complaining and not even making constructive responses to extend your own thread?Thanks for the links. Japanese adolescent sex ed didn't come up too often, only a few statistics or so.
I didn't see any western tone in the latter two videos, and only partially in the BBC one. What else would you expect from the BBC video, though, even without seeing it in its entirety?What I meant by the western stereotype was actually the tone of which the video was set, and the aim of the audience basing it off the initial preconception of what the west views the Japanese... and then following that with the material they showed.